Originally by: MrCaptAwsm

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Oh look, so in the future, everyone will still be terrible at creating user interfaces.

MY IMMERSION

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Originally by: Caldorous

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Originally by: MrCaptAwsm

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Oh look, so in the future, everyone will still be terrible at creating user interfaces.

MY IMMERSION

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UI's will be never completely well done

Btw... this change is compulsory? Or if we want we'll be able to retain simplicity and use the good old hangar view?

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WeÆre also testing a small change aimed at rookies that disables closing tutorials until youÆre through the skill training tutorial.

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Originally by: Sporked

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EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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WeÆre also testing a small change aimed at rookies that disables closing tutorials until youÆre through the skill training tutorial.

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Please fire whoever suggested this. Having to tell five different windows to shut up about how to warp to a gate every time I make a new alt is painful enough. Now I will have to click through the entire tutorial, or even do all the crap it wants me to do?

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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WeÆre also testing a small change aimed at rookies that disables closing tutorials until youÆre through the skill training tutorial.

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Please fire whoever suggested this. Having to tell five different windows to shut up about how to warp to a gate every time I make a new alt is painful enough. Now I will have to click through the entire tutorial, or even do all the crap it wants me to do?

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Originally by: Brokers Clone

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In the shot of the guy sitting on the couch, looking at the holo

GET
RID
OF
THAT
flippin
ASH TRAY!!!!!

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Originally by: Viktor Resnov

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Oh hey, gotta download 4gb to test this out for 3 minutes.

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Originally by: HyperZerg

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So, you finally show us, that you want microtransactions.

You know, most of the players already have more then 1 account ?
So most of us already paying double and tripple, and now you want us to pay even more ?

Make the game free to play or NO Microtransactions. Both WILL destroy the game. Or in a better meaning, bring players to cancel accounts to "pay" you stuff.

Go on Blizz ... eh CCP

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Originally by: Lev Aeris

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I can't spin my ship.

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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar

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Why are the characters unarmed?

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Originally by: flapie 2

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I vote to keep the old station interface alive, this video is starting to look to much like a new interface and the removal of the old station interface as we know it now. Witch i would personaly dislike, as i grown costum to the interface that we use now.

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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WeÆre also testing a small change aimed at rookies that disables closing tutorials until youÆre through the skill training tutorial.

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Please fire whoever suggested this. Having to tell five different windows to shut up about how to warp to a gate every time I make a new alt is painful enough. Now I will have to click through the entire tutorial, or even do all the crap it wants me to do?

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Originally by: Zhilia Mann

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Originally by: flapie 2

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I vote to keep the old station interface alive, this video is starting to look to much like a new interface and the removal of the old station interface as we know it now. Witch i would personaly dislike, as i grown costum to the interface that we use now.

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This. I'm rather upset that you're revamping the station interface. It's not the cleanest thing in the world but it gets the job done like no other -- and all I'm seeing here is more clutter and horrible issues for lower end graphics cards.

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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Originally by: Lolmer

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Here are some great videos to give an idea of the ship scale:
Amarr
Gallente

We should be able to zoom in/out of the hangar view as well as move the camera around (or perhaps take a shuttle to fly around our ship to view it, or even the station to see what ships other folks have (and see what fittings they are using for when they undock into our station camp ;))).

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Originally by: EdwardNardella

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I think it is important that you should be able to see lots of the ship when viewing it but I do believe they need to occupy a greater part of our view.

Another poster mentioned shuttles going too and from ships. I believe this should enhance the sense of scale because when a large shuttle arrives at the side of a battle ship it will be a tiny speck.

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Originally by: HyperZerg

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So, you finally show us, that you want microtransactions.

You know, most of the players already have more then 1 account ?
So most of us already paying double and tripple, and now you want us to pay even more ?

Make the game free to play or NO Microtransactions. Both WILL destroy the game. Or in a better meaning, bring players to cancel accounts to "pay" you stuff.

Go on Blizz ... eh CCP

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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is there an opt out option yet?

I mean I can't wait to go walking in stations I just can't see the new system being better for a quick dock, ???, profit

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Originally by: Eurynomos

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If I have to walk across the damn station to turn in a mission or empty my cargo, I will quit.

Star Trek Online did the same thing, and became a walking simulator, no one enjoys walking anywhere, especially if you just need to complete a mission and pick up a new one. Having to walk to 5 different "rooms" will ruin the game.

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There is also an issue with the new turrets.

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Originally by: Selar Nox

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I also see this as a great opportunity to show the different sizes of ships. Please don't miss this opportunity by placing different ship sizes at different distances!!

For me it wouldn't be necessary to be able to walk right to the ships hull, but adding some kind of indirect comparison to us pilots, like an animation of another small ship (e.g. shuttle) passing by the balcony and heading to the ship or the already mentioned working crews at or entering/leaving the distant ship (if they are still visible).

I also don't see it absolutely necessary to be able to see the entire ship from the balcony. We see our ships in their full size every time we are in space, but what we don't get is some sense of scale. If it is really important to you to be able to see the entire ship in hangar add an extra "camera view" where everyone can spin their ship again.

But let me repeat my most important point: Please, please don't ruin the sense of scale by placing ships of different sizes at different distances!

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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK

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Originally by: Selar Nox

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I also see this as a great opportunity to show the different sizes of ships. Please don't miss this opportunity by placing different ship sizes at different distances!!

For me it wouldn't be necessary to be able to walk right to the ships hull, but adding some kind of indirect comparison to us pilots, like an animation of another small ship (e.g. shuttle) passing by the balcony and heading to the ship or the already mentioned working crews at or entering/leaving the distant ship (if they are still visible).

I also don't see it absolutely necessary to be able to see the entire ship from the balcony. We see our ships in their full size every time we are in space, but what we don't get is some sense of scale. If it is really important to you to be able to see the entire ship in hangar add an extra "camera view" where everyone can spin their ship again.

But let me repeat my most important point: Please, please don't ruin the sense of scale by placing ships of different sizes at different distances!

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But if they don't, pilots of smaller ships cannot appreciate the look of their ship since it's a speck far off in the distance.

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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done

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Originally by: Chruker

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Anybody else seeing this going towards largest-feature-ever that'll never get used?

So far this is just looking like a tech demo...

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Originally by: Davon Kastire

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The only issue I have is Aura's voice. It sounds cheap and computerized other than played by a real person like in pre-Apocrypha. (or at least it sounded like a real person, if not then this remake is cheaper than I though)

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Originally by: Gun Hog

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Please, For the love of Caldari...PLEASE make this optional. Captain's Quarters is HORRIBLY LAGGY for me, and it is not any better now than it was with the first Duality test. I cannot even run the Character Creator properly. I get 2 seconds per frame.

I do not think CCP is going to be able to optimize CQ enough for me to be able to use it. Believe me when I say that when I try to walk, I cannot even tell when and where I am moving.

High settings, low settings, medium settings, they are all unplayable.

I beg you, any Dev reading this, please just leave me an option to use standard station environment with my ship. My computer cannot handle CQ and it will become a barrier to me doing anything in a station.

Hardware:
Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz HT (Socket 478)
3GB PC3200 DDR RAM
Nvidia 7800GS (AGP)

It runs the rest of EVE well enough for me to play with only moderate issues. CQ is basically dead for me.

To any CCP Dev reading this:
Will CQ be a required and permanent replacement for the station environments?

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Originally by: Callimminniss Prdsk

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I'm looking forward to it, but

There's no guarantee my hardware can support Incarna; if not, will I be able to suspend my account until my machinery is up to scratch? After the Trinity (?) engine was introduced I had to stop play with many months' subscription paid up front, which was was just so much money and time lost.

Suspension would at least mean I don't have to pay to get back into a game that I've already paid for.

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Originally by: Selar Nox

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I also see this as a great opportunity to show the different sizes of ships. Please don't miss this opportunity by placing different ship sizes at different distances!!

For me it wouldn't be necessary to be able to walk right to the ships hull, but adding some kind of indirect comparison to us pilots, like an animation of another small ship (e.g. shuttle) passing by the balcony and heading to the ship or the already mentioned working crews at or entering/leaving the distant ship (if they are still visible).

I also don't see it absolutely necessary to be able to see the entire ship from the balcony. We see our ships in their full size every time we are in space, but what we don't get is some sense of scale. If it is really important to you to be able to see the entire ship in hangar add an extra "camera view" where everyone can spin their ship again.

But let me repeat my most important point: Please, please don't ruin the sense of scale by placing ships of different sizes at different distances!

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Originally by: kabaos

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100% I agree with this idea .. You don't feel the depth of the ship, how he is huge

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Originally by: Selar Nox

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I also don't see it absolutely necessary to be able to see the entire ship from the balcony. We see our ships in their full size every time we are in space, but what we don't get is some sense of scale. If it is really important to you to be able to see the entire ship in hangar add an extra "camera view" where everyone can spin their ship again.

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Originally by: Jowen Datloran

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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 23/05/2011 08:24:37

Originally by: Selar Nox

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I also don't see it absolutely necessary to be able to see the entire ship from the balcony. We see our ships in their full size every time we are in space, but what we don't get is some sense of scale. If it is really important to you to be able to see the entire ship in hangar add an extra "camera view" where everyone can spin their ship again.

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So well thought out. And there could even be an option to select between 'balcony' and 'camera view' as default docking view and everybody would be happy because they would be able to opt-in and out of Incarna as they please.

But, sadly, I have no hope for such awesomeness ever being implemented.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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So, go do your space battles, who is keeping you?

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Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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So, go do your space battles, who is keeping you?

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Well seems like i have to walk around to actually do the stuff i used to in hangar view. So CQ is actually just a timesink for me. And even though there might be people who don't have other responsibilities, i know many eve players are a mature crowd who often have families, so play time is limited. Then i really don't want to waste my time walking to what was once a mouse click away.

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Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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So, go do your space battles, who is keeping you?

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Well seems like i have to walk around to actually do the stuff i used to in hangar view. So CQ is actually just a timesink for me. And even though there might be people who don't have other responsibilities, i know many eve players are a mature crowd who often have families, so play time is limited. Then i really don't want to waste my time walking to what was once a mouse click away.

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Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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So, go do your space battles, who is keeping you?

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Well seems like i have to walk around to actually do the stuff i used to in hangar view. So CQ is actually just a timesink for me. And even though there might be people who don't have other responsibilities, i know many eve players are a mature crowd who often have families, so play time is limited. Then i really don't want to waste my time walking to what was once a mouse click away.

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As with the previous Incarna dev blog IÆll be answering your questions in the forum comment thread.

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Originally by: LegendaryFrog

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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I'm with this guy. The scale of ships in the EvE universe is an amazing thing, and a huge point of awe for people new to the game (just show somebody who has never heard anything about eve one of those ship size comparison posters and watch them get excited).

EvE has never really done a great job showcasing that sense of scale, and this is the perfect opportunity to do so. Allow the player to walk right up to the side of the ships. You would only have to show a small portion of most of the ships, due to the massive actual sizes of these things. I think scale is far more important that being able to see the entire ship, at least from an immersion perspective (which is what this is all about, right?)

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Originally by: Minsc

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Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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So, go do your space battles, who is keeping you?

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Well seems like i have to walk around to actually do the stuff i used to in hangar view. So CQ is actually just a timesink for me. And even though there might be people who don't have other responsibilities, i know many eve players are a mature crowd who often have families, so play time is limited. Then i really don't want to waste my time walking to what was once a mouse click away.

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Uh you don't have to take a single step in incarna to access the ship fittings or your hangar, all of the old buttons are still there so if you need to do a quick ship fitting and get right out again you can no problem. Unless you were willfully ignoring the presence of those buttons when you logged in to test it. But of course you didn't even log in to test it out because that would totally defeat the purpose of your whine now wouldn't it.

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Originally by: Razin

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We really need to keep the current hangar view and have the disembarking done via the station interface command. This was one of the top requests in the Duality CQ test feedback thread.

There is no good reason to be forced to leave your ship EVERY TIME you dock.

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Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer

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As with the previous Incarna dev blog IÆll be answering your questions in the forum comment thread.

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Yup!

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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The ships are still too far away. Yes, it's a tiny step in the right direction but nothing compared to the awe-inspiring demo we saw several years ago.

Ambulation Demo

Put our ships right next to the walkway. There should be shuttlecraft going to and from our ship, to show us we actually have a crew on that thing. I still don't understand how it's so hard to make things animate in the Eve Universe...

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Originally by: aFiveH Galintceo

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I'm not lucky enough to have an uber-spec machine, but what I have will give me reasonable fps on low graphics settings and overview items. I hope that the in-station graphics will be suitably scalable so that I can continue to play. I would hate to find that in-station use of important menus/actions became impossible due to lag, especially considering that fancy in-station graphics is basically unimportant fluff that I would happily live without.

For me, I will always take functionality over fancy graphics, especially when the potential for lag is involved.

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Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara

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Originally by: Razin

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We really need to keep the current hangar view and have the disembarking done via the station interface command. This was one of the top requests in the Duality CQ test feedback thread.

There is no good reason to be forced to leave your ship EVERY TIME you dock.

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QFT. Sometimes a pilot docks her ship to do a quick refit or pick-up an item and quickly turn-around to undock.

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Originally by: Minsc

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Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara

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Originally by: Razin

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We really need to keep the current hangar view and have the disembarking done via the station interface command. This was one of the top requests in the Duality CQ test feedback thread.

There is no good reason to be forced to leave your ship EVERY TIME you dock.

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QFT. Sometimes a pilot docks her ship to do a quick refit or pick-up an item and quickly turn-around to undock.

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You can still do that. The first thing that loads up when you dock is the station interface, this gives you access to all of the services and buttons you have now and the incarna station enviroment loads up IN THE BACKGROUND. It doesn't interfere with any actions taken while it is loading up so you can dock up and swap ships just like before.

Honestly though on any decent spec machine it only takes a few seconds longer than the old station enviroments to load up, and that's before optimisation.

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Originally by: MrCaptAwsm

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Oh look, so in the future, everyone will still be terrible at creating user interfaces.

MY IMMERSION

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Originally by: Brokers Clone

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In the shot of the guy sitting on the couch, looking at the holo

GET
RID
OF
THAT
flippin
ASH TRAY!!!!!

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Originally by: Everseeker

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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash

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WeÆre also testing a small change aimed at rookies that disables closing tutorials until youÆre through the skill training tutorial.

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Please fire whoever suggested this. Having to tell five different windows to shut up about how to warp to a gate every time I make a new alt is painful enough. Now I will have to click through the entire tutorial, or even do all the crap it wants me to do?

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^QFT
^What he said
^etc...etc...etc...

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