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Dave Day Amarr Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.05.27 19:42:00 - [1] OK...I don't want cheese with my whine and i'm not quitting. On the remote chance that someone other than the trolls reads this I just wanna offer the opinion of an 8 year vet here: PLEX was, as we can all see with the introduction of Aurum, simply the tip of the iceberg. PLEX didn't stop isk farming or out of game isk sales but what it did achieve was legitimising the purchase of isk with real money, CCP having figured that if they can't stop the supply, they may as well become the biggest dealer. Now we have Aurum and more of the iceberg is revealed. Indirectly, we are being invited to pay for Incarna accessories with real money. The line that CCP doesn't have the resources to create these additional items is laughable. There are literally thousands of in game items, just how many different sorts of coat are they gonna make ? This is blatant profiteering with total disregard to the integrity of the game itself. What's the point of choosing a career as a manufacturer, or a miner? Why bother reinvesting the profits into better BPO's, building an online business empire? Sign up, buy some plex or aurum...snag yourself 10 billion isk worth of shirts or monacles or something with your mastercard and put 'em on the market....job done. Let me ask you this...how long will it be before CCP realises there's real money to be made from letting people level up their skills? How soon will it be before Aurum lets you purchase trained or part trained skillbooks? Why stop at a pair of boots....how soon before you can buy a Navy Apoc with Aurum? I just don't get it....macro mining is against the EULA. I'm not talking about isk selling now, just running a mining macro to make yourself some isk that you don't intend to sell.....you can't do it. Now you're at least in game, albeit running a script (which i agree you shouldn't) but CCP say it's against the integrity of the game. However, I can wave my Mastercard and at a stroke ceate things that I can sell for billions, without going within a mile of the game, and that's OK. Well of course it is....it makes CCP money so to heck with the integrity of the game. The integrity of the game only becomes a factor it would seem if someone other than CCP will be pocketing the cash. So for those of us who siply want to play the game, build a business in Eve, work for those BPO's, make stuff, reinvest, or mine a fortune.....what's the point? Why bust my backside for 8 years when some guy with a fat wallet can just step right up to my financial game state on day one? PLEX was an awful idea and Aurum takes it even further. For god's sake CCP, if you're that greedy then just charge for incarna items and do it simply and above board without dressing it up and don't allow those items to be resold on the player market. If you really want to tap someone up for a tenner for a pair of imaginary boots then do it, hit their mastercard for a tenner and be done with it, but don't keep turning your back on the integrity of the game everytime it suits you to make a few bucks. UNIVERSAL FREELANCE - Keeping the FREE in Freelancing
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.27 19:49:00 - [2] While joe bloggs is spending all of his RL isk on eve I will be putting up buy and sell orders as well as using my growing manufacturing base to make isk for free while I go to town and watch a film then eat a wonderfull steak with a cool pint of cider.
CosDashit Palpatine Crypsus	Posted - 2011.05.27 19:54:00 - [3] Im no 8 year vet, but i have noticed a considerable drop in the availability and spamming of illegal ISK sellers. You cant stop them 100% but i certainly don't see them anymore. Good effort IMO. As for CCP trying to make money selling ISK via Plex/Aurum well whatever, after all CCP is a business and what business isn't built around the goal of turning a profit? The micro transactions is something seen all over the MMO market. I don't think its a valid argument to say a business is bad by focusing on making a profit and by doing so are somehow invalidating the integrity of their product. Additionally. I by GTC and sell PLEX to get ISK from time to time because my RL sometimes prevents me from playing the game as much as i want to. When i had more free time i could easily make enough ISK to buy PLEX and basically play for free. When that changed i saw a drastic drop in my in game currency and thus a sever limiting of what i could afford to fly. So instead of flying cheap ghetto rigged ships when i didnÆt want to, i could get ISK via PLEX and still enjoy the game as usual. Someone posted a thread recently talking about the time spent making ISK in game compared to the time spent earning RL currency and just buying GTC and selling PLEX. Depending on how much you make at your job, sometimes its far more cost effective to just go the GTC/PLEX route, and it saves you time and well in most things, ôtime = moneyö Im sorry, while I respect your point of view, I simply disagree.
Dave Day Amarr Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.05.27 20:57:00 - [4] My point is (and with all due respect to whatever time you have available to commit to the game) that participation simply doesn't equal reward / advantage. I can see why you would buy Plex, but on the other hand, and talking here purely about the integrity / realism of the game universe. What incentive is there for me to get in and play for hours, when you can simply go get some PLEX and sell it for isk when you've done watching TV? UNIVERSAL FREELANCE - Keeping the FREE in Freelancing
visableone	Posted - 2011.05.27 20:59:00 - [5] erm no ccp,. just no,. i allready pay a monthly subscription,. now your saying i have to pay more to be able to get extra items?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:01:00 - [6] Originally by: visableone erm no ccp,. just no,. i allready pay a monthly subscription,. now your saying i have to pay more to be able to get extra items? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1517680 BOYCOTT the items then. I plan on doing that.
Adelain Niska Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:03:00 - [7] Originally by: CosDa*** Palpatine* Im no 8 year vet, but i have noticed a considerable drop in the availability and spamming of illegal ISK sellers. You cant stop them 100% but i certainly don't see them anymore. Good effort IMO. As for CCP trying to make money selling ISK via Plex/Aurum well whatever, after all CCP is a business and what business isn't built around the goal of turning a profit? The micro transactions is something seen all over the MMO market. I don't think its a valid argument to say a business is bad by focusing on making a profit and by doing so are somehow invalidating the integrity of their product. Additionally. I by GTC and sell PLEX to get ISK from time to time because my RL sometimes prevents me from playing the game as much as i want to. When i had more free time i could easily make enough ISK to buy PLEX and basically play for free. When that changed i saw a drastic drop in my in game currency and thus a sever limiting of what i could afford to fly. So instead of flying cheap ghetto rigged ships when i didnÆt want to, i could get ISK via PLEX and still enjoy the game as usual. Someone posted a thread recently talking about the time spent making ISK in game compared to the time spent earning RL currency and just buying GTC and selling PLEX. Depending on how much you make at your job, sometimes its far more cost effective to just go the GTC/PLEX route, and it saves you time and well in most things, ôtime = moneyö Im sorry, while I respect your point of view, I simply disagree. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This ---- My reputation is not solid.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Adelain Niska Originally by: CosDa*** Palpatine* Im no 8 year vet, but i have noticed a considerable drop in the availability and spamming of illegal ISK sellers. You cant stop them 100% but i certainly don't see them anymore. Good effort IMO. As for CCP trying to make money selling ISK via Plex/Aurum well whatever, after all CCP is a business and what business isn't built around the goal of turning a profit? The micro transactions is something seen all over the MMO market. I don't think its a valid argument to say a business is bad by focusing on making a profit and by doing so are somehow invalidating the integrity of their product. Additionally. I by GTC and sell PLEX to get ISK from time to time because my RL sometimes prevents me from playing the game as much as i want to. When i had more free time i could easily make enough ISK to buy PLEX and basically play for free. When that changed i saw a drastic drop in my in game currency and thus a sever limiting of what i could afford to fly. So instead of flying cheap ghetto rigged ships when i didnÆt want to, i could get ISK via PLEX and still enjoy the game as usual. Someone posted a thread recently talking about the time spent making ISK in game compared to the time spent earning RL currency and just buying GTC and selling PLEX. Depending on how much you make at your job, sometimes its far more cost effective to just go the GTC/PLEX route, and it saves you time and well in most things, ôtime = moneyö Im sorry, while I respect your point of view, I simply disagree. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^ ^ I have nothing intellectual to add either, so I will just agree with the idiot above me.
Zoroa Aulx-Gao Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:07:00 - [9] Originally by: visableone erm no ccp,. just no,. i allready pay a monthly subscription,. now your saying i have to pay more to be able to get extra items? Yes, items that are purely cosmetic which will provide CCP an extra stream of income from those that choose to purchase them. Why is this so annoying? Do you know how much worse it could be?
cyndrogen	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:08:00 - [10] Integrity = adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty. Are you sure you're playing EVE online?
Arte 4S Corporation	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:08:00 - [11] Originally by: visableone erm no ccp,. just no,. i allready pay a monthly subscription,. now your saying i have to pay more to be able to get extra items? You don't have to do squat. There is absolutely no disadvantage to you if you choose to ignore the option to buy clothes for your avatar. Also, if you truly saw some disadvantage in not having extra clothes/a monacle for your avatar then you can buy them off the market for isk while someone else pays the cash for the new currency. And to the OP. As someone above me said, the opportunity to buy plex is a good thing. It's the only reason I can play the game at the moment as R/L cash is a bit low at the moment despite a full time job. (that's what a large family does for you!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Whisper "So you're going to have to do some actual thinking..."
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:08:00 - [12] Edited by: Miilla on 27/05/2011 21:08:51 Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Originally by: visableone erm no ccp,. just no,. i allready pay a monthly subscription,. now your saying i have to pay more to be able to get extra items? Yes, items that are purely cosmetic which will provide CCP an extra stream of income from those that choose to purchase them. Why is this so annoying? Do you know how much worse it could be? They ruined the toon I play on so why would I waste money now on that toon in clothing? If they let me change bloodline avatars, fine. I MIGHT buy an item. You cannot put lipstick on a pig and call it Barbie.
Dave Day Amarr Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:11:00 - [13] Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:56 Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:15 I'm not happy with them selling these items but so long as it's cash that can't get back into the game i'm OK (ish) with it. My gripe is the fact that this is yet another avenue for real cash to get turned into ISK. My answer to all those in favour of this is simply: If Andy Murray could buy his way into the French open final or if Man Utd could buy an extra 10 points at the end of the football season, would I blame them? probably not. Would it be good for the integrity of those sports? Absolutely not. Should the people taking the money be the organisers of those events? the custodians of the game? Clearly not. It's not the players fault, it's CCP's. As custodians of this game they shouldn't give people a leg up for money, any more than the French open organisers or the footbll association should. UNIVERSAL FREELANCE - Keeping the FREE in Freelancing
Zoroa Aulx-Gao Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Dave Day Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:15 I'm not happy with them selling these items but so long as it's cash that can't get back into the game i'm OK (ish) with it. My gripe is the fact that this is yet another avenue for real cash to get turned into ISK. My answer to all those in favour of this is simply: If Andy Murray could buy his way into the French open final or if Man Utd could buy an extra 10 points at the end of the football season, would I blame them? probably not. Would it be good for the integrity of those sports? Absolutely not. Should the people taking the money be the organisers of those events? the custodians of the game? Clearly not. It's not the players fault, it's CCP's. As custodians of this game they shouldn't give people a leg up for money, an more than the French open organisers or the footbll association should. The items that will be up for sale do not give you an advantage in the way you seem to be describing it. It's not a leg up, it's a monacle... a hat... a top.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Dave Day Stuff... Things change. What ya gonna do???
visableone	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:16:00 - [16] i wondered why ccp did a half job with the options and accessories in the new char creation,. but it wasnt that at all. its was just a prelude to a scam, plain and simple i ask why,. why to we have to pay extra, why wasnt this all inclued when char creation came out. and to the defending parties, i consider eve as a whole, i know a monicule dosnt have any real effect on gameplay,. but it is there,. and therefore a aprt of it,. and i allready pay!!!
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Dave Day Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:56 Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:15 I'm not happy with them selling these items but so long as it's cash that can't get back into the game i'm OK (ish) with it. My gripe is the fact that this is yet another avenue for real cash to get turned into ISK. My answer to all those in favour of this is simply: If Andy Murray could buy his way into the French open final or if Man Utd could buy an extra 10 points at the end of the football season, would I blame them? probably not. Would it be good for the integrity of those sports? Absolutely not. Should the people taking the money be the organisers of those events? the custodians of the game? Clearly not. It's not the players fault, it's CCP's. As custodians of this game they shouldn't give people a leg up for money, any more than the French open organisers or the footbll association should. Its clothing... You are not going to be taking down a titan because you have a monocole.
Nisanthro	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Originally by: Dave Day Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:15 I'm not happy with them selling these items but so long as it's cash that can't get back into the game i'm OK (ish) with it. My gripe is the fact that this is yet another avenue for real cash to get turned into ISK. My answer to all those in favour of this is simply: If Andy Murray could buy his way into the French open final or if Man Utd could buy an extra 10 points at the end of the football season, would I blame them? probably not. Would it be good for the integrity of those sports? Absolutely not. Should the people taking the money be the organisers of those events? the custodians of the game? Clearly not. It's not the players fault, it's CCP's. As custodians of this game they shouldn't give people a leg up for money, an more than the French open organisers or the footbll association should. The items that will be up for sale do not give you an advantage in the way you seem to be describing it. It's not a leg up, it's a monacle... a hat... a top. The point is you can make ISK selling the hat that you bought for real cash.
Zoroa Aulx-Gao Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Nisanthro Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Originally by: Dave Day Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:15 I'm not happy with them selling these items but so long as it's cash that can't get back into the game i'm OK (ish) with it. My gripe is the fact that this is yet another avenue for real cash to get turned into ISK. My answer to all those in favour of this is simply: If Andy Murray could buy his way into the French open final or if Man Utd could buy an extra 10 points at the end of the football season, would I blame them? probably not. Would it be good for the integrity of those sports? Absolutely not. Should the people taking the money be the organisers of those events? the custodians of the game? Clearly not. It's not the players fault, it's CCP's. As custodians of this game they shouldn't give people a leg up for money, an more than the French open organisers or the footbll association should. The items that will be up for sale do not give you an advantage in the way you seem to be describing it. It's not a leg up, it's a monacle... a hat... a top. The point is you can make ISK selling the hat that you bought for real cash. Much like PLEX.
Dave Day Amarr Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:27:00 - [20] With respect, you're missing my point entirely, presumably on purpose. Yes, a monocle won't take down a Titan, that's a pretty succint observation. Please re read what I said, which is simply that the custodians of a game should not take money in return for in game items that can be sold and converted to ISK. A monocle won't take down a Titan no, but isk bought indirectly with real cash certainly can buy you something that would UNIVERSAL FREELANCE - Keeping the FREE in Freelancing
Nisanthro	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Originally by: Nisanthro Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Originally by: Dave Day Edited by: Dave Day on 27/05/2011 21:12:15 I'm not happy with them selling these items but so long as it's cash that can't get back into the game i'm OK (ish) with it. My gripe is the fact that this is yet another avenue for real cash to get turned into ISK. My answer to all those in favour of this is simply: If Andy Murray could buy his way into the French open final or if Man Utd could buy an extra 10 points at the end of the football season, would I blame them? probably not. Would it be good for the integrity of those sports? Absolutely not. Should the people taking the money be the organisers of those events? the custodians of the game? Clearly not. It's not the players fault, it's CCP's. As custodians of this game they shouldn't give people a leg up for money, an more than the French open organisers or the footbll association should. The items that will be up for sale do not give you an advantage in the way you seem to be describing it. It's not a leg up, it's a monacle... a hat... a top. The point is you can make ISK selling the hat that you bought for real cash. Much like PLEX. Exactly. Some people can buy advantage. That's the whole point.
Zoroa Aulx-Gao Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Dave Day With respect, you're missing my point entirely, presumably on purpose. Yes, a monocle won't take down a Titan, that's a pretty succint observation. Please re read what I said, which is simply that the custodians of a game should not take money in return for in game items that can be sold and converted to ISK. A monocle won't take down a Titan no, but isk bought indirectly with real cash certainly can buy you something that would Because ISK is everything, if you have lots you can kill whoever and whatever, right?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 21:35:40 Originally by: Dave Day With respect, you're missing my point entirely, presumably on purpose. [...] the custodians of a game should not take money in return for in game items that can be sold and converted to ISK. So you want CCP to stop allowing people to sell PLEX for ISK ? And GTCs too ? Originally by: Nisanthro Exactly. Some people can buy advantage. That's the whole point. So what if they can ? No, seriously, why do you care ? What do you care if player X using ship Y fitted with item set Z has whooped your ass bought any of it with hard-earned ISK as opposed to RL-cash-bought ISK via PLEX ? Your ass is still whooped either way. Or in the reverse direction, wouldn't it actually be MORE satisfying to know you caused the other guy to lose something he paid EXTRA CASH for, as opposed to just ISK ? So again, why would you oppose allowing people to buy ISK ? As long as CCP gets paid, that is, so no RMT. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Dave Day Amarr Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 21:33:43 Originally by: Dave Day With respect, you're missing my point entirely, presumably on purpose. [...] the custodians of a game should not take money in return for in game items that can be sold and converted to ISK. So you want CCP to stop allowing people to sell PLEX for ISK ? And GTCs too ? Originally by: Nisanthro Exactly. Some people can buy advantage. That's the whole point. So what if they can ? No, seriously, why do you care ? What do you care if player X using ship Y fitted with item set Z has whooped your ass bought any of it with hard-earned ISK as opposed to RL-cash-bought ISK via PLEX ? Your ass is still whooped either way. Or in the reverse direction, wouldn't it actually be MORE satisfying to know you caused the other guy to lose something he paid EXTRA CASH for, as opposed to just ISK ? If I may, i'll come back to the anaology I made earlier. If Barcelona get whoped by Man utd tomorrow whay should they care? They got whooped on the night fair and square? But what if Utd had bunged UEFA a shed load of money to PUT them in the final, they didn't even play in the preceeding rounds, do any of the hard work, they weren't there on their own footballing merits in the first place....would that be fair? The guy who whoops you with stuff he shouldn't even have but for CCP indirectly selling to him is exactly the same, he whooped you yeah, but he shouldn't have even BEEN there with the gear he whooped you with. He gave CCP a bung and they tooled him up to whoop you....and that's OK?
Scarlet des Loupes Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:41:00 - [25] Edited by: Scarlet des Loupes on 27/05/2011 21:43:27 Originally by: Dave Day The integrity of the game only becomes a factor it would seem if someone other than CCP will be pocketing the cash. So what exactly is new about this, we've had PLEX and character swaps and portrait swaps long before this, all of those made CCP extra cash? Originally by: Miilla They ruined the toon I play on so why would I waste money now on that toon in clothing? If they let me change bloodline avatars, fine. I MIGHT buy an item. It's coming (confirmed in the Dev answers thread), no ETA yet though ..
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 21:45:35 Originally by: Dave Day If I may, i'll come back to the anaology I made earlier. If Barcelona get whoped by Man utd tomorrow whay should they care? They got whooped on the night fair and square? But what if Utd had bunged UEFA a shed load of money to PUT them in the final, they didn't even play in the preceeding rounds, do any of the hard work, they weren't there on their own footballing merits in the first place....would that be fair The ACTUAL GAME between Barcelona and Manchester United would be totally and completely fair under those circumstances, since everything leading up to that particular match would be meaningless for the match itself. Also, since Barcelona was the winner up to that point and Manchester United played and beat them, well, why shouldn't they deserve the title ? Unless you admit that football in itself is more chance and circumstances rather than skill, it doesn't make a smidge of a difference. Also, last time I checked, to become champion in boxing you only need to beat the current champion, you don't need to beat each and every other boxer on the planet in that particular category. So what would be so different with football other than existing convention ?
Dave Day Amarr Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 21:45:35 Originally by: Dave Day If I may, i'll come back to the anaology I made earlier. If Barcelona get whoped by Man utd tomorrow whay should they care? They got whooped on the night fair and square? But what if Utd had bunged UEFA a shed load of money to PUT them in the final, they didn't even play in the preceeding rounds, do any of the hard work, they weren't there on their own footballing merits in the first place....would that be fair The ACTUAL GAME between Barcelona and Manchester United would be totally and completely fair under those circumstances, since everything leading up to that particular match would be meaningless for the match itself. Also, since Barcelona was the winner up to that point and Manchester United played and beat them, well, why shouldn't they deserve the title ? Unless you admit that football in itself is more chance and circumstances rather than skill, it doesn't make a smidge of a difference. Also, last time I checked, to become champion in boxing you only need to beat the current champion, you don't need to beat each and every other boxer on the planet in that particular category. So what would be so different with football other than existing convention ? I hear you, but I think your argument is flawed. Simply put, if a player is only in the same ring as you and only in contention with you because they bunged CCP some cash, then analogies aside, something's not right. You're not gonna convince me otherwise. UNIVERSAL FREELANCE - Keeping the FREE in Freelancing
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 21:45:35 Originally by: Dave Day If I may, i'll come back to the anaology I made earlier. If Barcelona get whoped by Man utd tomorrow whay should they care? They got whooped on the night fair and square? But what if Utd had bunged UEFA a shed load of money to PUT them in the final, they didn't even play in the preceeding rounds, do any of the hard work, they weren't there on their own footballing merits in the first place....would that be fair The ACTUAL GAME between Barcelona and Manchester United would be totally and completely fair under those circumstances, since everything leading up to that particular match would be meaningless for the match itself. Also, since Barcelona was the winner up to that point and Manchester United played and beat them, well, why shouldn't they deserve the title ? Unless you admit that football in itself is more chance and circumstances rather than skill, it doesn't make a smidge of a difference. Also, last time I checked, to become champion in boxing you only need to beat the current champion, you don't need to beat each and every other boxer on the planet in that particular category. So what would be so different with football other than existing convention ? Its a bad anaology anyway.
Doc Fury Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:52:00 - [29] Maybe CCP can use the extra money to buy some of that "excellence" we keep hearing about. Maybe they can use it to hire someone who can setup, integrate, and secure forum software in under 8.2 man-years. Maybe they can use it to hire a real QA/QC team instead of expecting the players to do that work. . . . . . . But, what we all know will happen in teh end is CCP will release a polished expansion of their offices, while buffing their corporate officer salaries. Any excess funds will be dumped into their sucky-sucky vampire MMO. You people do realize how much cash and manpower CCP is bleeding every month into WOD (World of Dorks)? Guess where that cash has to come from? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 21:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Dave Day Simply put, if a player is only in the same ring as you and only in contention with you because they bunged CCP some cash, then analogies aside, something's not right. Why is it not right ? And how would you know ? And if you didn't know, what would be the difference ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts

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