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Roderak Pleem
Minmatar
Abandoned Land
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:37:00 -
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I was just reading this thread on piracy:
Piracy
With regards to motivations on why a person does what they do, good thread btw.
I've thought for a while now that for a lot of people their killboard stats are their primary motivating factor rather than ISK itself.
My question is, if Eve had an official killboard which showed all of your kills and losses (even losses to gate/station guns or CONCORD) that all players could view (like corp history) would that change your style of play in any way?
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Alexis Prey
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:44:00 -
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If I was a miner/carebear, I wouldn't really care. I'd hope it stays empty.
If I was some wannabe who wanted to help my ego, I'd use alt accounts to give me free kills.
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Vicious OuTLaW
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Posted - 2011.05.21 02:53:00 -
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no. I could care less about killboards.
The only reason I don't engage 1v 20 is just because that would give pleasure to the opposing blob, not my killboard stats.
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Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.21 04:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Roderak Pleem
would that change your style of play in any way?
not really. It might affect some players if ccp made the "score" of a kill more front and center.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.21 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring
no. I could care less about killboards.
The only reason I don't engage 1v 20 is just because that would give pleasure to the opposing blob, not my killboard stats.
And that is why you'd never be accepted into Python... I engaged a blob of Hurricanes in my Myrm, almost got through 1's shield 
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Ziaxi
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Posted - 2011.05.21 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring
no. I could care less about killboards.
Right, so you care a bit. Ok.
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new fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.05.21 09:00:00 -
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Anybody serious about pvp has an api updated killboard, so for the serious players, no change whatsoever.
the scum of the game, the carebears and the terrible pvpers, you know the type. don't post their kills, post fake kills, would probably have to stop playing the game and would make it better for us all
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Xiozor
The Ditanian Fleet
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Posted - 2011.05.21 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Xiozor on 21/05/2011 12:19:16
Killboards are bad.
There are plenty of times where we could have jumped in, maybe gotten a few kills, most certainly die but would have a chance to have a good fight and even though we could afford to replace the battleships we were in 20x over, we decided not to go.
The FC made the call for us not to have fun PvP'ing because the more strategically sane option is to sit that fight out, and fight another, more boring and in our favour one with those same ships at a later date.
I don't care about killboard stats.
But other people do, it's what your corporation is judged on, it's what Alliances are thinking about when taking you on board, what war-dec corps will look at when on the prowl for targets, the first thing that prospective members will look at before considering joining you.
Same goes for any PvP corp I want to join, I am forced to cater to my PvP stats before I enjoy PvP'ing, I am encouraged to not solo, I am forced not to fit shiny modules on my ship, or try wacky/oddball fittings at fear of producing comedy/trophy killmails which could take potentially weeks to make up for.
I have a 6:1 ratio and a more than 90% efficiency. And I hate it. Moreover, I hate killboards.
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Triple Entendre
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2011.05.21 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Triple Entendre on 21/05/2011 12:24:19
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Herrring
no. I could care less about killboards.
The only reason I don't engage 1v 20 is just because that would give pleasure to the opposing blob, not my killboard stats.
And that is why you'd never be accepted into Python... I engaged a blob of Hurricanes in my Myrm, almost got through 1's shield
Don't you guys shoot at bait like it's a religion? 
Imo the best way to be.
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Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.05.21 13:35:00 -
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Killboards are a tool, not a reason. Personall I use the KB to see hwo in corp is pvping and who isnt, Also to see hwo is a dumbazz and cant watch local/intel when ratting.
As a PVP corp I think it is necessary to do what I do, though I dont punish people for losing in pvp, all pvp is applauded. Losses by getting yourself ganked due to stupid.. Thats another matter, and the KB lets me see that.
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Ridley Tree
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 22/05/2011 11:02:58
Originally by: Roderak Pleem
My question is, if Eve had an official killboard which showed all of your kills and losses (even losses to gate/station guns or CONCORD) that all players could view (like corp history) would that change your style of play in any way?
No
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Brusanan on 22/05/2011 11:45:48
Originally by: Xiozor
Edited by: Xiozor on 21/05/2011 12:19:16
Killboards are bad.
There are plenty of times where we could have jumped in, maybe gotten a few kills, most certainly die but would have a chance to have a good fight and even though we could afford to replace the battleships we were in 20x over, we decided not to go.
The FC made the call for us not to have fun PvP'ing because the more strategically sane option is to sit that fight out, and fight another, more boring and in our favour one with those same ships at a later date.
I don't care about killboard stats.
But other people do, it's what your corporation is judged on, it's what Alliances are thinking about when taking you on board, what war-dec corps will look at when on the prowl for targets, the first thing that prospective members will look at before considering joining you.
Same goes for any PvP corp I want to join, I am forced to cater to my PvP stats before I enjoy PvP'ing, I am encouraged to not solo, I am forced not to fit shiny modules on my ship, or try wacky/oddball fittings at fear of producing comedy/trophy killmails which could take potentially weeks to make up for.
I have a 6:1 ratio and a more than 90% efficiency. And I hate it. Moreover, I hate killboards.
Sounds like you are using killboards as a scapegoat.
If the FC decided to avoid engagements, and even if killboard stats were the reason, it is still the FCs fault for being a *****.
Your argument against killboard stats when it comes to recruitment is basically "It tells potential recruiters all of the things I might not necessarily want them to know about me!". The killboard stats are used by recruiting corps to determine if you are a fit for their corp. If they care about killboard stats and you don't, find a different corp to join. Seems pretty obvious to me.
It works the same in reverse. If I am considering joining a corp, I will look at their killboard stats to see if their play style matches mine. If I am looking for a corp that are leet PVPers, then I will find a corp who has good killboard stats. If I am looking for a corp that isn't necessarily amazing at PVP but sees plenty of action, killboard stats can show me that as well.
If people care about their killboard stats and work hard to keep them good, that is their right. If they don't care about them, then it doesn't matter anyway.
Really, there are no downsides at all to killboards.
Oh, and to answer the OP's question, the only downside I see to having a CCP-run killboard is that it would put all of the 3rd party killboards out of business.
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Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.22 15:30:00 -
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Oh, and to answer the OP's question, the only downside I see to having a CCP-run killboard is that it would put all of the 3rd party killboards out of business.
lol
if CCP made a killboard it would be "coming soon" for 6 months then when it finally comes it'll be barebone of features & functionality and then the next patch they would bug it out somehow, causing it not to function, and it would be put on the "to do" list where it would wallow in agony for 2+ years before it's ultimately forgotten about and never fixed.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.05.23 19:12:00 -
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1v20 is a lot of fun:)
Originally by: Herrring
no. I could care less about killboards.
The only reason I don't engage 1v 20 is just because that would give pleasure to the opposing blob, not my killboard stats.
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Alexandra Stormwing
Cry Wolf.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:06:00 -
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I really have a love/hate relationship with killboards. I like them in that I can look back over time and see what I have done and be able to show other people, "Hey, look, I'm not completely terrible, can I fly with you? I'm the best cyno kestrel killer in all of Eve!"
But at the same time, for that very reason, I am more risk averse. I would love to take my ship, jump into that gang of 3, and see what happens if only for the laughs... But if I want to stand a chance of joining another piracy corp in the future, I can't do that. They would see, "Wow, this person is a complete idiot, look, he thought he could take on 3 Domis with his Incursus! What a n00b!"
I could have my own killboard and only post mails where I'm being "supr srs pvp" and not post the ones where I'm just goofing off, but then who is to say I'm simply not posting a lot of my losses? Again, missing mails on one's killboard is a good way to get told off from any prospective corps.
Killboards also encourage mail whoring. I was in a corporation for well over a year that is known to grab a target and hold it while friends move several jumps just to get on the mail.
Side note: One of many reasons I have been flying completely solo lately; I want to show that I actually can get in a fight by myself and sometimes even win.
If there was a way to show one's PvP competence, encourage taking risks, and not reward lame behavior, I'd be all for it. Killboards don't do that, unfortunately...
The benefit I can see for an official CCP Killboard is that it would be more difficult to hide your embarrassing losses, it might update more frequently, and the pricing information could be more accurate. Current killboards have atrocious pricing data, especially when it comes to faction gear.
The killboards out there right now have some cool features such as point systems, intel gathering, player PvP classifications, rankings, etc. that CCP would probably never implement.
Even if there was an official CCP board, the other boards would be better tools overall. If CCP releases a board with cool new feature X, then all the other boards will implement X in about a week in addition to their existing functionality.
It would be kind of cool for every corp to have a public, in-game killboard. Better than that generic list we have now. Make the public status optional for those who have shame. But really, that's about it.
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Johnathan Billabong
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:19:00 -
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The issue with killboards such as ones like battleclinic is that you can't really dispute fake killmails without a screenshot. Meaning unless it happened to you and is fake, it stays. Like the comply or die merc dude here earlier who was able to solo kill one Abaddon every couple minutes in an Iteron, which is just impossible from a DPS perspective.
Most of the people in the top 10k on battleclinic have artificially inflated KBs that can't be disupted because you don't have a screenshot.
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