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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Oen Saissore on 28/05/2011 03:45:38
Okay. So I have talked with friends and I understand that there are isk spammers. And not only that. I do understand that the elite of the ISK Sellers dont even spam. You just go to the site and then they have their processes and such. But the main thing that I would like to ask is this:
1) For those who buy ISK from a 3rd party site, what are the consequences?
2) For those who have friends who give them ISK and other things and then out of their own generosity pay them for it, is that illegal?
So please do let me know as I am already a little bit tired of grinding out belt after belt. But I do like it as I just seem to watch movies.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:32:00 -
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1. You'll probably get your account hacked, your credit card # stolen and CCP will take the isk you bought out of your wallet leaving a possible negative balance in which case you won't be able to use the market as there are transaction fees which you can't afford.
2. Yes, RMT is a bannable offense and all strange isk transmissions are investigated
And you're probably going to get banned for admitting to account sharing
 Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:37:00 -
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Well right now the accounts are as good as mine because I am buying the plexs. And also paying for them. Thus I dont think that I should have to worry about that.
And all of these things are just "circumstantial" as I was just wondering what would happen.
So for all the moderators who might read this. I am paying for the accounts and not sharing the ones that I am on currently as the person who had them before gave them to me under the understanding that I will pay for the plexs to keep them running if I wanted them.
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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:39:00 -
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And as far as the plex buying from 3rd party sites. Who are the ones that are legal? Or are there no legal sites to purchase plexs from other than Eve online?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Oen Saissore
And as far as the plex buying from 3rd party sites. Who are the ones that are legal? Or are there no legal sites to purchase plexs from other than Eve online?
You can buy them from the character sheet, you can buy gametime codes from shattered crystal and convert them to plexes
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:54:00 -
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Alright. A friend of mine already did that.
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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 03:57:00 -
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Do you know if Eveonline is going to go into stores? Because if they did that I think that a lot more people would be able to buy plexs. because a lot of people dont have credit cards and such.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:02:00 -
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I've only seen the box set in stores, never game-time cards
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:21:00 -
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List of official game time card resellers.
As for shops. Once they where available in a few UK Iceland stores but I haven't read anything about them in years.
As for your point 2: beware that if your friend got his isk or items through a non CCP supported way, you get hit as much as your friend when they find out. And they will find out.
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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:28:00 -
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How is it that they find out? I mean seriously?
And as far as getting hit? It was just a question that I asked. And they have nothing to do with it.
But as far as the other stuff. Im supporting the accounts by buying plexes and such. Not only that I just had another friend (who I didnt pay a dime to) give me 1.5bil until I am able to get into a wormhole and actually start making them and us money. Not only that I heard from them I could easily make like 200 mil an hour or something like that in their class 3 wormhole.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Oen Saissore
How is it that they find out? I mean seriously?
CCP FBI 
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Oen Saissore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:47:00 -
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ahaha. I heard that they hire a guy to go through all of the market and such just to see if anything is suspicious.
But what they really need to do is make their presence known in jita with all of the gosh damn scammers there!
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Culmen
Caldari
Vigrior
The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2011.05.28 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Oen Saissore
ahaha. I heard that they hire a guy to go through all of the market and such just to see if anything is suspicious.
But what they really need to do is make their presence known in jita with all of the gosh damn scammers there!
Well it's important to note that Scamming is completely legal!
So long as it doesn't involve accounts or passwords or RMT.
So if you mange to trick someone into giving you stuff, more power to you.
CCP is of course tight lipped about how they go about detecting RMT, it would appear they err on the side of caution and don't ban as many suspected RMTers as they'd like.
Differentiating an alt, a friend you are trying to convince to play eve and an RMTer are not very easy to tell apart.
But once they figure it out.... boy are you going to feel the pain.
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Oen Saissore
Gallente
Sideways 8 Collective
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Posted - 2011.05.28 07:32:00 -
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WTFUX A RMTER?
As long as there is a war, there will always be longing for peace - Oen Saissore |
Oen Saissore
Gallente
Sideways 8 Collective
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Posted - 2011.05.28 08:58:00 -
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Well. Night Eve. Tomorrow I go to see if the guy that hit me is on a camera at a store that he went into to buy cigarettes. And if he is. Than maybe I can get my truck fixed and start working again! Especially because I need it to cover 3 accounts! (45 a month is easily paid with a steady job) :D
As long as there is a war, there will always be longing for peace - Oen Saissore |
Zanzbar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:37:00 -
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RMT ( real money trading) is a ban worthy offense. as for what site you are allowed to buy plex from check the list of authorized retailers on the eve website.
and even if your friend gave you the account with you paying al the fees involved thats till against game rules. selling or trading accounts breaks the eula. if you want to do it legally you need to start your own account and transfer any characters you want over
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Oen Saissore
Well right now the accounts are as good as mine because I am buying the plexs. And also paying for them. Thus I dont think that I should have to worry about that.
You make the mistake assuming that YOUR logic (one which conveniently suits you) is the same as CCP's, it isn't. If you're not the original owner of the account then it's not yours to take or use, you're ofcourse allowed to pay for it but accessing it isn't allowed.
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Oen Saissore
Well right now the accounts are as good as mine because I am buying the plexs. And also paying for them. Thus I dont think that I should have to worry about that.
You make the mistake assuming that YOUR logic (one which conveniently suits you) is the same as CCP's, it isn't. If you're not the original owner of the account then it's not yours to take or use, you're ofcourse allowed to pay for it but accessing it isn't allowed.
But if you pay CCP to transfer the same character with all its possessions to another account it's suddenly good and fine and dandy and 100% allowed!
No wonder national laws don't support this EULA nonsense ..
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Oen Saissore
Gallente
Sideways 8 Collective
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Posted - 2011.05.29 05:56:00 -
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I agree with Anne on this.
So basically what I would be doing. Is paying $20 per character that somebody gave the account to use, which in this case would be well near $180 to get all the characters. And then on top of that, pay monthly?
Now that, just doesnt make sense. Nor seem fair to me as I am broke and the main reason I started playing this game was because I heard that I could buy the plexes if I got enough ISK.
*(COULD AN ADMIN PLEASE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT)*
As long as there is a war, there will always be longing for peace - Oen Saissore |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.29 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 29/05/2011 09:12:49
Originally by: Oen Saissore
I agree with Anne on this.
So basically what I would be doing. Is paying $20 per character that somebody gave the account to use, which in this case would be well near $180 to get all the characters. And then on top of that, pay monthly?
Now that, just doesnt make sense. Nor seem fair to me as I am broke and the main reason I started playing this game was because I heard that I could buy the plexes if I got enough ISK.
*(COULD AN ADMIN PLEASE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT)*
You can use PLEX to start a fresh account, it will cost you two PLEX to transfer each character to said account (I presume you will move 9 characters to 3 accounts and not to 9 accounts).
So all in all you will need 21 PLEX to get started in a nice legit way. From then on you will need 3 PLEX per month to keep going. The question is though, why the heck do you need all 9 characters?
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Irulan Corinno
Caldari
714th SQN - Snowflakes
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Posted - 2011.05.29 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 29/05/2011 09:27:57
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
So all in all you will need 21 PLEX to get started in a nice legit way.
Yes for a fee equivalent to $17.50 x 21 = $367.50 it's all according to the rules.
Anyway: how can CCP prove you're another player and you didn't just move to another adress?
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ISD IonCharge
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Posted - 2011.05.29 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Irulan Corinno
Anyway: how can CCP prove you're another player and you didn't just move to another adress?
IP address is not the only tool CCP have to track who logs in on which account. Unique computers can also be identified, for example.
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Lt. Commander
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: ISD IonCharge
Originally by: Irulan Corinno
Anyway: how can CCP prove you're another player and you didn't just move to another adress?
IP address is not the only tool CCP have to track who logs in on which account. Unique computers can also be identified, for example.
So? We are allowed to play EVE on a lot of different computers. Some people play EVE at work, at home, at their friend's houses ..
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Irulan Corinno
Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 29/05/2011 09:27:57
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
So all in all you will need 21 PLEX to get started in a nice legit way.
Yes for a fee equivalent to $17.50 x 21 = $367.50 it's all according to the rules.
Anyway: how can CCP prove you're another player and you didn't just move to another adress?
Let's hope you never get hacked as from that day onwards those accounts will be dead in the water as you can't prove you are the original account holder.
Well if you are good at making ISK (10b or so), those 21 PLEX will be free.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.29 18:31:00 -
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CCP started yelling at me when I played from my mother's house when I was visiting for a weekend 
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.05.29 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 29/05/2011 20:53:08
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
CCP started yelling at me when I played from my mother's house when I was visiting for a weekend
I have two machines in my room and I frequently use either to play EVE. I also travel a lot, and I log on even from different countries in short intervals (from different machines obviously). I moved to the US and back. But I never got any kind of accusation of account sharing.
A corpmate who as far as he says only ever used one single computer in his home to play EVE got his account temporarily disabled for three days because of investigations of account sharing.
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Originally by: Sporked
EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.30 00:33:00 -
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There are aspects of this I've always wondered about. If I'm out at a bar with eve friends and am short of cash:
"Cover my tab tonight and I'll send you a PLEX / T2 BS / T3 cruiser tomorrow."
"I bet you a T3 cruiser that the Bruins will beat the Canucks for SC."
Employer to Employee (both eve players): "Want some overtime tonight? Hangout and FC a roam."
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
There are aspects of this I've always wondered about. If I'm out at a bar with eve friends and am short of cash:
"Cover my tab tonight and I'll send you a PLEX / T2 BS / T3 cruiser tomorrow."
"I bet you a T3 cruiser that the Bruins will beat the Canucks for SC."
Employer to Employee (both eve players): "Want some overtime tonight? Hangout and FC a roam."
Theoretically, this kind of "casual RMT" is against the EULA. In practice, since it's both undetectable and fairly harmless, then a "dont ask dont tell" policy would seem to apply.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Xenuria
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.31 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Oen Saissore
Edited by: Oen Saissore on 28/05/2011 03:45:38
Okay. So I have talked with friends and I understand that there are isk spammers. And not only that. I do understand that the elite of the ISK Sellers dont even spam. You just go to the site and then they have their processes and such. But the main thing that I would like to ask is this:
1) For those who buy ISK from a 3rd party site, what are the consequences?
2) For those who have friends who give them ISK and other things and then out of their own generosity pay them for it, is that illegal?
So please do let me know as I am already a little bit tired of grinding out belt after belt. But I do like it as I just seem to watch movies.
If you need game time
Buy Plex with Isk or IRL money
If you need isk
Buy plex with IRL money and then sell the plex for isk
Thats how you make money in eve.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.01 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I've only seen the box set in stores, never game-time cards
Love to see that happen.
Then again, I have a allot more restraint when buying with a CC online than in RL...
I can't heal stupid
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.01 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I've only seen the box set in stores, never game-time cards
Love to see that happen.
Then again, I have a allot more restraint when buying with a CC online than in RL...
That makes one of us, I use prescription sleep meds that make me a little weird ( ) so I woke up one day and I had BF BC2 and the Vietnam expansion 
Not the first time I woke up and found I bought things I have no memory of getting 
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Oen Saissore
And as far as the plex buying from 3rd party sites. Who are the ones that are legal? Or are there no legal sites to purchase plexs from other than Eve online?
Correct, you can only buy PLEX on the EVE Online website (for cash) or the in-game market (for ISK). As for Oen Saissore's questions, I think it's better if one of the GMs answers them, so please stay tuned for a bit.
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Community Representative
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Oen Saissore
And as far as the plex buying from 3rd party sites. Who are the ones that are legal? Or are there no legal sites to purchase plexs from other than Eve online?
Correct, you can only buy PLEX on the EVE Online website (for cash) or the in-game market (for ISK). As for Oen Saissore's questions, I think it's better if one of the GMs answers them, so please stay tuned for a bit.
You should clarify that PLEXes are only available for cash from CCP, but GTCs are also available from 3rt party resellers (and each GTC becomes 2 PLEXes ingame).
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Nia
You should clarify that PLEXes are only available for cash from CCP, but GTCs are also available from 3rt party resellers (and each GTC becomes 2 PLEXes ingame).
This is absolutely correct. My bad for not stating it in the previous post. 
Spitfire
Community Representative
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GM Lelouch
Game Masters
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: GM Lelouch on 01/06/2011 08:48:46
Hello all,
Before I get to answering the questions themselves, I'd like to state that it is absolutely correct (as some players pointed out before me) that doing business with ISK sellers risks jeopardizing your computer's safety, as well as your credit card information if that is the chosen payment method. We know from experience that a sizable portion of hacked accounts were compromised as a result of ISK buying.
We highly recommend that you perform a thorough virus/trojan scan of your computer if you've recently visited an ISK selling page.
Originally by: Oen Saissore
1) For those who buy ISK from a 3rd party site, what are the consequences?
2) For those who have friends who give them ISK and other things and then out of their own generosity pay them for it, is that illegal?
1) Players who are discovered to have purchased ISK will have said ISK removed from their wallet. This is not so much of a problem if the ISK has not been spent yet, but if the wallet does not have enough ISK to cover the amount that is removed then it will be put into the negatives. This in turn makes it impossible to perform certain functions in the game, such as using the market or accepting missions which require a collateral and so on.
In addition to this, a "warning" (which acts as a sort of permanent mark on the account) is placed on the account; repeated violations can result in temporary or even permanent account suspensions.
2) This is not allowed either.
Originally by: Oen Saissore
And as far as the plex buying from 3rd party sites. Who are the ones that are legal? Or are there no legal sites to purchase plexs from other than Eve online?
There are no legitimate 3rd party sites which sell PLEX; many of the PLEXes sold on these pages are actually funded through account hacking or credit card fraud. Caveat emptor applies; if the deal looks too good to be true, it probably is. On the other hand, ETCs can be purchased from third party vendors and then converted into PLEXes. A list of all legitimate ETC vendors can be found here:
https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx
Originally by: Oen Saissore
I agree with Anne on this.
So basically what I would be doing. Is paying $20 per character that somebody gave the account to use, which in this case would be well near $180 to get all the characters. And then on top of that, pay monthly?
Now that, just doesnt make sense. Nor seem fair to me as I am broke and the main reason I started playing this game was because I heard that I could buy the plexes if I got enough ISK.
*(COULD AN ADMIN PLEASE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT)*
Accountability is the key word here. Imagine this scenario:
Your friend, an EVE veteran of four years, leaves EVE and entrusts you with both of his accounts. He does not expect that he will want to return to EVE again so you have a mutual understanding that the accounts are now yours.
*Two years pass*
Your friend, having read a news story on a gaming site about the largest in-game heist yet decides that he wants to return to the game. He hasn't spoken to you for two years since you fell out of touch when he left. You've invested two years of your time building up the characters so you don't want to return the accounts to him. His answer is to contact us at CCP and claim that the accounts were stolen from him two years ago but that they are his.
Who is the rightful owner of the accounts? It's a really big mess don't you think? The above is a very common scenario; we get many petitions about scenarios like this every day. Sometimes it even involves account sharing family members who've had a falling out which complicates matters even further.
The character transfer system leaves a paper trail on our forums when characters are sold which helps but even then, account ownership dispute cases (less common for transferred characters, but they still exist) still eat up a considerable amount of expensive man-hours which is why we charge for character transfers.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Coarition of Poorry Stereotyped Asian Peopre
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:17:00 -
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Hory crap! The GM is armost as ugry as I am 
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Xenuria
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xenuria on 07/06/2011 00:48:55
Here is what confuses me...
Buying isk illegally costs MORE then buying it legitimatly...
Buy isk the legit way involves spending 14 $ on plex and then selling the plex on the market for about 300million isk.
Isk selling sights often ask for WAY more money for isk then you would ever dream of paying CCP.
So I am deeply confused as to why people actually bother buying isk illegally when it 99.9% of the time costs more then just buying a plex and selling it for isk.
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Potrondal Morrison
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
Edited by: Xenuria on 07/06/2011 00:48:55
Here is what confuses me...
Buying isk illegally costs MORE then buying it legitimatly...
Buy isk the legit way involves spending 14 $ on plex and then selling the plex on the market for about 300million isk.
Isk selling sights often ask for WAY more money for isk then you would ever dream of paying CCP.
So I am deeply confused as to why people actually bother buying isk illegally when it 99.9% of the time costs more then just buying a plex and selling it for isk.
and where do you get PLEX for only $14 at????? this i need to know.
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Command 00
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:46:00 -
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I'm buying My GTC form Shattered Crystal for like 23 euro for 60 days (12 euro cheaper ) and I convert it to 2 plexes, wich 1 I add 30 days game time and the other 1 i sell it for isk
so this way i "buy" legal iskies
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Potrondal Morrison
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Potrondal Morrison on 07/06/2011 14:26:09
Originally by: Command 00
I'm buying My GTC form Shattered Crystal for like 23 euro for 60 days (12 euro cheaper) and I convert it to 2 plexes, wich 1 I add 30 days game time and the other 1 i sell it for isk
so this way i "buy" legal iskies
I use shattered crystal also, costs just over ú21 (with the current exchange rate) for a 60 day time code, i usually convert them to plex to sell on the market. They are fast and reliable.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Scarlet des Loupes on 07/06/2011 14:59:34
Originally by: Xenuria
Here is what confuses me...
Buying isk illegally costs MORE then buying it legitimatly...
Isk selling sights often ask for WAY more money for isk then you would ever dream of paying CCP.
Don't know where you get your information from but the advertisements I saw (yes it's in the newb channel and also on every google ad sponsored webby, even eveboard) you get a 5 to 7 fold of what you get from selling PLEX.
And no I don't buy ISK from 3rd parties, I'm a no lifer who grinds her own ISK.
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