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CCP Zirnitra
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:25:00 -
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So, here's the information you have all been waiting on, so head on over to our new Alliance Tournament site to check if you alliance made it into the tournament!
If your team didn't make it into the tournament and are not on the alternate list, your entry fee will be refunded. If you are on the alternate list, your fee will not be refunded until after the first round of the tournament, as you may be called upon to play, in case one of the 64 entered teams do not show, or wish to forfeit their slot.
I am planning to refund the fees for the unfortunate alliances that didn't make it during next week.
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Cividari
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:30:00 -
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Noooooooooooo!
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ookke
GreenSwarm
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:43:00 -
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Glad BL got in but I'm kinda disappointed to see Dystopia, ROL and Dead Terrorists on reserve list :I
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fattrader II
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:48:00 -
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my condolences to those who did not make it
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Garmon aka Garrmonia aka the PoWnEr
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:56:00 -
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dark taboo lol good grief nice troll gf gf |
Fish Brain
Empirius Enigmus Navy
C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:05:00 -
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Kinda bummed we didn't get in but hey...
GL 0utbreak and ncdot! <3
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fattrader II
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Fish Brain
Kinda bummed we didn't get in but hey...
GL 0utbreak and ncdot! <3
I'm bummed too, got some friends in your alliance, would have been awesome to see
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Garmon aka Garrmonia aka the PoWnEr
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Potatohead
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:12:00 -
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Can we have a list of those teams that didn't make the draw?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/05/2011 12:14:49
Glad the luck of the draw favoured us again. Paying 20b would have sucked :)
Join the Revolution!
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Eyeofthetiger
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:27:00 -
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still have no idea why you cant just expand the non broadcast 5v5 gayfest of fail to include all 100+ teams that paid up.
would certainly make for much better teams getting to the 2nd round.
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Ladel Teravada
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:41:00 -
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For the first time sinne at4 CAIN wont be in the tourney. A lot of sadness right now. Good grief CCP.
Admiral Ladel Teravada
Admiral, Fleet Operations
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Terios Corvalis
Gallente
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Terios Corvalis on 20/05/2011 12:48:26
Pre-qualifying should filter the best 28, not the lucky 28...
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Gunther Anyadbagoly
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeofthetiger
still have no idea why you cant just expand the non broadcast 5v5 gayfest of fail to include all 100+ teams that paid up.
would certainly make for much better teams getting to the 2nd round.
you are tottaly right, this tournament just get screwed with such a fail teams... every 2nd match will be sold after the first few losses... i tell you!
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Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:49:00 -
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I don't think anyone was expecting over 100 applications. Still sucks to see teams with a lot of tournament experience not make it in.
Hopefully this can be adjusted next year to ensure more good teams get a chance.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:55:00 -
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Where's PL? 
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Gunther Anyadbagoly
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Where's PL?
they got one of the expert spots
And ohh look! RvB! Nice, we can have a rifter team in AT9, awesome!
Dark Taboo is another delicious fail team too!
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Devi1man
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:57:00 -
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still seems pretty logical to me.
so you gained what, 80bil by selling the 4 slots. but you have to now refund another 100+ bil for the 50ish teams that get left out.
surely a better solution is available to you than the current one.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Where's PL?
[INTIGO]are you some sort of spastic?[/INTIGO]
:lol they are there, twice in fact:
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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 20/05/2011 13:01:18
Originally by: Eyeofthetiger
still have no idea why you cant just expand the non broadcast 5v5 gayfest of fail to include all 100+ teams that paid up.
would certainly make for much better teams getting to the 2nd round.
^^ This. The tourney is too heavily-reliant on chance. Teams getting in must be lucky, and the 5-pilot qualifiers will be very stochastic. Getting into the the 10-pilot matches is more like rolling dice.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/05/2011 12:14:49
Glad the luck of the draw favoured us again. Paying 20b would have sucked :)
Yup. Lady Luck seems to like RP alliances. :)
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
I don't think anyone was expecting over 100 applications. Still sucks to see teams with a lot of tournament experience not make it in.
Hopefully this can be adjusted next year to ensure more good teams get a chance.
Luck is an attribute like any other.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Where's PL?
PL has a bye to the knockout rounds, as does Hydra, Voltron and Darkside.
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fire elf
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:32:00 -
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Omg.. -7- made it in ?! :D
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Tish Magev
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:43:00 -
[24]
2 things to note:
1. CCP Devs should definitely stop playing table tennis and get back to sorting out lag/bringing back cyno gen graphics/fixing game etc
2. CCP Soundwave definitely looks like he wants a piece of CCP Sunset. Just saying.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:49:00 -
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fu
(whoever decided quarter-finalists from last time shouldn't get a guaranteed slot)
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: fire elf
Omg.. -7- made it in ?! :D
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!
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Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
fu
(whoever decided quarter-finalists from last time shouldn't get a guaranteed slot)
You're 7 disbanded alliances away from competing. Get to it. ;)
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Mr Origon
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:34:00 -
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I'm kinda disapointed, lot's of very good teams are not in and random carebear and mining aliances are in :( This will be the worst tourney ever. The extra round for 5v5 would make this tourney 10 times better.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tish Magev
2. CCP Soundwave definitely looks like he wants a piece of CCP Sunset. Just saying.
It's probably the other way around. I have that effect on women 
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Salvia Olima
The All-Seeing Eye
The Wrong Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Origon
The extra round for 5v5 would make this tourney 10 times better.
Definitely true. It looks like CCP likes to laugh on how miners & missionrunners are running from each other like little girls in their T1 cruisers, pretending they are doing pvp.
Or maybe CCP is afraid of real PvP-ers who can think and win in gangs, as it would show where this game has its faults and imbalanced or owerpowered setups'n'ships.
PLEASE make that extra round for 5v5, it does not need to be online on webTV but the alliances who were unlucky deserve it. It would only make the overall quality of the tournament better if they would have a chance.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Tish Magev
2. CCP Soundwave definitely looks like he wants a piece of CCP Sunset. Just saying.
It's probably the other way around. I have that effect on women
did you lock the fire exits or something because she just looked like she wanted to gtfo
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LegendaryFrog
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: LegendaryFrog on 20/05/2011 15:47:03
Edited by: LegendaryFrog on 20/05/2011 15:39:28
Oh that's cool... not everyone could get in, and we just got unlucky this time.
I'm at least glad that us being out of it leaves room for such well established, dedicated, and DEFINITELY NOT FAKE alliances like "The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas" whom have 23 members and a total of one kill during their entire existence as an alliance.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Conglomeration_of_Ill_Advised_Ideas
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=3253
Oh, and what's that... the only guy in the alliance with a kill only joined the alliance the day after the tournament rules were announced?
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Eikl
Your chances of winning are a lot better when you have 5 or 6 teams in the tournament, after all. 
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Potatohead
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zirnitra
If your team didn't make it into the tournament and are not on the alternate list
Can we have a list of the non-qualifiers?
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:04:00 -
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Really annoyed we are missing the likes of CAIN and Dystopia. This whole thing is a mess.
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Hey You
Spricer
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:13:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Hey You on 20/05/2011 16:13:30
Its really shame to not see Dystopia and few other alliances in...
Would make for so much better tournament then likes of Ill advised ******s of conglomerate... Or whatever the f they are called.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:33:00 -
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Lots of entertaining teams missing :< Goonswarm Federation, Dead Terrorists..(final 8 last time)
But it's too late now to add another weekend of pre-qualifiers :/
Hopefully next year CCP will actually give a fu ck about the tournament and not half-a ss the preparation and format because they're too busy with fanfest
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Devi1man
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Devi1man on 20/05/2011 16:37:49
surely they could cut the prelim matches down by a few minutes each (srsly, how long will 5v5 limited ship combat in this format last anyway...if you cant kill each other in that time...its a draw)
viola, double the matches.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:40:00 -
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Double the work for GMs transporting people / checking for banned modules / implants / whatever, but dunno maybe it would be possible.
Doesn't seem likely tho ;P Making the tourney good is obviously a really really really low priority for CCP.
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Devi1man
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Devi1man on 20/05/2011 16:44:43
I certainly respect the fact that with so many people, no decision CCP ever makes is going to make everyone happy. They could mail out gold bricks to every subscriber and someone would still post a complaint somewhere.
However for an event that draws so much attention, and only happens once a year, and they load up advertising for...you would want it as entertaining and "alliance friendly" as possible.
cmon CCP, there has to be a happy compromise somewhere, surely noone is arguing that this particular outcome is in the best interest of the alliance tournament as a whole.
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larf1986
Initium Malum
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:46:00 -
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DT have been final 8 for the last 2 years and last 16 for 3.
Me and my guys will really miss flying in this torney. Changing the auto entry to last 4 was a big shockfor us.
Grats to those who got in.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: larf1986
DT have been final 8 for the last 2 years and last 16 for 3.
Me and my guys will really miss flying in this torney. Changing the auto entry to last 4 was a big shockfor us.
Grats to those who got in.
yeah we were final 8 for last two also :/ looks like this'll be the first alliance tournament i don't take part in
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:04:00 -
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Clearly the only resolution to so many applicants to compete is to have more alliance tournaments. Spring and Autumn sessions, or Summer and Winter sessions. It would be very cool to run them every season and fly the top teams to fanfest to compete live.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gunther Anyadbagoly
Originally by: Chribba
Where's PL?
they got one of the expert spots
And ohh look! RvB! Nice, we can have a rifter team in AT9, awesome!
Dark Taboo is another delicious fail team too!
Bitter much?
We fly merlins too you know, at least get your information correct.
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BondGamer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:20:00 -
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Good job CCP not having the largest alliance in the game participate and instead letting an alliance with our name who only has 54 people in it join.
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Aryndel Vyst
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:35:00 -
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I too like to give charity to ****ty alliances nobody has ever heard of or encountered.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: BondGamer
Good job CCP not having the largest alliance in the game participate and instead letting an alliance with our name who only has 54 people in it join.
Keep in mind which alliance is older. You took their name, not the other way around. :P
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:39:00 -
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I would like to give props to PL on their 4th tourney win in a row because none of these scrubs will have a chance to drop them.
I am so glad teams who made it to the Quarter Finals the last two years are being dropped in favor of such powerhouses like Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate, Corcoran State, The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas, Waterboard, and of course the infamous Not an Alt Alliance I Swear!
Go **** yourselves.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 20/05/2011 17:51:11
As a newer alliance that got lucky and made the draw, I do agree with a lot of the sentiment here.
Older, more experienced alliances with proven track-records in this tournament need to be respected and granted admission.
Think NCAA tournament. They don't put all the names in a hat, you have people who know what they are doing making seed rankings.
I'd propose a much larger 'seeded' field based on previous performances and expected capabilities, and a 2nd, 'wild card' feeder branch for unproven groups.
It does seem ridiculous for teams that have gotten far and played well not to be involved.
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Open for Recruitment!
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Gunther Anyadbagoly
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
I would like to give props to PL on their 4th tourney win in a row because none of these scrubs will have a chance to drop them.
I am so glad teams who made it to the Quarter Finals the last two years are being dropped in favor of such powerhouses like Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate, Corcoran State, The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas, Waterboard, and of course the infamous Not an Alt Alliance I Swear!
Go **** yourselves.
and worst of all, they think they did a bloody good job to let these no-name bands enter to the battlefields of AT9... PL won this tournament for sure... again.
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BondGamer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:55:00 -
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Here is a totally out there idea: set a minimum alliance member count and age. You know, like how it is with logos?
Hold on. This makes too much sense. Lets nerf jump bridges!
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 20/05/2011 17:51:11
As a newer alliance that got lucky and made the draw, I do agree with a lot of the sentiment here.
Older, more experienced alliances with proven track-records in this tournament need to be respected and granted admission.
Think NCAA tournament. They don't put all the names in a hat, you have people who know what they are doing making seed rankings.
I'd propose a much larger 'seeded' field based on previous performances and expected capabilities, and a 2nd, 'wild card' feeder branch for unproven groups.
It does seem ridiculous for teams that have gotten far and played well not to be involved.
That is not bad actually. You still keep the top 16 teams and then open the field to new alliances who can beat each other senseless in pre quals to earn their spots. Then you begin like normal. I mean seriously CCP, it is a once in a year thing and for some of us the only thing we really look forward to. Keep the dedicated teams and let the nubbins fight and claw their way to victory. If it takes a month of weekends then it does but at least you will put forth the best tourney possible rather than this.
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Gunther Anyadbagoly
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:14:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Gunther Anyadbagoly on 20/05/2011 18:15:19
Originally by: Kumq uat
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 20/05/2011 17:51:11
As a newer alliance that got lucky and made the draw, I do agree with a lot of the sentiment here.
Older, more experienced alliances with proven track-records in this tournament need to be respected and granted admission.
Think NCAA tournament. They don't put all the names in a hat, you have people who know what they are doing making seed rankings.
I'd propose a much larger 'seeded' field based on previous performances and expected capabilities, and a 2nd, 'wild card' feeder branch for unproven groups.
It does seem ridiculous for teams that have gotten far and played well not to be involved.
That is not bad actually. You still keep the top 16 teams and then open the field to new alliances who can beat each other senseless in pre quals to earn their spots. Then you begin like normal. I mean seriously CCP, it is a once in a year thing and for some of us the only thing we really look forward to. Keep the dedicated teams and let the nubbins fight and claw their way to victory. If it takes a month of weekends then it does but at least you will put forth the best tourney possible rather than this.
what are you talking about? picking pieces of papers from a hat is way more legit... in 2011, at a game developer team. /sarcasm off
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:21:00 -
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I forgot that is how they pick the best teams for the World Cup. Without their random draw we wouldn't have had that riveting World Cup final of Burkina Faso vs The Democratic Peoples Republic of the Congo.
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Amhra
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:40:00 -
[54]
I'm glad my team made it, but it's still really disappointing that only the top 4 teams get a reserved slot. Top 16 makes much more sense to me.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:01:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kumq uat
Keep the dedicated teams and let the nubbins fight and claw their way to victory. If it takes a month of weekends then it does but at least you will put forth the best tourney possible rather than this.
As an older member of a nubbin alliance, I endorse this 
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Open for Recruitment!
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Rexorr
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:08:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 20/05/2011 17:51:11
As a newer alliance that got lucky and made the draw, I do agree with a lot of the sentiment here.
Older, more experienced alliances with proven track-records in this tournament need to be respected and granted admission.
Think NCAA tournament. They don't put all the names in a hat, you have people who know what they are doing making seed rankings.
I'd propose a much larger 'seeded' field based on previous performances and expected capabilities, and a 2nd, 'wild card' feeder branch for unproven groups.
It does seem ridiculous for teams that have gotten far and played well not to be involved.
Holy Crap a well thought out solution from someone who is not ****ed off an Bitter.
What have you done with my EVE!?! I no longer recognize this place.
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Goddess Alexi
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Posted - 2011.05.20 21:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: BondGamer
Good job CCP not having the largest alliance in the game (LOL BLOBBERS) participate and instead letting an alliance with our name who only has 54 people in it join.
FYP and now you can spend more time in Jita scamming. 
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:04:00 -
[58]
motivaton.jpg
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 23:01:00 -
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This is going to be the worst tourney on record. A bunch of scrub alliances are going to bring @#$@$# setups and get ROFLStomped right out of it. Enjoy your new ships PL, I might wanna buy one for 25B if it's what I'm hoping for.
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joey4567
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Posted - 2011.05.20 23:10:00 -
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how much time will the alt teams have to get ready for they're matches?
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.05.20 23:42:00 -
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Maybe if you guys actually coded this **** to where you didn't have to manually run every ****ing round of the tournament you wouldn't need to impose these exclusionary rules. Letting more teams in is still **** if there are teams that wanted to play, that can't. And lowering the number of reserved spots from the last tournament's leaders is in no way needed to allow more teams into the tourney. Your logic is not just broken, it's hazardous.
The lottery has been moved from t2 bpo's to tournament prize ships.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.20 23:47:00 -
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by not showing the names LEFT if the hat it makes it look more rigged than last year ;(
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leich
Amarr
Sad Panda'z
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Posted - 2011.05.21 00:03:00 -
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Let be honest it was always going to be fixed.
What they should have done is drawn all the name then show all the enterants to prove they were in the mix.
The need to sort this **** out and redraw it's the only fair solution to this terible ****up
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Myrdin Potter
Diplomatic Disruption
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.05.21 01:17:00 -
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It seems that every year there are people complaining that "important" teams got left out. Even this year when CCP made it possible to bribe your way in (auction) so that if you're a big and rich Alliance and you insist on competing, you can.
This will be the 3rd tournament my Alliance will be fighting in. I know we'll never make the "important spaceship league" lists, but who decides what Alliances are more important than others? Should mine be booted for some other Alliance that is more "deserving"? I know that my guys like to fight in in, and win or lose we're all cheering our team on. 2B isk is not casual isk for us, so raising it higher just makes it even harder for us to participate.
The idea of having "open" trials is interesting, but it will take a lot of time and CCP would have no way of knowing how many would show.
As long as there is a limited number of slots and the tournament remains this popular, some will get left out. This year is decided, maybe suggestions should be sent to the CSM so they can advocate for changes for next time.
Myrdin
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.21 01:17:00 -
[65]
Awesome, a tourny with 6-7 actual competitors, and 50 odd miner/carebear/alt alliances.
This promises to be the BEST TOURNY EVAR!
Yep so I'm in bittervet mode now, this is pretty ****in ridiculous CCP, there are plenty of mechanisms available to make sure everyone gets a chance to compete.
Fix this before next tourny ffs
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Eyeofthetiger
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Posted - 2011.05.21 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Myrdin Potter
It seems that every year there are people complaining that "important" teams got left out. Even this year when CCP made it possible to bribe your way in (auction) so that if you're a big and rich Alliance and you insist on competing, you can.
This will be the 3rd tournament my Alliance will be fighting in. I know we'll never make the "important spaceship league" lists, but who decides what Alliances are more important than others? Should mine be booted for some other Alliance that is more "deserving"? I know that my guys like to fight in in, and win or lose we're all cheering our team on. 2B isk is not casual isk for us, so raising it higher just makes it even harder for us to participate.
The idea of having "open" trials is interesting, but it will take a lot of time and CCP would have no way of knowing how many would show.
As long as there is a limited number of slots and the tournament remains this popular, some will get left out. This year is decided, maybe suggestions should be sent to the CSM so they can advocate for changes for next time.
Myrdin
argument would hold more water IMO if there were unlimited slots you could "buy" vs just 4
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Flash Over.
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.05.21 02:06:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Gunther Anyadbagoly
Edited by: Gunther Anyadbagoly on 20/05/2011 18:00:17
Edited by: Gunther Anyadbagoly on 20/05/2011 17:59:08
Originally by: Kumq uat
I would like to give props to PL on their 4th tourney win in a row because none of these scrubs will have a chance to drop them.
I am so glad teams who made it to the Quarter Finals the last two years are being dropped in favor of such powerhouses like Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate, Corcoran State, The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas, Waterboard, and of course the infamous Not an Alt Alliance I Swear!
Go **** yourselves.
and worst of all, they think they did a bloody good job to let these no-name bands enter to the battlefields of AT9... PL won this tournament for sure... again.
Oh, and also, CCP, please edit the entry sentences of the AT9 page from this:
"The EVE Online Alliance Tournament is the ultimate battlefield in which the top pilots in EVE Online fight for the glory and honour of their alliance. 64 Alliances compete over 4 weekends of intense, explosive action."
to this (it makes a lot more sense):
The EVE Online Alliance Tournament is the funniest battlefield in which the most lucky pilots in EVE Online fight for the money and another bunch of money for their fake alliance. A few real Alliances and a horde of newbies compete over 4 weekends of boring, predictible, "action".
Not if I have anything to say about it 8)
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ultrax99
Gallente
Initium Malum
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.05.21 03:57:00 -
[68]
Congratz to all the teams that made it.
Don't know realy whats more sad to me, the thing that our aliance didn't make it, or that our fc spent hours of play making tactics, buying and fiting ships, practising on sisi, that we changed our skill training just to get perfect skills for our roles.
It's very sad that after all this, it only depends on The God of CCP hat.
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LastHourInformation
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Posted - 2011.05.21 05:19:00 -
[69]
it was better if the teams were chosen by 60% of own territory in the game! 30% the number of players and 10% luck? no't like this piking from a hat with more than 100% luck , the same alliance with several teams? there are at least 5-10 teams that really are the team b,c, etc and CCP can check it if they will .
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Brinxter
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Posted - 2011.05.21 07:04:00 -
[70]
I would like to mention that "Adeptus Arbites" is misspelled, on the video, you did manage to write it correctly at 13:19 :P
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.21 08:04:00 -
[71]
My only consolation is that we will all be either raptured or fighting in a post apocalyptic wasteland withing the next few hours and the tournament will not actually happen.
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Ladel Teravada
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2011.05.21 08:54:00 -
[72]
You know what is funny? it doesn't matter how the tourney format looks or how the draw is made.. people complain the same way every year.
Admiral Ladel Teravada
Admiral, Fleet Operations
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Exolon
Caldari
Nefantar Tribe
The Wrong Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.21 09:38:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Myrdin Potter
It seems that every year there are people complaining that "important" teams got left out. Even this year when CCP made it possible to bribe your way in (auction) so that if you're a big and rich Alliance and you insist on competing, you can.
This will be the 3rd tournament my Alliance will be fighting in. I know we'll never make the "important spaceship league" lists, but who decides what Alliances are more important than others? Should mine be booted for some other Alliance that is more "deserving"? I know that my guys like to fight in in, and win or lose we're all cheering our team on. 2B isk is not casual isk for us, so raising it higher just makes it even harder for us to participate.
The idea of having "open" trials is interesting, but it will take a lot of time and CCP would have no way of knowing how many would show.
As long as there is a limited number of slots and the tournament remains this popular, some will get left out. This year is decided, maybe suggestions should be sent to the CSM so they can advocate for changes for next time.
Myrdin
Would you tell this too if your alliance wouldn't had luck, and you can't participate on AT9. I think no....
This year no more best 16 teams of previous AT gets fix place in 64 alliances (its ok that top 4 gets into group stage, but other 12 ... at least let them try in prequalified stage)
We was participated in last 3 AT ... every time top 16, once top 8 alliance , now CCP says: Sorry mate you didn't had luck. Shame. Think a bit mate ...
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.21 13:50:00 -
[74]
For future consideration and keeping in with the true spirit of EVE, that video definitely needed more ping pong, playing, talking and snickering in the background as following what the announcers were talking about wasn't distracting and difficult enough yet.
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Chks
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:56:00 -
[75]
Selection should be based on Alliance PvP activity in the game (kills/member or some other meaningful measure), this way the most experienced PvPers get the slots and you can always throw in a few wildcards for the odd comedy slaughter.
One sided fights do not make good viewing (even though thats the way it usually is in game!)
Just a thought
Chks
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:48:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Chks
Selection should be based on Alliance PvP activity in the game (kills/member or some other meaningful measure), this way the most experienced PvPers get the slots and you can always throw in a few wildcards for the odd comedy slaughter.
One sided fights do not make good viewing (even though thats the way it usually is in game!)
Just a thought
Chks
Problem with that are teams like us. Most of us just ship spin most of the year but our tournament success cannot be denied. We are thinking tournament the entire year, planning, training, etc.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.21 18:26:00 -
[77]
Stop posting.
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Serena Greyskull
Rens 911
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:27:00 -
[78]
It is a bit unfair, but that how it rolls.
If you felt so entitled to a slot, you should have bid on it. As it was there was 5 of us bidding for 4 slots
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Leto Hellrock
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Posted - 2011.05.23 09:05:00 -
[79]
Rabble, rabble, rabble.
3 pages of sandy vageenas.
"We were top 16, 5 years running and we didn't get in" - boo hoo! You had many chances to win it and you didn't.
Props and good luck to all newcomers. We're a "nobody" alliance and we actually saved to get the 2bill entry. If we fall out in the first round, so be it. At least we represented ourselves.
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CCP Zirnitra
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Posted - 2011.05.23 12:56:00 -
[80]
OK, so I'm gonna try and reply to some of these posts, although I know a lot of people are upset because they feel they have more right to be in the tournament than others.
First off, this year we had over 100 teams sign up, which no-one here had expected. Last year we only had 69 teams sign up, so of course almost every single team that wanted to participate in the tournament did. Because of the quite low signup numbers from last year, we didn't expect to get almost double the signups this time around. We are happy we did, it shows that the tournament is still important to a lot of people, and that its something the community as a whole is engaged in. Now, we may modify the rules next time around, to allow for more teams if we get enough signups to handle it, but we simply didn't want to go back and change the rules (again) after the signups had ended, as that would have angered people just as much.
We currently have a very tight schedule for the matches, which simply doesn't allow us to add any more fights to this years tournament.
Now, a lot of you are complaining that some alliances are running multiple teams, and while this may be true, they are still not able to move players between the teams, as the rules clearly state that you have to have been a member of the competing alliance from the minute signups ended. This rule was introduced a few tournaments back for the express reason of trying to limit the number of "alt alliances" that signed up, to better their chances in the random draw. We are looking into other means to hopefully eliminate alt alliances from signing up, but that is something that we will not be doing for this one.
Next point a lot of people have brought up, is that they feel they are more important that others in EVE, and as such should be allowed into the tournament ahead of other teams. While you may not like it, we will not give you a "free pass" because your alliance has more members or more space than another alliance.
Some people have said that we should be seeding teams based on how important / big / eFamous they are, but no matter how we decide to seed alliances, there will be someone left out who feels they are more worthy than one of the alliances we picked. How much rabble do you think these alliances and friends would be making on the forums about us playing favorites, dev misconduct and the likes?
The only truly fair option here, I feel, is a random draw since the chances are equal for everyone involved. The only reason so many alliances were unfortunately left feeling jilted is because we had a lot more signups than anyone expected. Now, we did have an auction, where anyone that absolutely wanted to be in the tournament could bid on a guaranteed slot into the pre-qualifier rounds, but only a handful of alliances decided to take the opportunity to do this, however we still had some very healthy bidding wars on the lots. Last time we did the auction there were more slots to be had, but lot less interest in them, so a lot of the lots weren't really going into bidding wars, but simply went for minimum or close to minimum bids. As a result of this, we decided to reduce the number of auction slots this tournament, from 16 to 4, but that may have been too few, so that's another possible change for future tournaments, to maybe increase the number of auction slots to 6 or 8.
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Jeter Pricecheck
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Posted - 2011.05.23 15:23:00 -
[81]
Originally by: CCP Zirnitra
OK, so I'm gonna try and reply to some of these posts, although I know a lot of people are upset because they feel they have more right to be in the tournament than others.
First off, this year we had over 100 teams sign up, which no-one here had expected. Last year we only had 69 teams sign up, so of course almost every single team that wanted to participate in the tournament did. Because of the quite low signup numbers from last year, we didn't expect to get almost double the signups this time around. We are happy we did, it shows that the tournament is still important to a lot of people, and that its something the community as a whole is engaged in. Now, we may modify the rules next time around, to allow for more teams if we get enough signups to handle it, but we simply didn't want to go back and change the rules (again) after the signups had ended, as that would have angered people just as much.
We currently have a very tight schedule for the matches, which simply doesn't allow us to add any more fights to this years tournament.
Now, a lot of you are complaining that some alliances are running multiple teams, and while this may be true, they are still not able to move players between the teams, as the rules clearly state that you have to have been a member of the competing alliance from the minute signups ended. This rule was introduced a few tournaments back for the express reason of trying to limit the number of "alt alliances" that signed up, to better their chances in the random draw. We are looking into other means to hopefully eliminate alt alliances from signing up, but that is something that we will not be doing for this one.
Next point a lot of people have brought up, is that they feel they are more important that others in EVE, and as such should be allowed into the tournament ahead of other teams. While you may not like it, we will not give you a "free pass" because your alliance has more members or more space than another alliance.
Some people have said that we should be seeding teams based on how important / big / eFamous they are, but no matter how we decide to seed alliances, there will be someone left out who feels they are more worthy than one of the alliances we picked. How much rabble do you think these alliances and friends would be making on the forums about us playing favorites, dev misconduct and the likes?
The only truly fair option here, I feel, is a random draw since the chances are equal for everyone involved. The only reason so many alliances were unfortunately left feeling jilted is because we had a lot more signups than anyone expected. Now, we did have an auction, where anyone that absolutely wanted to be in the tournament could bid on a guaranteed slot into the pre-qualifier rounds, but only a handful of alliances decided to take the opportunity to do this, however we still had some very healthy bidding wars on the lots. Last time we did the auction there were more slots to be had, but lot less interest in them, so a lot of the lots weren't really going into bidding wars, but simply went for minimum or close to minimum bids. As a result of this, we decided to reduce the number of auction slots this tournament, from 16 to 4, but that may have been too few, so that's another possible change for future tournaments, to maybe increase the number of auction slots to 6 or 8.
Didn't read that, but are you planning to refund the alliances that did not make it anytime soon?
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CCP Zirnitra
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Posted - 2011.05.23 15:56:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jeter Pricecheck
Didn't read that, but are you planning to refund the alliances that did not make it anytime soon?
From my very first post in this thread:
Originally by: CCP Zirnitra
I am planning to refund the fees for the unfortunate alliances that didn't make it during next week.
You're gonna have to be a little patient, it should happen DURING the week, not before it, when I have the time to go through all the payments I will start refunding the ones that didn't make it into the tournament.
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.23 17:18:00 -
[83]
What I want to know is why you went drasticaly different going from top 16 teams get in to top 4. I think it is quite ridiculous a top 8 team who made it to the quarterfinals does not get an automatic entry. There would still be plenty of space for new teams and it would make sure the good team who proved themselves are still in. I really don't get that decision which ended up screwing us.
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.23 23:44:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Cap Tyrian on 23/05/2011 23:56:26
@ Kumq uat
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Stop posting.
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f off kurj, kumquat's already used up everyone in GH-SC's yearly quota of awful posting
While i myself am at violating a clear command, a word to CCP Zirnitra, I am glad you went threw the trouble of trying to justify your decisions. Thats more then is to expect, as the risk is high to get stuck in contradictions. Which you kind of did, that was inevitable.
This outcome was very foreseeable and has bin pointed out ahead of time buy many.
Your concessions are appreciated but neither heel the wounds created nor cure the root of the problem in its entirety. A last minute change would of upset some teams as they might have to face a serious foe but certainly would of calmed down the mooed more then heat it up, that however is much to late so its bets to just say it as it is, that it is simply to much trouble and to little time to fix this years tourny.
At the end of the day, most people are mad, not because CCP screwed things up, but that CCP failed to hinder certain alliances to exploit tournament game mechanics. These alliances simply have no style and thats the main issue. We, GH-SC, have plenty of alts, most of which have more SP then some entire alliances who are in. And a few bill entry fee are no issue at all. Yet, we have our principles, sometimes strange principles but we have them. I just wanted mention that.
Who knows, we might be able to mix it at the top, one way or another.
Originally by: CCP Zirnitra
The only truly fair option here, I feel, is a random draw since the chances are equal for everyone involved.
Image and we all know how that ended.
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Jeter Pricecheck
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Posted - 2011.05.24 12:19:00 -
[85]
Originally by: CCP Zirnitra
Originally by: Jeter Pricecheck
Didn't read that, but are you planning to refund the alliances that did not make it anytime soon?
From my very first post in this thread:
Originally by: CCP Zirnitra
I am planning to refund the fees for the unfortunate alliances that didn't make it during next week.
You're gonna have to be a little patient, it should happen DURING the week, not before it, when I have the time to go through all the payments I will start refunding the ones that didn't make it into the tournament.
Thank you sir.
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new fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.05.25 00:13:00 -
[86]
if Dystopia wanted to be in, they should have bought a slot
i mean, istavaan has been sh*t posting for 5 years about how rich is he without actually doing anything of notice. Why not use that expansive amount of wealth you constantly bleet on about
oh right, quit crying you only have yourselves to blame
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.25 00:35:00 -
[87]
couldn't agree more on the quit crying part -_-
you're worse than any dystopia poster tho (which is saying a lot) pathetic troll hiding behind an alt
sure we could've bought a slot, but considering we were a top 8 team last time and deserved a guaranteed slot I didn't feel like paying for one
will be a worse tournament without us, both as regards entertainment and competition
CCP's tournament team this year has been incredibly bad, being really late with the rules, then the banning rule fiasco, then adding two matches for each team by changing format instead of allowing more teams to take part, not broadcasting or even recording pre-qualifiers, even the prizes appear to be terribly balanced crap..
(i only meant other people in dystopia should quit crying and leave it to me xD)
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Gobbins
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.25 11:40:00 -
[88]
just come back to PL tyrrax we got seleene and manny now lol you can make a lot of new friends
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.25 14:11:00 -
[89]
I do feel like I fit a lot better into PL now than I did when I left xD
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:37:00 -
[90]
Quote:
Some people have said that we should be seeding teams based on how important / big / eFamous they are, but no matter how we decide to seed alliances, there will be someone left out who feels they are more worthy than one of the alliances we picked. How much rabble do you think these alliances and friends would be making on the forums about us playing favorites, dev misconduct and the likes?
This is the only bit I felt I needed to comment on. When people are asking for seedings, I don't think it they are asking for it to be based on fame or how big the alliances are. It should be based on results of the past few tournaments imho. Seedings happen in pretty much every competition at some level, no reason it shouldn't happen here. Now that group stages are back you could do multiple levels of seeding.
I also don't think you answered about why only the top 4 instead of top 16 were allowed in this time, seemed like a strange choice.
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new fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.05.26 06:10:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
couldn't agree more on the quit crying part -_-
you're worse than any dystopia poster tho (which is saying a lot) pathetic troll hiding behind an alt
sure we could've bought a slot, but considering we were a top 8 team last time and deserved a guaranteed slot I didn't feel like paying for one
will be a worse tournament without us, both as regards entertainment and competition
CCP's tournament team this year has been incredibly bad, being really late with the rules, then the banning rule fiasco, then adding two matches for each team by changing format instead of allowing more teams to take part, not broadcasting or even recording pre-qualifiers, even the prizes appear to be terribly balanced crap..
(i only meant other people in dystopia should quit crying and leave it to me xD)
here is your protip. i let you have this one
you arent celebrities. you arent remotely important to eve culture as it is. you may have done cool stuff 5 years ago, but that was 5 years ago.
maybe instead of smug posting and posting photoshopped pictures of your wallets these past 5 years, you could have just bought a spot
sorry bro. i will enjoy watching Mos Vape and Bacon Fortress Syndicate over your sorry group.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:03:00 -
[92]
you don't seem to understand the concept of celebrity xD the very fact you know what we were doing 5 years ago makes you a hypocrite
your hatred of gh-sc is irrelevant, fact is we've finished in semi-finals twice, quarter-finals twice and have consistently been one of the more entertaining teams
PS; even at our most irrelevant we still matter more to ~eve culture~ than pathetic cowards like you
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new fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:52:00 -
[93]
Edited by: new fgft Athonille on 26/05/2011 10:54:33
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
you don't seem to understand the concept of celebrity xD the very fact you know what we were doing 5 years ago makes you a hypocrite
your hatred of gh-sc is irrelevant, fact is we've finished in semi-finals twice, quarter-finals twice and have consistently been one of the more entertaining teams
PS; even at our most irrelevant we still matter more to ~eve culture~ than pathetic cowards like you
boy you sure won a lot of alliance tournaments
oh you havent
and for eve culture i have done better things, added more threads and pointed out more people failing than you have in less than two months than you have in five years. oops
all you do is make yourself look a giant crybaby and your corp has packed this thread with absolutely tasty tears. please cry more. please
its your fault. stop photoshopping wallet pictures and buy your slot. i will also enjoy watching electric monkey overlords than your set of forum trolls.
edit ps im flying in two teams this year. watch and weep bro
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Mr Rive
Rens 911
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.05.26 14:35:00 -
[94]
Originally by: new fgft Athonille
boy you sure won a lot of alliance tournaments
from someone who has,
shut up
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new fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.05.27 07:15:00 -
[95]
Edited by: new fgft Athonille on 27/05/2011 07:17:05
Originally by: Mr Rive
Originally by: new fgft Athonille
boy you sure won a lot of alliance tournaments
from someone who has,
shut up
they should have bought a spot or are you telling me their smug posting about their vast wealth and all the photoshopped wallet pictures were just lies. hell i dont consider myself rich but i could swing atleast fourty billion to buy a spot easily.
they can suck it. its a better tournament without them anyhow.
i will enjoy watching majesta aliance in the tournament this year rather than inactive forum trolls.
edit do you notice nobody is spamming with me with the typical u mad responses. they know for a fact dystopia hasnt added anything to the eve culture this past year and there is no way they were even active enough to grief anybody.
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Scythus Aratan
Poseidon's Wingmen
Perihelion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.27 09:15:00 -
[96]
Originally by: new fgft Athonille
Edited by: new fgft Athonille on 27/05/2011 07:17:05
Originally by: Mr Rive
Originally by: new fgft Athonille
boy you sure won a lot of alliance tournaments
from someone who has,
shut up
they should have bought a spot or are you telling me their smug posting about their vast wealth and all the photoshopped wallet pictures were just lies. hell i dont consider myself rich but i could swing atleast fourty billion to buy a spot easily.
they can suck it. its a better tournament without them anyhow.
i will enjoy watching majesta aliance in the tournament this year rather than inactive forum trolls.
edit do you notice nobody is spamming with me with the typical u mad responses. they know for a fact dystopia hasnt added anything to the eve culture this past year and there is no way they were even active enough to grief anybody.
I bet this guy is a Tyraxx alt.
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