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Shivash	Posted - 2003.07.01 19:07:00 - [1] Take the 4 level 1 cruisers, all point at being miners first and formost with large holds and several turret slots. Look at them though and the amarr one is heavilly unbalanced compared to the the other 3. name- cargo- drones- turret- missile Aug - 465 - 100 - 3 - 0 ExE - 425 - 800 - 4 - 0 Osp - 485 - 400 - 3 - 2 Scy - 440 - 100 - 3 - 2 The Exe is far too strong able to fly 4 harvesters, 4 med drones and mine with 4 miner1's. The Aug basically has to mine with 3 miner 1's and 2 light combat drones. Or 2 elites ( if you can afford them ) and lost a miner 1 to a gun. The Osp and Scy aren't bad although losing a missile slot on the Osp to compencate for the extra drones probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.07.01 19:07:00 - [2] Take the 4 level 1 cruisers, all point at being miners first and formost with large holds and several turret slots. Look at them though and the amarr one is heavilly unbalanced compared to the the other 3. name- cargo- drones- turret- missile Aug - 465 - 100 - 3 - 0 ExE - 425 - 800 - 4 - 0 Osp - 485 - 400 - 3 - 2 Scy - 440 - 100 - 3 - 2 The Exe is far too strong able to fly 4 harvesters, 4 med drones and mine with 4 miner1's. The Aug basically has to mine with 3 miner 1's and 2 light combat drones. Or 2 elites ( if you can afford them ) and lost a miner 1 to a gun. The Osp and Scy aren't bad although losing a missile slot on the Osp to compencate for the extra drones probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
Shivash	Posted - 2003.07.01 19:50:00 - [3] Personally I think the exe needs two turrets removing and 1 or (preferably) 2 Missile bays adding to the Aug.
Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.07.01 19:50:00 - [4] Personally I think the exe needs two turrets removing and 1 or (preferably) 2 Missile bays adding to the Aug.
StoreSlem	Posted - 2003.07.01 22:41:00 - [5] Maybe they are supposed to be miners, but they still have a lot of other strengths. I would say the lvl 1 cruisers is the most balanced line.
StoreSlem Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2003.07.01 22:41:00 - [6] Maybe they are supposed to be miners, but they still have a lot of other strengths. I would say the lvl 1 cruisers is the most balanced line. "If you were experiencing a lag, it was not server related."
Sanctume	Posted - 2003.07.01 23:18:00 - [7] how balanced are they if one decided to kill the other? i think it's fine.
Sanctume	Posted - 2003.07.01 23:18:00 - [8] how balanced are they if one decided to kill the other? i think it's fine.
Shivash	Posted - 2003.07.01 23:26:00 - [9] Well the exe is the toughest but I'm sure it wouldn't win. Pretty sure the exe would or maybe the osprey as they have more CPU and power to power up shield boosters etc. not to mention more med slots.
Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.07.01 23:26:00 - [10] Well the exe is the toughest but I'm sure it wouldn't win. Pretty sure the exe would or maybe the osprey as they have more CPU and power to power up shield boosters etc. not to mention more med slots.

Slithereen	Posted - 2003.07.05 06:58:00 - [11] Sorry for answering a belated thread, although I think this thread is very useful. The comparison in the first post does not take account an important factor which is the number of low slots you can use to put cargo expanders. If you take this into account, the Aug has the best advantage for having as much as five slots. Level 1 cruisers are in effect, mining cruisers. You don't take these ships out to engage other cruisers, especially other player cruisers. That's a nice way to blow an investment. Instead level 1 cruisers are cruisers you make serious money with by mining with sufficient defense to take out low to med level NPC pirates. Or as a trading ship on high to med security areas. The Aug has the highest cargo capacity of all level 1, with 465 plus five cargo expanders. Is there any other cruiser of any level that has that much space? (The closest is another Amarr cruiser called the Omen.) I heard there are people who reach nearly a thousand cubes with this cruiser. Add three mining lasers and two mining drones, you got a ship seriously fitted to eat rock. In fact, just because of the space alone, I would pick the Aug as the best roid eater of all the level one cruisers, and for those looking to use level one cruisers as a money making machine that can serve as a stepping stone for more powerful combat optimized cruisers. Edited by: Slithereen on 05/07/2003 07:35:18 _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen Amarr	Posted - 2003.07.05 06:58:00 - [12] Sorry for answering a belated thread, although I think this thread is very useful. The comparison in the first post does not take account an important factor which is the number of low slots you can use to put cargo expanders. If you take this into account, the Aug has the best advantage for having as much as five slots. Level 1 cruisers are in effect, mining cruisers. You don't take these ships out to engage other cruisers, especially other player cruisers. That's a nice way to blow an investment. Instead level 1 cruisers are cruisers you make serious money with by mining with sufficient defense to take out low to med level NPC pirates. Or as a trading ship on high to med security areas. The Aug has the highest cargo capacity of all level 1, with 465 plus five cargo expanders. Is there any other cruiser of any level that has that much space? (The closest is another Amarr cruiser called the Omen.) I heard there are people who reach nearly a thousand cubes with this cruiser. Add three mining lasers and two mining drones, you got a ship seriously fitted to eat rock. In fact, just because of the space alone, I would pick the Aug as the best roid eater of all the level one cruisers, and for those looking to use level one cruisers as a money making machine that can serve as a stepping stone for more powerful combat optimized cruisers. Edited by: Slithereen on 05/07/2003 07:35:18 _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Rebell	Posted - 2003.07.05 08:17:00 - [13] I love my Osprey. I use it for mining and fighting NPCs. I haven't tried other races' ships, but looking at the stats, I would say that level 1 cruisers are very well balanced. --- ...I came to realize the obviousness of the truth. What is EVE? Control. EVE is a computer generated dream world built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into a beta tester.
Rebell Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2003.07.05 08:17:00 - [14] I love my Osprey. I use it for mining and fighting NPCs. I haven't tried other races' ships, but looking at the stats, I would say that level 1 cruisers are very well balanced.
Shivash	Posted - 2003.07.05 20:34:00 - [15] Because corp mining involves the use of indies ( heck even solo usually does ) the cargo space doesn't really matter. I have 575 on mine atm and never top half of that space. When it comes to drones I can only fly a single harvester but can't even really do that as I need the drone space for combat. OTOH the Exequeur can run several harvesters and mount a single gun or run seveal combat drones with 4 guns or mix it. In other words sucks roids like there is no tomorrow. The onyl thing the low slots are really handy for are OD's and power systems.
Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.07.05 20:34:00 - [16] Because corp mining involves the use of indies ( heck even solo usually does ) the cargo space doesn't really matter. I have 575 on mine atm and never top half of that space. When it comes to drones I can only fly a single harvester but can't even really do that as I need the drone space for combat. OTOH the Exequeur can run several harvesters and mount a single gun or run seveal combat drones with 4 guns or mix it. In other words sucks roids like there is no tomorrow. The onyl thing the low slots are really handy for are OD's and power systems.
Slithereen	Posted - 2003.07.05 22:45:00 - [17] Well have you dropped a container lately? After the patch, I recently find the timed dropping pretty annoying and actually found running back and forth the base pretty quicker. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen Amarr	Posted - 2003.07.05 22:45:00 - [18] Well have you dropped a container lately? After the patch, I recently find the timed dropping pretty annoying and actually found running back and forth the base pretty quicker. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Shivash	Posted - 2003.07.05 23:42:00 - [19] re: containers Yep mined around 140K of ore today into containers in 3 seperate operations without a problem.
Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.07.05 23:42:00 - [20] re: containers Yep mined around 140K of ore today into containers in 3 seperate operations without a problem.

Slithereen	Posted - 2003.07.06 01:05:00 - [21] I could mine 550+ cubes inside my enhanced Probe well within 5 minutes. What do I do for the extra one or two minutes, jiggle my thumbs? If you miss the 5 minute window on your container drop, you wait for another five minutes. By the way, if a looter comes to take your containers away in a high sec space, what are you going to do? Shoot at it? And have the Concord come down and blow your cruiser to bits? You can sit and watch there in utter futility as a looter in a Bestower*****your container nest, no matter how well armed your cruiser may be. Edited by: Slithereen on 06/07/2003 01:09:07* _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen Amarr	Posted - 2003.07.06 01:05:00 - [22] I could mine 550+ cubes inside my enhanced Probe well within 5 minutes. What do I do for the extra one or two minutes, jiggle my thumbs? If you miss the 5 minute window on your container drop, you wait for another five minutes. By the way, if a looter comes to take your containers away in a high sec space, what are you going to do? Shoot at it? And have the Concord come down and blow your cruiser to bits? You can sit and watch there in utter futility as a looter in a Bestower ****your container nest, no matter how well armed your cruiser may be. Edited by: Slithereen on 06/07/2003 01:09:07* _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Shivash	Posted - 2003.07.06 11:44:00 - [23] Setup yourcontainer first with a piece of ammo or use a pirate can. Then start mining. If you then start trying to produce a replacement at say 30 mins you should manage one before the first pops without any mining interuption.
Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.07.06 11:44:00 - [24] Setup yourcontainer first with a piece of ammo or use a pirate can. Then start mining. If you then start trying to produce a replacement at say 30 mins you should manage one before the first pops without any mining interuption.
Slithereen	Posted - 2003.07.07 01:32:00 - [25] I know that trick too. Thanks anyway. But the other problem stays. There is no defense against looters other than find a system where no one goes. But usually high level areas tend to have a considerable amount of people, and I had cans looted before. I would rather take home the ore rather than sweat this ammo for a can or use timing techniques. BTW, an AUG with five alpha cargo expanders reaches to about a thousand cubes in cargo space. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen Amarr	Posted - 2003.07.07 01:32:00 - [26] I know that trick too. Thanks anyway. But the other problem stays. There is no defense against looters other than find a system where no one goes. But usually high level areas tend to have a considerable amount of people, and I had cans looted before. I would rather take home the ore rather than sweat this ammo for a can or use timing techniques. BTW, an AUG with five alpha cargo expanders reaches to about a thousand cubes in cargo space. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Captain Dragotahl	Posted - 2006.12.25 04:22:00 - [27] ok three years later and im bringing this thread back just so everyone can see that nothing really has changed in the past three years, people are still complaining about something or the other. Merry Christmas to everyone and their families.

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