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Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.26 08:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 26/05/2011 09:06:21 Annoying as hell and you cant even kill them! We do the work by finding the targets and shooting them, at least lets us get the loot rewards as well. At least give them aggression and docking timer so we can at least shoot them!
Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.05.26 09:10:00 - [2] Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
WhyTry1 Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.05.26 10:02:00 - [3] Edited by: WhyTry1 on 26/05/2011 10:02:24 Yes this is a pain...
Nutty Grandad	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:49:00 - [4] a thief is a thief no matter how he dresses! If someone steals he should be punished...in real life and in game!! I say... no docking for 1 hour no targeting skills for 1 hour no use of stargates for 1 hour allow not only you, but also your corp and alliance instant attack for just touching your wreck or can, but not to pod him! Let him sit there for 1 hour LOL and timer should only work when in game !!! * The original Nutty Grandad** (...and yes I am)
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:58:00 - [5] Honestly, I can't argue with the logic here. Ninja Lotting is a profession in EVE sure, but so is missioning. If you can't disrupt their profession, how come they can yours? It's not like the mission pay out or bounty is worth it. The real 'loot' reward has always been the salvage, and the guys getting it, don't actually have to do anything to earn it. I say remove aggression mechanics entirely, straight across highsec, low, and null. No Concord, no station and gate guns, and nothing else. Let us sort it out, because Concord is seriously incompetent. Honestly, if EVE is going to be 100% PvP focused, then they might as well remove all that nonsense that gets in the way. Anyone who wants to make a thread on removing aggression mechanics and going all out PvP can just quote me. I'll add my support later.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.26 16:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 26/05/2011 09:49:12 Annoying as hell and you cant even kill them! Um, yes you can. Shoot em. If they loot you can shoot. If you don't want to because you think they will come back and kill you in a bigger ship, well that is your own problem.
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:02:00 - [7] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 26/05/2011 17:02:17 Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 26/05/2011 09:49:12 Annoying as hell and you cant even kill them! Um, yes you can. Shoot em. If they loot you can shoot. If you don't want to because you think they will come back and kill you in a bigger ship, well that is your own problem. No the issue is you cant shoot them when they can insta dock! They should get docking timer!
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.26 18:14:00 - [8] Edited by: Corina''s Bodyguard on 26/05/2011 18:14:24 Wait, your talking about kills outside station? Stop playing station games you fool. Then they can't instadock. Anyway, a lot of ninja looters won't dock unless locked. So they are quite easy to kill. 1) have a friend in a MWD BS bump them out of station range (generally won't warp away because they think its just someone toying with them), though this is optional 2) fit a passive targeter 3) blow the stuffing out of them
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.26 19:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 26/05/2011 19:13:33 Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard Edited by: Corina''s Bodyguard on 26/05/2011 18:14:24 Wait, your talking about kills outside station? Stop playing station games you fool. Then they can't instadock. Anyway, a lot of ninja looters won't dock unless locked. So they are quite easy to kill. 1) have a friend in a MWD BS bump them out of station range (generally won't warp away because they think its just someone toying with them), though this is optional 2) fit a passive targeter 3) blow the stuffing out of them So ill stop killing people at stations just so ninja looters can get my loot - stop posting fool! Which game are you playing? All ninja looters who are not stupid insta dock Quite simply a docking timer should be in place - tell me whats the point of having aggression if you can instantly dock? Eh? I mean everyone else who gets agression cant insta dock so why can ninja looters? It needs to be sorted simple. and the people disagreeing with this must be the ninja looters themselves
Darryl Ward	Posted - 2011.05.26 19:47:00 - [10] Sounds reasonable. While they are at it, CCP should do something to ruin station games permanently.

Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2011.05.26 20:22:00 - [11] LOL... suicide ganker whines about station humping theif stealing the loot first????
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.26 20:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Gizznitt Malikite LOL... suicide ganker whines about station humping theif stealing the loot first???? dude at least get you facts right if your gonna troll, if you must know its empire wars - sorry buts if everyone who gets agression cant dock then neither should ninja looters - its simple - unless you can come up with a good argument against then stop trolling
Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.26 21:03:00 - [13] Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 26/05/2011 21:04:26 Originally by: Nutty Grandad a thief is a thief no matter how he dresses! If someone steals he should be punished...in real life and in game!! I say... no docking for 1 hour no targeting skills for 1 hour no use of stargates for 1 hour allow not only you, but also your corp and alliance instant attack for just touching your wreck or can, but not to pod him! Let him sit there for 1 hour LOL and timer should only work when in game !!! Well since salvage is just that..."salvage" and it isn't yours to claim even if you killed the ship I guess there isn't a problem. CCP has said on many several occaisions that salvage is not the property of the person who killed the ship. End of discussion. Oh...and the OP is full of fail...just like it's writer apparently.
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.27 10:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 11:00:29 Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 26/05/2011 21:04:26 Originally by: Nutty Grandad a thief is a thief no matter how he dresses! If someone steals he should be punished...in real life and in game!! I say... no docking for 1 hour no targeting skills for 1 hour no use of stargates for 1 hour allow not only you, but also your corp and alliance instant attack for just touching your wreck or can, but not to pod him! Let him sit there for 1 hour LOL and timer should only work when in game !!! Well since salvage is just that..."salvage" and it isn't yours to claim even if you killed the ship I guess there isn't a problem. CCP has said on many several occaisions that salvage is not the property of the person who killed the ship. End of discussion. Oh...and the OP is full of fail...just like it's writer apparently. fail i think comes with OWN Alliance doesnt it? and yes salvage is fine ppl dont care about salvage - this is about LOOT!! Why dont you read properly? Or are you incapable? Look the simple fact is everyone else who gets agression cant dock so why can ninja looters? answer the bloody question rather than trolling like an attention seeking idiot? The simple fact is they should get a docking timer...fact - unless you can come up with a valid argument against
Mystical Might Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.05.27 12:10:00 - [15] Simple Fix; Move systems, or ignore them. OR, bring some corp mates along to your mission and kill them there. Just because you're incompetant and didn't think of anything other then shooting them on a station, In dock range, doesn't mean you can't kill them.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.05.27 12:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 11:00:29 Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 26/05/2011 21:04:26 Originally by: Nutty Grandad a thief is a thief no matter how he dresses! If someone steals he should be punished...in real life and in game!! I say... no docking for 1 hour no targeting skills for 1 hour no use of stargates for 1 hour allow not only you, but also your corp and alliance instant attack for just touching your wreck or can, but not to pod him! Let him sit there for 1 hour LOL and timer should only work when in game !!! Well since salvage is just that..."salvage" and it isn't yours to claim even if you killed the ship I guess there isn't a problem. CCP has said on many several occaisions that salvage is not the property of the person who killed the ship. End of discussion. Oh...and the OP is full of fail...just like it's writer apparently. fail i think comes with OWN Alliance doesnt it? and yes salvage is fine ppl dont care about salvage - this is about LOOT!! Why dont you read properly? Or are you incapable? Look the simple fact is everyone else who gets agression cant dock so why can ninja looters? answer the bloody question rather than trolling like an attention seeking idiot? The simple fact is they should get a docking timer...fact - unless you can come up with a valid argument against Because stealing is a lesser offense than shooting someone and people at the station can allow a thief inside but not a murderer ... ? http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE
Azhpol Gallente Casa Del Wombat	Posted - 2011.05.27 12:25:00 - [17] 1) fly disposable mission ships 2) suicide gank said ninja looters 3) ???? 4) profit ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main!
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.27 12:29:00 - [18] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 12:35:36 BHWAAAAAA CCP PLEASE DONT LET ME GET AGGRESSION cos then i cant be A lazy feck and steal other peoples loot, perhaps ill actually have to fight for it...or do some work BHWAAAAAAA nice alt ninja looter trolls..- keep crying.. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO INSTA DOCK
Traffic Warden Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.27 13:57:00 - [19] Oh look, it's this thread again. CCP have repeatedly stated wrecks do not belong to anyone, and salvage is supposed to be a competitive business. Loot belongs to the mission runner, and you're more than welcome to shoot at anyone who steals from you. Your work is in shooting the targets, but you get gifted the location. A ninja's work is in scanning down the location, but they get gifted the targets. You do just as much "work" as we do.
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.27 15:14:00 - [20] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 15:17:37 Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 15:17:15 Originally by: Traffic Warden Oh look, it's this thread again. CCP have repeatedly stated wrecks do not belong to anyone, and salvage is supposed to be a competitive business. Loot belongs to the mission runner, and you're more than welcome to shoot at anyone who steals from you. Your work is in shooting the targets, but you get gifted the location. A ninja's work is in scanning down the location, but they get gifted the targets. You do just as much "work" as we do. hang on - THATS WRECKS!! NOT LOOT!! You can have the wrecks for all I care - This has nothing to do with wrecks....Why quote something that isnt the issue here? Ill repeat this one more time for ppl who have less than 1 brain cell....other people get agression and CAN NOT Dock, so why can ninja looters? What is the point of giving them agression if they can insta dock and just wait out the timer? and sitting on a station just waiting for wrecks then loot and dock is not scanning down doing the work! Im sorry but ninja looters do some work? cmon thats utter BS and you know it is Again they need docking timer imposed - there is no argument here.

Zammo Bahrut Banana On A Plate	Posted - 2011.05.27 15:28:00 - [21] 1. acquire friend 2. acquire noctis / thread
Traffic Warden Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.27 15:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 15:17:37 Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 27/05/2011 15:17:15 Originally by: Traffic Warden Oh look, it's this thread again. CCP have repeatedly stated wrecks do not belong to anyone, and salvage is supposed to be a competitive business. Loot belongs to the mission runner, and you're more than welcome to shoot at anyone who steals from you. Your work is in shooting the targets, but you get gifted the location. A ninja's work is in scanning down the location, but they get gifted the targets. You do just as much "work" as we do. hang on - THATS WRECKS!! NOT LOOT!! You can have the wrecks for all I care - This has nothing to do with wrecks....Why quote something that isnt the issue here? Ill repeat this one more time for ppl who have less than 1 brain cell....other people get agression and CAN NOT Dock, so why can ninja looters? What is the point of giving them agression if they can insta dock and just wait out the timer? and sitting on a station just waiting for wrecks then loot and dock is not scanning down doing the work! Im sorry but ninja looters do some work? cmon thats utter BS and you know it is Again they need docking timer imposed - there is no argument here. I said they do as much "work" as mission runners. I'm not arguing either is particularly taxing. Getting agression from shooting at someone is very different from nicking something. It makes sense that stations would not want to admit pilots who had recently engaged in acts of agression against others. It also makes sense that they'd want to keep an eye on firefights going on in their system, and who was involved. Why would they care about random acts of petty larceny? How would they even know most of them had occurred outside of he-said-she-said type exchanges? I'm not saying internet spaceships should be hyper-realistic or anything, just that the rules remain open and logical. Please stop trying to defecate in my sandbox.
Windjammer	Posted - 2011.05.27 17:51:00 - [23] They should not be able to insta dock. An agression timer is perfectly reasonable..........even though the ninja looters will quickly adapt and the issue become moot. I mean...what are they going to do? Run back to a station so they can sit outside like a duck in a shooting gallery while waiting for a timer to let them dock? -Windjammer
Kargan Durge	Posted - 2011.05.28 02:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 26/05/2011 19:13:33 Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard Edited by: Corina''s Bodyguard on 26/05/2011 18:14:24 Wait, your talking about kills outside station? Stop playing station games you fool. Then they can't instadock. Anyway, a lot of ninja looters won't dock unless locked. So they are quite easy to kill. 1) have a friend in a MWD BS bump them out of station range (generally won't warp away because they think its just someone toying with them), though this is optional 2) fit a passive targeter 3) blow the stuffing out of them So ill stop killing people at stations just so ninja looters can get my loot - stop posting fool! Which game are you playing? All ninja looters who are not stupid insta dock Quite simply a docking timer should be in place - tell me whats the point of having aggression if you can instantly dock? Eh? I mean everyone else who gets agression cant insta dock so why can ninja looters? It needs to be sorted simple. and the people disagreeing with this must be the ninja looters themselves WTF are you smoking?! You're either brand spanking new to Eve and don't understand mechanics or you're an idiot... Scratch that we already know you're an idiot. Sounds to me like your can baiting outside a station and your ****ed off cause ppl take ur obvious bait and dock right after they loot it. Then they wait out the 15 mins and u'r SOL. Awe, poor baby. If you're talking about looting missions, last I saw, there's no Station in missions so WTF r u talking about? If u'r that peeved about it, PvP fit ur mission ship and blast him.
Alias 6322A	Posted - 2011.05.28 03:30:00 - [25] Ninja Looting is a profession, just like scamming, just like shipping drugs, just like suicide ganking. I don't do any of these because I find missions more profitable and fun with my buddies then waiting for an expensive target to roll around. (We all lack patience, don't ask how we ended up on EVE.) Short of it is this: with the new agent changes, ninja looters have their work cut out for them because mission hubs will for now on exist only because 'that's where everyone used to go'. Over time this will break down and ninjas will simply hang out around constellations with multiple lvl 4 agents. SOLUTION TO NINJAS (Salvage or Loot) -Fly with a buddy...or six. Trust me, that one ninja will try to loot just to see if you can kill him. Don't screw it up, keep an inty handy! Seriously though, bring a buddy to help salvage the room as you're in it, or fly in right after for those fleet-touchy missions. Flying solo always? You're missing out on EVE and the point of an MMO, so you're beyond help really. -Relocate to a different agent: You only have to move two ships, your mission boat and your salvage boat if you have one. Moving gear shouldn't be an issue since the second boat usually has a sizable hold. If you don't have the second boat and fly a Marauder, stop failing at salvaging your own missions while there. If you don't have any salvaging boat...why the hell are you complaining? -For the wealthy, get a few shuttles and a few mission ships dispersed around various agents and systems. Got a pesky ninja? Leave him for one of your other agents. They're all Q20 now, so just travel time at this point. It's hard to be a ninja when there's nothing to, you know, ninja. -My Favorite: Gank 'em. Most ninjas fly dirt cheap ships since they might get ganked or killed if they loot. Most fly fast ships to actually accomplish the task of ninja salvaging. If your a mission tycoon, a lost destroyer or two isn't going to keep ammo out of your battleship. Go for maximum gank and keep ten or twenty of them handy. Why? So when he comes back, you can get him again. A ninja will move on if he knows you're going to make it more trouble than the salvage is worth. TL;DR Suck it up, there are ways to deal with ninjas. They are but one challenge the game can offer. For crying out loud it's an MMO, and EVE for that matter. You'll only dumb the game down further by removing the criminal element of the game. EVE is a lawless universe, hisec and lowsec. It's not perfect-sec.
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.05.28 12:03:00 - [26] what? ♥
Danika Princip Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.05.28 16:36:00 - [27] Buy a marauder and shut the **** up.
Hermosa Diosas Ministry Of Mining And Industry	Posted - 2011.05.28 16:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Danika Princip Buy a marauder and shut the **** up. yet another trolling idiot - yeah taht helps WHEN THEY FECKING INSTA DOCK!!! Stupid idiot trolls are trolls boring...simple fact they need docking timer - anyone says otherwise give me a god damn reason...
Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Danika Princip Buy a marauder and shut the **** up. yet another trolling idiot - yeah taht helps WHEN THEY FECKING INSTA DOCK!!! Stupid idiot trolls are trolls boring...simple fact they need docking timer - anyone says otherwise give me a god damn reason... The reason is that you are making no sense, and have shouted "why can they insta dock" so many times that people are ignoring you. Reasons have already been given. Thieves can insta dock. People who shoot first can't. End of story. If you don't like it, stop shooting people around the station. If you are one of those irritating station baiters, then you will find no sympathy.
Janos Saal The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2011.05.28 19:51:00 - [30] How about no



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