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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:31:00 -
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Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:48:00 -
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Because they kill people who don't kill people, which is neither right nor wrong, for both possible subjects. |
Alt Load
Divine Heresy
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
Fascinating
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:04:00 -
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@ Alt Load: I agree, hence making this thread to open discussion.
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Alt Load
Divine Heresy
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
@ Alt Load: I agree, hence making this thread to open discussion.
just messing with you i like the thread i just wanted to respond but not add anything to the discussion.
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Potrondal Morrison
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Potrondal Morrison on 16/05/2011 21:20:27
Originally by: Alt Load
Originally by: Lady Spank
@ Alt Load: I agree, hence making this thread to open discussion.
just messing with you i like the thread i just wanted to respond but not add anything to the discussion.
Surly adding to the discussion without adding to the discussion to show that adding to this discussion would be wrong is like killing someone who kills someone to prove that killing someone is wrong 
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Owen Drakkar
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:33:00 -
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Because attacking KOS players with advantageous numbers and factors doesn't roll off the tongue as well.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:40:00 -
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Would you consider all anti-pirates as blobbing cowards? I know a few that are competent and work the aggression mechanics into their tactics so they can engage greater numbers rather than simply relying on a numbers game.
Granted there are many incompetent people that have to blob but that goes for all walks of eve life.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.16 23:14:00 -
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Tears break the cycle.
I can't heal stupid
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.17 09:24:00 -
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Because, somewhere in their silly little minds, they think it's somehow "right"
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Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:03:00 -
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Wait, are we talking about Eve, or US foreign policy?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet
Wait, are we talking about Eve, or US foreign policy?
****, you beat me to it. 
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Paul Clavet
Wait, are we talking about Eve, or US foreign policy?
****, you beat me to it.
Thinking about it (for one second longer), they do the same internally as well.
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Dracoliche
Damage Unlimited Inc
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2011.05.17 12:10:00 -
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Why don't we kill people who don't kill people to show them that not killing people is wrong?
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Victoria Wolfe
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.17 13:23:00 -
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Same reason we imprison people for unlawful confinement or execute people for murder.
One part deterrence, two parts retribution. Although it's hard to deter people in EVE since anything lost can always be regained. So that leaves retribution. Although the anti-pirates are usually not the ones who have been wronged. That said, police officers, prison guards and executioners haven't necessarily been wronged either.
So in a way, anti-pirate groups are doing all us carebears a great service! Also pirates should feel free to fight amongst themselves whenever possible. That works just as well.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.05.17 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
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Mighty Dread
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:30:00 -
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There are no jails or any sort of punishment strong enough to act as a deterrent (like reprocessing of criminal's isk and ships for example). Pod pilots are immortal so really...Who's actually being killed? Best you can do is delay the inevitable, again and again.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:55:00 -
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Considering pods + clones it's more like a fine 
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Thomas Phillippe
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Posted - 2011.05.18 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
Because some people simply cannot grasp the concept of the golden rule. So you have to show them first hand.
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Ezeria Mistanta
Bath and Body Works
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.05.18 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Phillippe
Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
Because some people simply cannot grasp the concept of the golden rule. So you have to show them first hand.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
-- TBH Pirates want you to do it, the reason pirates pirate in eve is to generate situations where people come for revenge or people come after them for being pirates.
But are you suggesting you want to be blown up as well? If you're following the golden rule you don't project justice, rather you project empathy and want to treat people how you want to be treated.
Maybe you're more of an eye for an eye sort...
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.05.18 04:10:00 -
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Meow
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tres low
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Posted - 2011.05.18 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Wolfe
Same reason we imprison people for unlawful confinement or execute people for murder.
One part deterrence, two parts retribution. Although it's hard to deter people in EVE since anything lost can always be regained. So that leaves retribution. Although the anti-pirates are usually not the ones who have been wronged. That said, police officers, prison guards and executioners haven't necessarily been wronged either.
So in a way, anti-pirate groups are doing all us carebears a great service! Also pirates should feel free to fight amongst themselves whenever possible. That works just as well.
Pirates shoot at eachother all the time. Only times they work together is when presented with a big target...like a carrier or somesuch.
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SilentSkills
Gallente
THE F.E.A.R
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Posted - 2011.05.18 15:01:00 -
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EVE would not be EVE without pirates. The end
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.05.18 15:09:00 -
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Pathetic.
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Rinia Altir
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rinia Altir on 18/05/2011 19:02:57
Some people aren't really interested in firing upon the innocent people who are minding their own business and would rather shoot down people who clearly are not innocent.
The result is also more of a fight rather than a suprise one-sided gank.
(By "innocent" I mean they are not killing any other players unless it is self defense)
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Derwent
Deez Nuts.
Nut Up Or Shut Up.
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Posted - 2011.05.19 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Derwent on 19/05/2011 15:20:16
Guns dont kill ppl, I do...
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.19 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
You look like Cate Blanchett.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2289867264/nm0000949
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.19 16:11:00 -
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♥ No one has ever been so kind to me ♥ ;_; Sniff
Are you back to cause mischief Spectre?
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Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Granted there are many incompetent people that have to blob but that goes for all walks of eve life.
NOT EVERY1 WHOS INCOMPETANT BLOBS YOU CANT GET A FAIR FIGHT SOLO (EXCEPT LADY SPANK WHO USES CHEAT CODES) SO ITS THE SMART THING TO DO |
Damien McCandless
Caldari
Baden's Army
Externus Hostis
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Posted - 2011.05.19 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spruillo
Originally by: Lady Spank
Granted there are many incompetent people that have to blob but that goes for all walks of eve life.
EVERY1 WHOS INCOMPETANT BLOBS YOU CAN GET A FAIR FIGHT SOLO (EXCEPT LADY SPANK WHO USES SMARTS
True, some people who are incompetant leave their caps lock on instead.
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Foralai Altrus
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Posted - 2011.05.19 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rinia Altir
Edited by: Rinia Altir on 18/05/2011 19:02:57
Some people aren't really interested in firing upon the innocent people who are minding their own business and would rather shoot down people who clearly are not innocent.
The result is also more of a fight rather than a suprise one-sided gank.
(By "innocent" I mean they are not killing any other players unless it is self defense)
Sounds right, they want PVP not poking fun at carebears. So you go after PVP fitted ships, which is what pirates fly.
And unlike FW, pirate hunting takes more than just blob skills
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.23 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
♥ No one has ever been so kind to me ♥ ;_; Sniff
Are you back to cause mischief Spectre?
The answer is yes.
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Jaxley
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.05.23 09:37:00 -
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I dunno LOL \o/
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.05.23 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Spruillo
Originally by: Lady Spank
Granted there are many incompetent people that have to blob but that goes for all walks of eve life.
NOT EVERY1 WHOS INCOMPETANT BLOBS YOU CANT GET A FAIR FIGHT SOLO (EXCEPT LADY SPANK WHO USES CHEAT CODES) SO ITS THE SMART THING TO DO
Caps lock is the blob of C&P.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.05.23 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
♥ No one has ever been so kind to me ♥ ;_; Sniff
:jealous:
And, there are anti-pies in this game? Like, for real? I've never seen any. Maybe I don't hang out in all the right places.
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Soldarius
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.24 07:30:00 -
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My head hurts just from skimming this thread. Good thing I didn't actually read any of it.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.05.24 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: Lady Spank
♥ No one has ever been so kind to me ♥ ;_; Sniff
Are you back to cause mischief Spectre?
The answer is yes.
\o/ Looking forward to a new blogpost!
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Abyssum Invocat
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Posted - 2011.05.24 13:01:00 -
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I was in an anti-pirate corp... once. Frankly, if I want to get in my ship and go kill a dude I will do so indiscriminately. There are few enough targets in lowsec without adding any additional constraints to who I should or should not engage.
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Oriole
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Posted - 2011.06.03 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Oriole on 03/06/2011 01:10:22
Neither piracy or anti-piracy is really about pvp in the traditional competitive sense. One is essentially about preying on others for the sake/thrill of it, and the other is about trying to punish those perceived as jerks by giving them a dose of their own medecine (whether or not it works). There are several really good games out there that serve as balanced environments for competitive pvp. EVE is not one of them. It doesn't want to be. Instead, it offers something different, something the other games don't. It's up to you to decide whether this environment and the resulting "pvp" is something you enjoy. Personally, I greatly prefer the competitive pvp that a solid online FPS (TF2 for example!) has to offer, and thus do not "pvp" in EVE. Hmm, off topic? Maybe. I blame the caffeine.
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Oriole
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Posted - 2011.06.03 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Phillippe
Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
Because some people simply cannot grasp the concept of the golden rule. So you have to show them first hand.
The golden rule is a rule that EVE purposefully provides an opportunity to break.
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Vasaczk
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:27:00 -
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(Excuse me because i'm new and aint killed s*** buuuut...)
In reply to OP:
Because everyone has tear ducts, not just carebears.
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Angsty Teenager
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Posted - 2011.06.03 04:12:00 -
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There are no anti-pirates.
See here's the thing you noobs. What if I am the "bad guy" but I think I'm the "good guy", then all the "good guys" from the "bad guys" of my view in their point of view think that I'm the "bad guy" even though I myself think I'm the "good guy?" See what happens? It's all relative you fruitcakes, and I'll be damned if you tell me that "pirating" is not actually "anti-pirating" because frankly when i kill mission runners, I consider them "pirates" because in actuality they're killing the jolly old "pirates" that are actually just frolicking in their pleasure hubs doing no wrong. So basically I'm preying on the "pirates" because while they think they are not "pirates" they are "pirates" to the "pirates" and thus I am an "anti-pirate" despite being considered a "pirate" by those who think they are "anti-pirates" and who also think the "pirates" in my view are carebears.
See what I'm saying? Who was first, the chicken or the egg? (it was the chicken)
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Oriole
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Posted - 2011.06.03 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Angsty Teenager
There are no anti-pirates.
See here's the thing you noobs. What if I am the "bad guy" but I think I'm the "good guy", then all the "good guys" from the "bad guys" of my view in their point of view think that I'm the "bad guy" even though I myself think I'm the "good guy?" See what happens? It's all relative you fruitcakes, and I'll be damned if you tell me that "pirating" is not actually "anti-pirating" because frankly when i kill mission runners, I consider them "pirates" because in actuality they're killing the jolly old "pirates" that are actually just frolicking in their pleasure hubs doing no wrong. So basically I'm preying on the "pirates" because while they think they are not "pirates" they are "pirates" to the "pirates" and thus I am an "anti-pirate" despite being considered a "pirate" by those who think they are "anti-pirates" and who also think the "pirates" in my view are carebears.
See what I'm saying? Who was first, the chicken or the egg? (it was the chicken)
RP much?
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.03 07:02:00 -
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Anti-pirate checking in, and taking this seriously for a moment! :-D
Originally by: Lady Spank
Why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong?
There is not one uniform group of anti-pirates, so what I say obviously doesn't apply to everyone. But I can tell you that at least Electus Matari does not think that "killing people is wrong" (in-game) - quite to the contrary. EVE is a pvp game, and a major part of that is blowing up stuff. This game would be frigging boring without pirates.
Every player decides for themselves who they want to shoot. Some pirates like to gank noob ships, others prefer to keep their sec status high to be able to go to high-sec or not provide such an "easy" target and ignore noob ships as they usually do not provide much loot. People set various other people to blue to avoid shooting them for whatever reason.
"Anti-pirates" are not much different from that. We basically decided to shoot only people who fit our definition of "pirate". It's our way of playing the game.
In the case of Electus Matari, we chose that approach because we're roleplayers, and it fits our roleplay to be some kind of "space police" for the Minmatar Republic. That's our in-character reason. Out of character, we just blow up ships because that's what the game is about, and we sometimes (quite often) do not shoot at stuff because of roleplay reasons.
There are some anti-pirates who believe that piracy is "bad for the game" and/or that pirates are "bad people" in real-life. If you were asking about them: I don't get those people, either.
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