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The Post Man
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Posted - 2011.05.15 09:52:00 -
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OK so I will soon be jumping into a shiny new Vargur, and I'm wondering what hardwirings (6-10) I should opt for. Any suggestions?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.15 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Loraine Gess on 15/05/2011 10:11:37
+1% to small hybrids, +1% shield capacity, and my personal favorite, +2% to missile velocity
ZGS10, KVA500, and ZML11, respectively.
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Madam Terror
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Posted - 2011.05.15 10:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Loraine Gess
Edited by: Loraine Gess on 15/05/2011 10:11:37
+1% to small hybrids, +1% shield capacity, and my personal favorite, +2% to missile velocity
ZGS10, KVA500, and ZML11, respectively.
Oh stop trolling. 
I'm interested in hearing suggestions too.
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.05.15 10:43:00 -
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What is there to wonder about?
Anything there is with dps, tracking and cap/tank/fitting if you need it.
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B0LL0CKS
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Posted - 2011.05.15 11:42:00 -
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Squire pg8 (+5 to power o/p)
gunslinger ax-2 (+5 to tracking)
gunslinger cx-2 (+5 damage all turretc)
gunslinger lx-2 (+5 damage lrg projectile)
either zet300 (+5 Hull h/ps)
or
squire cc-8 (+5 capacitor)
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.15 11:54:00 -
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Wouldn't 5% falloff be more useful than 5% tracking? Also, I haven't ever found good reason for the extra powergrid. Wouldn't a CR8 (5% more capacitor) be more useful?
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Malema
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Posted - 2011.05.15 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Malema on 15/05/2011 12:11:10
Edited by: Malema on 15/05/2011 12:10:55
Falloff implant is much handier than the tracking implant unless you have a hard on for shooting frigs under 10km.
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B0LL0CKS
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Posted - 2011.05.15 13:05:00 -
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I use the power grid implant because i also use a paladin and you cant fit all the modules in without it (tachyons etc).
The Paladin is also the reason why i fit the tracking implant rather than the falloff, i find that the vargur has more than enough falloff as it is anyway.
I realise that the question was just referance the Vargur so yes the falloff/cap implants would be better.
o7
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.15 13:09:00 -
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You can fit a paladin just fine without a powergrid implant. Just use a navy large armor repper. Also, giving advice with respect to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SHIP is seriously unhelpful.
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B0LL0CKS
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Posted - 2011.05.15 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: B0LL0CKS on 15/05/2011 14:14:02
Edited by: B0LL0CKS on 15/05/2011 14:11:51
Originally by: Aamrr
You can fit a paladin just fine without a powergrid implant. Just use a navy large armor repper. Also, giving advice with respect to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SHIP is seriously unhelpful.
Then maybe you should have replyed instead of waiting to troll.... it seemed to be a good idea to give options and explain them rather than the normal damage/cap/armor answers.
The implants suggested work fine and can save hastle in later stages as you try to fit out differant and better ships. Its very unlikely a cap implant will be needed on the vargur (i fly one all the time, never needed it).
Sort your face out, its blank like your suggestions.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.15 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 15/05/2011 15:01:44
Given that I haven't trained skills on this character since early 2010, I haven't bothered to use the portrait editor. Khanid models look god awful, and I haven't exactly been thrilled with the customization options available to me. Not that it's any business of yours.
Excuse me for assuming the poster wanted a response relevant to a Vargur, instead of a Paladin. I suppose that the topic title might have been a bit misleading, but I'm obviously mistaken.
I suppose it's far more reasonable to assume that the original poster has trained up:
Amarr Frigate IV
Amarr Cruiser IV
Amarr Battleship V
Small Energy Turret III
Medium Energy Turret III
Large Energy Turret V
Small Beam Specialization IV
Medium Beam Specialization IV
Large Beam Specialization III
Sharpshooter V
Hull Upgrades V
Repair Systems V
...and the various armor compensation skills.
With a paladin cross train just a few months away, why wouldn't he want that powergrid implant that ship doesn't even need? He'd be crazy to use it on something like capacitor or a crystal omega. After all, we all know what how lousy EMP ammo is against Bloods and Sanshas, or how their optimal-range tracking disruption hurts autocannons more than lasers...
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B0LL0CKS
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Posted - 2011.05.15 15:19:00 -
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All true of course, however i did say that it was for the long term investment...
If your going to spend a couple of hundred isk or more on an implant then you may as well have one worthwhile, the vargur rigs come with a gun powergrid penalty which the implant may offset a bit.
A good way to check whether a cap implant is needed is to swap out a mid slot for a cap recharger and see what the differance is, i found it wasn't needed.
Since hes getting into a marauder its seemed natural that he may progress into the others and the implants would be applicable, i did and i use all the marauders except caldari.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/B0LL0CKS
Although i can't prove it since i'm unwilling to remove my pwr implant i honestly dont think you can even fit a navy repper without it and still be able to use tech 2 guns for the paladin. I maybe wrong, however then again i may not.
The suggestions i believe were good and to have someone who flames and hides behind an alt....... well why should we even listen to you...lol
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.15 15:54:00 -
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I post with this character because it comes first alphabetically and I can't be bothered with continually switching the character I'm posting with.
And yes, you CAN fit T2 guns and a faction armor repper on a Paladin -- and since AWU 5 is a prerequisite for the ship, it's not even dependent on an additional skill.
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Sergeant Failfit
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
Edited by: Aamrr on 15/05/2011 15:01:44
Given that I haven't trained skills on this character since early 2010, I haven't bothered to use the portrait editor. Khanid models look god awful, and I haven't exactly been thrilled with the customization options available to me. Not that it's any business of yours.
Excuse me for assuming the poster wanted a response relevant to a Vargur, instead of a Paladin. I suppose that the topic title might have been a bit misleading, but I'm obviously mistaken.
I suppose it's far more reasonable to assume that the original poster has trained up:
Amarr Frigate IV
Amarr Cruiser IV
Amarr Battleship V
Small Energy Turret III
Medium Energy Turret III
Large Energy Turret V
Small Beam Specialization IV
Medium Beam Specialization IV
Large Beam Specialization III
Sharpshooter V
Hull Upgrades V
Repair Systems V
...and the various armor compensation skills.
With a paladin cross train just a few months away, why wouldn't he want that powergrid implant that ship doesn't even need? He'd be crazy to use it on something like capacitor or a crystal omega. After all, we all know what how lousy EMP ammo is against Bloods and Sanshas, or how their optimal-range tracking disruption hurts autocannons more than lasers...
I might be wrong, but I think you will need the small and med energy weapons on 5 to be able to train specs ...
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:21:00 -
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Couldn't remember off hand. You're probably right. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. 
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:29:00 -
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For the vargur, assuming no crystal set, +5% falloff, +5% turret damage, +5% large projectile turret damage. That leaves slot 6 and 8 free, I recommend +5% medium projectile turret if you do any sort of pvp. I don't believe slot 6 has any turret hardwirings other than the smalls. You shouldn't need a grid/cpu implant a lvl4 running vargur but those are options if you do.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.15 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
I post with this character because it comes first alphabetically and I can't be bothered with continually switching the character I'm posting with.
Why would you have to continually switch characters to post with... unless you are using an alt to troll with?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.15 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Crabs Collector
What is there to wonder about?
Anything there is with dps, tracking and cap/tank/fitting if you need it.
This so hard. If you need more tank, you add crystals/slaves. You need capacitor, you add the related capacitor hardwirings. Otherwise, damage and tracking. Now if he was asking WHAT the appropriate hardwirings are we'd first have to smack him ('eve online hardwirings' in google produces the appropriate result), but otherwise it's a valid question because there are things like pashan's modified implants.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.15 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Aamrr
I post with this character because it comes first alphabetically and I can't be bothered with continually switching the character I'm posting with.
Why would you have to continually switch characters to post with... unless you are using an alt to troll with?
Goddamn he said he doesn't switch characters. I suppose you can't read, either?
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.15 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Aamrr
I post with this character because it comes first alphabetically and I can't be bothered with continually switching the character I'm posting with.
Why would you have to continually switch characters to post with... unless you are using an alt to troll with?
Goddamn he said he doesn't switch characters. I suppose you can't read, either?
EvE doesn't use alphabetical order to determine which character you post with and you are a fracking ****** for speaking up at all.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.05.15 23:58:00 -
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I think it does actually. Whenever I clear my cookies I have to go into forum settings and reset the default to this toon else it uses one of my cyno alts instead (cyno alt starts with a c).
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.16 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
I think it does actually. Whenever I clear my cookies I have to go into forum settings and reset the default to this toon else it uses one of my cyno alts instead (cyno alt starts with a c).
Bingo. For what it's worth, the new forums didn't have this particular problem. (On the other hand...)
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.16 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Aamrr
I post with this character because it comes first alphabetically and I can't be bothered with continually switching the character I'm posting with.
Why would you have to continually switch characters to post with... unless you are using an alt to troll with?
Goddamn he said he doesn't switch characters. I suppose you can't read, either?
EvE doesn't use alphabetical order to determine which character you post with and you are a fracking ****** for speaking up at all.
Congratulations you are wrong once again. By the way it's "****ing".
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.16 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Val''Dore on 16/05/2011 01:15:07
Originally by: King Rothgar
I think it does actually. Whenever I clear my cookies I have to go into forum settings and reset the default to this toon else it uses one of my cyno alts instead (cyno alt starts with a c).
Your cyno alt is also the newest character on your account.
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Congratulations you are wrong once again. By the way it's "****ing".
I am rarely wrong.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.16 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Congratulations you are wrong once again. By the way it's "****ing".
I am rarely wrong.
Well then this must be a really rare occasion because you were just wrong twice in a row.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.16 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Val'Dore
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Congratulations you are wrong once again. By the way it's "****ing".
I am rarely wrong.
Well then this must be a really rare occasion because you were just wrong twice in a row.
Even if I am (I'm not), it doesn't change anything. There is no need to be constantly switching characters to post on the one you want to post on. Anyone who says otherwise is a noob of the lowest calibre.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.16 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Val'Dore
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Congratulations you are wrong once again. By the way it's "****ing".
I am rarely wrong.
Well then this must be a really rare occasion because you were just wrong twice in a row.
Even if I am (I'm not), it doesn't change anything. There is no need to be constantly switching characters to post on the one you want to post on. Anyone who says otherwise is a noob of the lowest calibre.
Re-read the argument clearly.
>Aamrr says there's no reason to compare paladin to vargur (There really isn't) for implants
>B0ll0cks claims he's never even flown a paladin (ad hom argument for the win)thus his argument is invalid
>Aamrr points out that he doesn't bother to switch characters to post
>You accuse him of trolling with an alt
>I point out that you're a fool
>You're wrong
>No I'm not
>Yeah you kind of are
>Nope
>etc
>You affirm there is no need to switch characters... after claiming the guy who said he was too lazy to switch characters is a troll.
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Thleffs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.16 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Thleffs on 16/05/2011 05:44:05
I fly both Paladin and Vargur.
My implants were bought with Paladin in mind.
slot 6-"Squire" CR8
slot 7-"Gunslinger" AX-2
slot 8-"Squire" CC8
slot 9-"Gunslinger" CX-2
slot 10-"Lancer" G2-Epsilon
The only one not relevant is +5% damage to LET but it doesn't matter Vargur is doing well enough in damage department without it.
P.S. There is no need to increase PG on Paladin to fit it properly.
edit:spelling
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.16 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
>Aamrr says there's no reason to compare paladin to vargur (There really isn't) for implants
Which is entirely correct.
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>B0ll0cks claims he's never even flown a paladin (ad hom argument for the win)thus his argument is invalid
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>Aamrr points out that he doesn't bother to switch characters to post
I point out that switching characters to post is entirely unnecessary unless you post on an alt to troll with. Pick your main and leave it as default character.
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>You accuse him of trolling with an alt
That IS what posting on alts is for.
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>I point out that you're a fool
You pointed out you were a fool, actually. There is zero reason to have to keep switching character to post on these forums... unless you are trolling with an alt. I didn't directly accuse him of being a troll, but he did openly say he doesn't post with his main, of which there are only two reasons for: You don't know how to use the most basic for the forum features or you are intentionally alt posting (trolling).
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>You affirm there is no need to switch characters... after claiming the guy who said he was too lazy to switch characters is a troll.
He said he was too lazy to 'keep switching' characters. Which tells me a lot more about either his understanding of the forum or his posting habits. Thus the question I asked.
Why would you have to keep switching characters... unless you are alt troll posting?
You need to brush up on your understanding of the English language if you can't even pick up something that elementary.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.05.16 15:06:00 -
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Bearing in mind I fly a speed fit Loki as well I use:
Rogue CY-2 (5% speed)
Deadeye ZGC1000 (5% falloff)
Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link (5% increase in AB/MWD speed bonus)
Lancer G2-Delta (5% RoF)
Gunslinger LX-2 (5% turret damage)
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