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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.21 20:52:00 -
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So with the new item shop area appearing in CQ on duality, I've got some issues with it. Now don't get me wrong, these are omg crazy person worries, 'm going at this from the angle of "micro-transactions for vanity items are fine"
So whats my problem? Well quite simply, the complete lack of player feedback on things like prices or what will be sold. If they have the software ready, they must have a plan on paper. And I think we should have a say before it's finished.
For instance my personal opinion comes down to a future vision of eve when players want to run a clothing store or hair salon. Eve is all about real world economy. If players can just go to a item store and buy a new hair cut... then whats the point of player run hair salons! It might sound stupid to people that just want spaceshps, but I think this is an important factor for the game. CCP might be pigeon holing itself, by making the possibly of having a player run tattoo parlor, impossible with the item store in place.
Plus if you could only use for instance a hair cut once. Thus you could buy a tattoo once, and then sell it once, and now you don't have the tattoo anymore... THAT'S DUMB.
It's a design, you should be able to use it as many times as you wish. it should be like skill books, once you pop them, BAM you can use that haircut/tattoo FOREVER. Now for the genius of this simple design.
With a head full of tattoo designs you paid plex for, you could open a tattoo parlor for the players that don't want to ever touch micro transactions. Using your tattoos skills each tattoo shop would have different tattoos available, at different prices.
It might just be me, but the economy in eve is really important. the idea that everything you can buy was made by a player is really important to me. If the item was shoe was basically blueprints/skill books that taught your character how to make something, I think it would keep in the spirit of the game much better.
but most importantly, we should be allowed to see the game plan so that we can make comments like this on it, asap.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:07:00 -
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In the context of hair styles and tattoo then no it doesn't make sense to sell those onto other people, unless you like ripping layers of skin off. But for clothes and the like then there will probably be a market for it, assuming the items are sellable.
To be perfectly honest, I think you're jumping to conclusion. Actually, less jumping and more taking a flying leap. Given all we have to go on is a new shop on Duality that lacks any functionality (so far) it's a bit premature to start the arm waving just yet.
I have no doubt that it's development will be watched very closely by the community but yeah, it's far far too early to start jumping up and down about the how vanity items may or may not affect the market. --- There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. |
Fumbleface
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:21:00 -
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I would gladly pay for a character skill tree respec ability.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:39:00 -
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well with clothes same thing. The mirco transaction could be for a bp. then you need materials from planetary mining to get the materials needed to buld them to sell them in shops. mirco transactions being the only way to get said blueprints.
but you can trade/sell/destroy the blueprints.
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Axon Atom
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Posted - 2011.05.21 22:54:00 -
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I see an issue with buying clothes one at a time too.
If I want to stock my store will I have to spend 100$ bucking clothing?
and then if other players want it they have to spend real money? how would I make a profit if they could just go buy the same shirt for les than I'm offering from ccp?
I mean no one is going to buy something from my shop if for less isk they could buy a plex and then buy the same thing I'm offering at the price I paid for it.
Now if I could make 100 shirts with one purchase, other players would have the option of
A.buying the shirt bp from the store for 300 million isk to wear the shirt I'm selling
B.pay me 45 million isk for just one copy of the shirt.
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar Surface Detail
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Posted - 2011.05.21 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface I would gladly pay for a character skill tree respec ability.
Please shut up about that, you aren't ever going to get it so you may as well quit now.
Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.21 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
but most importantly, we should be allowed to see the game plan so that we can make comments like this on it, asap.
That would be easier if CCP planned stuff rather then just being a comglomerate of random hacks.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.05.22 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Isaacson
Originally by: Fumbleface I would gladly pay for a character skill tree respec ability.
Please shut up about that, you aren't ever going to get it so you may as well quit now.
Geez whatta whiney knob...
And I'll bet we will get this service someday... It's only a matter of time....
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.22 03:30:00 -
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I would like to know more about these 'mirco' transactions
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.22 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: Xavier Isaacson
Originally by: Fumbleface I would gladly pay for a character skill tree respec ability.
Please shut up about that, you aren't ever going to get it so you may as well quit now.
Geez whatta whiney knob...
And I'll bet we will get this service someday... It's only a matter of time....
as long as we have the CSM it will never happen.
of course CCP could say "f u csm" and disband them since they have no promise the csm has to be there.
but seriously, it's not gonna happen.
the only thing that MIGHT happen is the middle ground, which ccp seem to just throw on us from time to time. whch would be something lke, you can remap once your trail account is up, you'd have 20 hours to do so.
but other than that, hell no, stop being paranoid.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.05.22 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon "micro-transactions for vanity items are fine"
No they're not, for anything in Eve. RL is a big enough battle already between the have and have nots. Please don't degrade Eve to that disgusting level.
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Fumbleface
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Posted - 2011.05.22 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: Xavier Isaacson
Originally by: Fumbleface I would gladly pay for a character skill tree respec ability.
Please shut up about that, you aren't ever going to get it so you may as well quit now.
Geez whatta whiney knob...
And I'll bet we will get this service someday... It's only a matter of time....
as long as we have the CSM it will never happen.
of course CCP could say "f u csm" and disband them since they have no promise the csm has to be there.
but seriously, it's not gonna happen.
the only thing that MIGHT happen is the middle ground, which ccp seem to just throw on us from time to time. whch would be something lke, you can remap once your trail account is up, you'd have 20 hours to do so.
but other than that, hell no, stop being paranoid.
There really isn't a convincing enough reason(s) why it shouldn't happen. One good reason why it should happen though is money..people paying for this kind of service.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.22 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: MotherMoon "micro-transactions for vanity items are fine"
No they're not, for anything in Eve. RL is a big enough battle already between the have and have nots. Please don't degrade Eve to that disgusting level.
I don't think we're playing the same game.
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.05.22 06:07:00 -
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You can buy PLEX with ISK just as well as you can with RL cash. Why does everyone keep forgetting this?
But i also think some kind of way for player run shops to provide certain 'vanity' services would be good.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.05.22 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface
Originally by: MotherMoon as long as we have the CSM it will never happen.
of course CCP could say "f u csm" and disband them since they have no promise the csm has to be there.
but seriously, it's not gonna happen.
the only thing that MIGHT happen is the middle ground, which ccp seem to just throw on us from time to time. whch would be something lke, you can remap once your trail account is up, you'd have 20 hours to do so.
but other than that, hell no, stop being paranoid.
There really isn't a convincing enough reason(s) why it shouldn't happen. One good reason why it should happen though is money..people paying for this kind of service.
Given the community backlash when CCP tried to impliment PLEX for a neural remap I think we're fairly safe for the time being. --- There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.22 08:30:00 -
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Hello MotherMoon,
I personally agree with you on the necessity of player feedback, and so does CCP Zinfandel. Once we have something to show, we will put in on a test server in order to get your comments and suggestions.
I know that CSM had a related session during their recent summit, so they might have something to share as well.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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theRaptor
Caldari Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2011.05.22 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: MotherMoon "micro-transactions for vanity items are fine"
No they're not, for anything in Eve. RL is a big enough battle already between the have and have nots. Please don't degrade Eve to that disgusting level.
Are you new or something? I can PVP for months by paying RL money for 2x PLEX and selling them for ISK. Heaps of people roam around in 0.0 in faction BS, fitted with faction mods, something that only the stupid mega ultra rich T2 BPO owners used to do before PLEX.
Even if RL cash for ISK didn't exist those who can afford to play EvE more* get more rewards.
Anyway, if you were really one of the have nots you wouldn't be playing EvE in the first place. Even poor people in Western countries are in the top tier of the worlds population. Unless you are scavenging food out of bins and living under a tarp you aren't a "have not".
* Either because they live in a Communist paradise like Australia or because they are "independently wealthy".
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.22 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/05/2011 09:25:09
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Hello MotherMoon,
I personally agree with you on the necessity of player feedback, and so does CCP Zinfandel. Once we have something to show, we will put in on a test server in order to get your comments and suggestions.
I know that CSM had a related session during their recent summit, so they might have something to share as well.
Alright. I have to admit having the CSm save me from a lot of heart attacks. I'm personally the trusting type. :P but I work in the industry and I know how sometimes you can design yourself into a corner. Thankfully the CSM get to see what your doing before the rest of us.
I look forward to giving feedback. I'm glad you have this in the pipeline before it goes live. You all must understand what a sensitive subject it really is.
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Originally by: Bane Necran You can buy PLEX with ISK just as well as you can with RL cash. Why does everyone keep forgetting this? But i also think some kind of way for player run shops to provide certain 'vanity' services would be good.
see this is actuality the only worry I have. if i buy a jack for say, 2$. Now I want to have a clothing store. So what do I charge for the jacket? I could charge more than I got it for. say 2$ is wroth 50million isk. I could charge 60 million isk to make a profit. But whats stopping my customer from buying a plex for isk, and getting it cheaper from the item store directly?
There needs to be some incentive to the item store. Like item store only sells bulk. So buying something from the item store without having it in mind to resell is not worth it. So you can only buy jackets in chunks of 100.
well, we will see soon. : )
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Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr eve-universe.net
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Posted - 2011.05.22 10:43:00 -
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* Either because they live in a Communist paradise like Australia or because they are "independently wealthy".
lolwut? professional web development for the eve community |
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CCP Zinfandel
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Posted - 2011.05.22 10:53:00 -
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To use an analogy, what you can see on Duality is not really a store yet. It's just the frame of the half-built building that will be the store. But the next build of the game which should be installed this week, then internally tested, then opened up for player testing, does have enough store built to function for testing.
Are all the goods ready? No but most of them are far enough along. We will load a big chunk of them into the store for you to test and give feedback.
Also, keep your eyes open for any CSM reports from this week or any invitations to a fireside chat. Especially the fireside chats, actually. You can listen to what the CSM says and ask any questions of them. I'm pretty sure that 90+% of your questions have also been asked by those guys and they will have a good answer for you. Use them. They are a part of your review process.
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Gothikia
Regeneration
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel To use an analogy, what you can see on Duality is not really a store yet. It's just the frame of the half-built building that will be the store. But the next build of the game which should be installed this week, then internally tested, then opened up for player testing, does have enough store built to function for testing.
Are all the goods ready? No but most of them are far enough along. We will load a big chunk of them into the store for you to test and give feedback.
Also, keep your eyes open for any CSM reports from this week or any invitations to a fireside chat. Especially the fireside chats, actually. You can listen to what the CSM says and ask any questions of them. I'm pretty sure that 90+% of your questions have also been asked by those guys and they will have a good answer for you. Use them. They are a part of your review process.
Hmm yeah, I really would like to hear what the CSM has asked about this and what answers were given. I have absolutely no problems what so ever regarding microtransactions for pure vanity items. I do however hope that it stays just for vanity items and CCP doesn't plan on introducing it for other things.
Mostly, I really would like to hear about the pricing structure regarding the vanity items. I presume there is a dev blog planned that will outline this, sooner rather than later?
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Kronir
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:15:00 -
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So where is this item shop, because I don't actually see it anywhere on Duality?
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:26:00 -
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We're going to be releasing a 'thing' once we get a chance. I feel pretty confident that it's ok for me to say 'I don't think you have anything to worry about and we're all pretty happy at the direction it went'.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat We're going to be releasing a 'thing' once we get a chance. I feel pretty confident that it's ok for me to say 'I don't think you have anything to worry about and we're all pretty happy at the direction it went'.
haha I feel like just a loyalist but I ****ing trust anything goonswarm is ok with. thanks for sharing your opinion. any word on the next fireside chat?
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:31:00 -
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I HOPE the CSM wash their hands of comment from the likes of this as I HOPE they are concentrating on the bigger picture.
Moon, if I read your request right, you want to see what CCP will HOPE to deliver down the line. You want to be involved in the design process!
What gives you the right to demand this privilege. This is their IP and their product. It is like asking Duracell to be involved in the next phase of battery design because you use their batteries!!
However - you can always buy them out. Then you WILL have a say in direction and design.
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Marara Kovacs
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:32:00 -
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I always assumed that with the advent of Incarna would come player shops, bars etc, that people can spend ISK in, that would be the obvious thing. People will still buy plex, sell the plex for ISK and spend it on stuff anyway, so it amounts to the same thing really... The idea that I would need to use plex to exchange for pseudo isk that can be spent in shops is a bit odd.
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Mike C
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Klandi I HOPE the CSM wash their hands of comment from the likes of this as I HOPE they are concentrating on the bigger picture.
Moon, if I read your request right, you want to see what CCP will HOPE to deliver down the line. You want to be involved in the design process!
What gives you the right to demand this privilege. This is their IP and their product. It is like asking Duracell to be involved in the next phase of battery design because you use their batteries!!
However - you can always buy them out. Then you WILL have a say in direction and design.
Actually, it's more like asking to be kept in the loop on the amperage of the next battery design because you have a monthly bulk order contract.
Also, **** Ayn Rand and all her horse****. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 22/05/2011 11:41:07
Originally by: Klandi I HOPE the CSM wash their hands of comment from the likes of this as I HOPE they are concentrating on the bigger picture.
Moon, if I read your request right, you want to see what CCP will HOPE to deliver down the line. You want to be involved in the design process!
What gives you the right to demand this privilege. This is their IP and their product. It is like asking Duracell to be involved in the next phase of battery design because you use their batteries!!
However - you can always buy them out. Then you WILL have a say in direction and design.
what are you going on about? CCP has time and time again brought the player base in on the design process. Companies everyday spend 1000s on getting customer feedback.
I don't what want to do CCPs job. I want to be able to test and give feedback before it goes live the same way it's usually been done. There have been some features recently, like PI, where they didn't do this due to time. and it was terrible.
The new Character creator is a prime example the whole UI changed due to player feedback.
For the most part CCP values it's palyerbase for feedback and design *look at ammar missile ships which were more or less solely designed by a player*
Look at the CSM, they want the palyers to tell CCP what we want and what we don't want.
As this is a big change, while I have faith in CCP, I'm pretty sure it won't go over well if it's jsut went live without testing. this is a controversial change! CCP isn't going to pull an NGE and suddenly f the whole player base down to 1/4th the subs.
oh, another big thing I was part of was tech 3 ships design. Day by day they changed everything about those ships on sisi due to player feedback. It was fun. CCP obviously have a commitment to the playerbase, so HTFU |
Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.05.22 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Vile rat We're going to be releasing a 'thing' once we get a chance. I feel pretty confident that it's ok for me to say 'I don't think you have anything to worry about and we're all pretty happy at the direction it went'.
haha I feel like just a loyalist but I ****ing trust anything goonswarm is ok with. thanks for sharing your opinion. any word on the next fireside chat?
ASAP honestly. Turns out some of us didn't make it off this rock before the end of days so all flights cancelled. This whole summit has in my opinion, gone amazingly well. CCP has been warm, open, and engaging. We were never talked at, we were always brought into a greater conversation and holy moley this was real work too. From here we gotta do some minutes, get them cleared for NDA stuff, then proceed to tell you guys all we can. No timeframe on this, but as soon as we can cause we're pretty excited.
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theRaptor
Caldari Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2011.05.22 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Klandi It is like asking Duracell to be involved in the next phase of battery design because you use their batteries!!
You are kidding right? Any successful company listens to the major users of their product. There might be a few hundred thousand people playing EvE, but the major users of systems like being discussed in this thread is a few hundred.
If you don't listen to those people at the start of the design phase you will end up paying many, many times more to fix things after release (this is proven engineering theory).
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