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Ashurmija Caldari Hysterically Unforgiving	Posted - 2011.05.26 16:56:00 - [1] Would it make sense to do wormhole stuff in sites without setting up shop in them[ ie. nor POS, no corp members in the site, just find one, do some stuff in it, and leave]?? Would this still be profitible? How much more isk would setting up shop in a hole make you? This way you don't have to spend isk on the pos or it\s deffenses, or its fuels or any of that. I would probobly only be doing C2's though, and in a ship that I could afford to lose, until/ unless it became possible to do this in C3's as well. thoughts? Don't feed the troll's
luvmehard Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:02:00 - [2] Lot of people doing this already. Lot of people hunting those people, too.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:10:00 - [3] It's called ninja'ing wormholes and it is the ****. I set up a cloaked orca 150km off the entrance. I keep a drake, a probe, and a thrasher in the orca for the main. probe to find the WH, clear the sites with the drake, salvage in he thrasher & when its clear leave it. another will spawn within a few systems from where you found this one tomorrow. You will get good PvP opportunities, but should be able to GTFO if you don't want them. You can run the anomalies. radars, and mags like this. You can get a thorax to ninja the ladars,or if its a c3 you can just run their gravs and ladars for blue loot/salvage. The only thing I wouldnt try to ninja out of a hi sec entrance hole is actually mining the gravs, and of course I wouldn't try to ninja PI. Actually, I have thought of setting up a ninja PI toon for the lulz. That would be more work than the ISK alone is worth IMHO. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Ashurmija Caldari Hysterically Unforgiving	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:19:00 - [4] Yeah, I've taken the fact that they are being hunted into consideration, thus the cheap ship. Idealy I want a ship that I can pay off in 1-3 sites. I can start with enough capital to to offord 3-5 ship losses, if I lose more than 2 before I pay off 2 then I will find something else to do with my time/ isk haha. Don't feed the troll's
Ashurmija Caldari Hysterically Unforgiving	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:23:00 - [5] hmm Ninja wormholing huh? haha a Cloaked orca sounds pretty damn brilliant actually! xD I think I should try that out! :D Don't feed the troll's
bartos100 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:47:00 - [6] it helps to reduce the ship losses if you fit a cloak to your ship it will screw up your locking time but you can hid if they want to kill you :)
Ashurmija Caldari Hysterically Unforgiving	Posted - 2011.05.26 18:15:00 - [7] Originally by: bartos100 it helps to reduce the ship losses if you fit a cloak to your ship it will screw up your locking time but you can hid if they want to kill you :) yeah deffinatly, Again, I am just worried about scramming rat while running the sites. Don't feed the troll's
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.26 21:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Ashurmija Originally by: bartos100 it helps to reduce the ship losses if you fit a cloak to your ship it will screw up your locking time but you can hid if they want to kill you :) yeah deffinatly, Again, I am just worried about scramming rat while running the sites. C1's and 2's dont scram much. If you are luck you can find WH's with ONLY the static open so the orca will see everyone who goes in after you. Cloaks are nice but probes are needed. You can go 6/1/1 or 7/1 (missiles/utilities) . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Ashurmija Caldari Hysterically Unforgiving	Posted - 2011.05.26 21:23:00 - [9] Why can't you just have the orca do all the probing? or when you do want to probe, just refit inside the orca and switch back after you bookmark your scan results? That is good that they don't have many scramming ships though. Don't feed the troll's
Vasha Sannavah	Posted - 2011.05.26 21:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Cipher Jones The only thing I wouldnt try to ninja out of a hi sec entrance hole is actually mining the gravs, and of course I wouldn't try to ninja PI. Ninja PI?? never heard of that being done.... what is it?
Dark Cloud Dancing	Posted - 2011.05.27 08:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Vasha Sannavah Originally by: Cipher Jones The only thing I wouldnt try to ninja out of a hi sec entrance hole is actually mining the gravs, and of course I wouldn't try to ninja PI. Ninja PI?? never heard of that being done.... what is it? Ninja PI - I do this with 4 toons in a C3. Keeps me nicely in iskies. use a minimum skilled alt, cheap hauler, cloak, make sure at least one can scan a way out, set up a couple of safe spots. Set up your PI planets and just log in when u need to reset your installation or take stuff to market. I'm sure it p*sses off the locals, but in 3 months of doing this with 4 alts in the same hole I've only ever lost one Iteron III, so well worth it given the rewards of 0.0 planets. DCD
Prime Salvage	Posted - 2011.05.27 10:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Vasha Sannavah Originally by: Cipher Jones The only thing I wouldnt try to ninja out of a hi sec entrance hole is actually mining the gravs, and of course I wouldn't try to ninja PI. Ninja PI?? never heard of that being done.... what is it? A poor man's ninja cake.
Jag Hiroshii Rod Me Pod Me Spank Me Gank Me	Posted - 2011.05.27 17:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Prime Salvage Originally by: Vasha Sannavah Originally by: Cipher Jones The only thing I wouldnt try to ninja out of a hi sec entrance hole is actually mining the gravs, and of course I wouldn't try to ninja PI. Ninja PI?? never heard of that being done.... what is it? A poor man's ninja cake.
Test Build	Posted - 2011.05.28 04:06:00 - [14] This is exactly what people who live in wormholes do the majority of the time. Once your local system is empty your only option is to "Farm the Static" which is generally someone else's home. The only difference is when I leave the C2 to go home it's another WH and not K-space. The real reason for establishing a permanent presence somewhere is so that you have ready access to a particular class of holes, and you dont have to scan countless highsec systems looking for an entrance to a particular class of WH. I log in, scan out my system, find the C2 of the day, go in make my bookmarks, have a general sniff around, maybe come back after dinner...maybe not. Whereas you might, from hisec, spend 2 hours looking for a hole. It may be farmed out already, wrong class, bad system effects, highly active or whatever. Ofcourse these thing are also something that a permanent resident has to deal with, but they can just close the hole and spawn a fresh one.
Jag Hiroshii Rod Me Pod Me Spank Me Gank Me	Posted - 2011.05.28 09:51:00 - [15] Why is it ninja to PI or or work any aspect of a WH just because you're not resident. Nobody can claim WH space so it's fair game and a level playing field surely?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.28 11:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Jag Hiroshii Why is it ninja to PI or or work any aspect of a WH just because you're not resident. Nobody can claim WH space so it's fair game and a level playing field surely? You cant put your name on it through some game mechanic but you sure as hell can claim it. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Forgotten Heathen Heretical Innovations	Posted - 2011.05.28 13:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Jag Hiroshii Why is it ninja to PI or or work any aspect of a WH just because you're not resident. Nobody can claim WH space so it's fair game and a level playing field surely? Fair game, sure. All WH space is fair game, just like 0.0 space is "fair game". It's only as fair as I can make it for me since I live there. :) It's MY island. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you don't get into wormholes very often, Jag? There are alot of mechanics that make wormholes easier to defend if you already live in them. The person that allows a level playing field is a person who doesn't want to win. Most people who "live" in a wormhole consider it "theirs" due to them being the people who currently live there. If they want it to continue to be "theirs", they need to stack the playing field severely in their favor before someone else does. Mostly this involves putting up huge deathstars and building capitals where other people can't bring them in, controlling in and outbound wormholes, and generally killing anyone who comes in to "ninja" "their" sites. I have come around to consider seeing my POS on DSCAN as ample enough warning that podding will ensue. Wormholes, Asteroids, Profit! - Living In A Wormhole
Substantia Nigra	Posted - 2011.05.30 03:23:00 - [18] Awww, c'mon! Don't give me crap about it not being mine ... it's as mine as my POS guns and try-kill-every-uninvited-visitor policies allow. Sure, there's nothing in the top-left corner of my screen that offers me those sov warm-and-fuzzies but who the heck is to say that doesn't mean it's mine. Mine, mine, all mine ... until someone else bigger and meaner comes takes it away from me. I hafta agree with the previous posters. You run the sites in my beloved J123456 and you become a thief and my enemy ... for the time being. I will work to kill you, or scare you away, while I defend my turf. Same if you were silly enough to try ninja-PI in 'my' system. I can't implement sov-based system improvements, and I can't build an outpost (and a few other things that require formal sovereignty), but this is no-less my system than any claimed nullsec system. Just like nullsec this system is also at risk of rapid and bloody change of ownership if I let my guard down, or am just unlucky enough to receive the attention of a determined and overwhelmingly stronger force.
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.05.30 04:08:00 - [19] Ninja doing sites could be very profitable, maybe even better in some cases than actually living in wh. No hassle with fuel, pos operation and when you clear out wh you simply find another, you are not "bound" to one place. And about not being able to"claim" system and upgrade it like in 0.0 sov space. Anchor a can on safe with your name, you claimed it. And who says you cant upgrade a system ? Just because it has no official upgrading game mechanics it doesnt mean sandbox doesnt give you a way to upgrade your wh system. Military upgrade lv1 - Deathstar pos Military upgrade lv2 - Carrier Military upgrade lv3 - second carrier / Dread ... Industry upgrade lv1 - refining array Industry upgrade lv2 - XL hangar for storage and more ref arrays Industry upgrade lv3 - Rorqual Capital ships in w space (especially lower classes) should be looked at as structures not ships imho.
Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2011.05.30 07:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Cipher Jones It's called ninja'ing wormholes and it is the ****. I set up a cloaked orca 150km off the entrance. On the hisec side, right? If not, I hope to meet you one of these days

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