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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.29 21:59:00 -
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A RL trader is teaching a small group of people an advanced RL trading method, based on daily charts. I am learning and backtesting it before switching to it. When used by an experienced trader it has some sick success rate, my teacher has like 90% win ratio.
The original method is not in English and assumes previous RL trading knowledge, and it is "limited" to teaching where to enter and exit trades. Now, don't misjudge this, because telling where to enter and exit trades is an immense feature already.
I and a small MD team are currently discussing drafts of an English, EvE version of the whole thing starting from absolutely zero prior knowledge (general MD terms will be used though) plus RL trading practices and psychology. It's not excluded that I'll also create videos covering some practical bits. The course will be posted as a series of installments both on my website Vahrokh.com and on these forums. The forums version will have several restrictions imposed by the forums limits.
Basically someone learning this course will be indifferently able to trade in RL and also perform similar trading in EvE (*).
My newest data gathering technology is so advanced I am finally able to see coherent price action forming, the whole course will employ traditional candle sticks graphs both for RL and EvE trading.
I thought 1 or 2 people on this forum could find it useful and maybe appreciate it. Of course, everything will be completely free.
Parties showing interest, will even receive free high quality EvE markets data dumps for the exercises.
Feedback is welcome. I hope in constructive feedback, the task ahead is monumental to say the least, it will require man months of work.
(*) NOTA BENE
This is not an endorsement or a solicitation to RL trade, someone really trying jumping from EvE to RL markets needs some months of practice first, else he WILL risk losing all his money or even more than that.
Demo about how markets will be shown:
PLEX market
Other, full res pictures of PLEX market. Check these out very well - expecially the daily - because they are commented and instructional even now You could not have not made a profit by using them.
Monthly hi res graph snapshot
Weekly hi res graph snapshot
Daily hi res graph snapshot
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Thrakster
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:09:00 -
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I am sure you will find many more than one or two interested parties, looking forward to seeing what you produce.
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Galleus Oramara
Caldari Financial Facilitation
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:11:00 -
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It seems like an incredibly valuable skill to be taught through this and for free no less!
You seem to be leading the 'skills provided to other MD users' quota.
If I didn't have the attention span of a gnats gnads I'd be up for learning to trade through the markets!
Good luck sir and kudos.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:12:00 -
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Posting to confirm my interest in this.
So this makes 2.
so far. Go make a new disaster, that's what I'm counting on. You're someone else's problem, now I only want you gone... |
Icanti
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:14:00 -
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Ohh, candlestick charts. They should have those in game.
Is there a charge for the course?
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The Illustrious Juden
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: The Illustrious Juden on 29/05/2011 22:17:44 "Of course, everything will be completely free."
Edit: I'm interested in this to VV :)
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:34:00 -
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You can count me in!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 29/05/2011 22:45:07
Originally by: Icanti
Ohh, candlestick charts. They should have those in game.
Yes, they are an established (centuries of usage) and didactically valuable way to represent price action. Sadly I won't be able to use the EvE graphs for this course, because EvE does not natively show "OHLC" data. For those stuck with EvE graphs, the methods teached in my previous thread: Experiment #01: RL finance analysis applied to EvE work without any out of game intervention.
Originally by: Icanti
Is there a charge for the course? (edit - as above, no)
The original method will be eventually expanded by his author in an optional, payware course. The author does not know anything about gaming at all (he uses a computer at all just to use his trading platform) so it'll only be for RL trading.
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It seems like an incredibly valuable skill to be taught through this and for free no less!
You seem to be leading the 'skills provided to other MD users' quota
If you only knew how dearly CCP is making me pay for my commitment to EvE. In fact, if one day you will suddenly not see me play any more and disappear, is because I will have given up fighting against the behemoth.
Edit:
Anyone of you interested into doing exercises and "homeworks" and eventually post them on the course thread? Interaction is a great boon to learning.
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Anyone of you interested into doing exercises and "homeworks" and eventually post them on the course thread? Interaction is a great boon to learning.
If it isn't ridiculous mundane tasks I would be more than inclined to making an idiot of myself in the name of science!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.29 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 29/05/2011 22:55:46
Originally by: Serene Python
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Anyone of you interested into doing exercises and "homeworks" and eventually post them on the course thread? Interaction is a great boon to learning.
If it isn't ridiculous mundane tasks I would be more than inclined to making an idiot of myself in the name of science!
There's nothing mundane in this course. One of the things you'd have to do, given a data dump in CSV format, is to place it in a folder, start a software so you get a "naked" price graph with just candlesticks. Then you'd have to draw horizontal lines and mark the price action candles, basically be able to reproduce the daily hi res screenshot I provided in the OP.
Edit: one defect of just reading (or worse, skimming thru) this course will be that you will be completely unable to perform a single profitable trade.
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Ezilipi
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Posted - 2011.05.29 23:46:00 -
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I am definitely interested in this course. I've had some investment planning courses in RL so this should be a nice supplement to those :)
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.05.30 00:07:00 -
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I'm interested in this course, count me in
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.30 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal I'm interested in this course, count me in
Thanks. Just bear with me, it'll take a long while before all the installments are out. I'll post 1 video (if I manage to, it costs a LOT of time to make), then 1 text blurb with some pics, then exercises to do.
I really want to stress on exercises because without doing them, there's no hope. One of the things you'll notice in the course is that I won't take sh!t. You (impersonal, not you L.E.) either do what's written and accept to work or GTFO. I try being amicable on the forum, but when I talk RL business I won't have mercy. Because markets have even less mercy, better to learn the harsh markets without losing wagons of money while doing that. RL markets are THE PvP game, the ruthless no rules zero sum sandbox game; EvE is a fluffy, fair and noob friendly joke in comparison.
To give an idea, I am now at the 308th backtested trade with a wonderful RL trading simulator playing back currencies from past time. When you have just started, each trade may take 15-30 minutes to setup, so this makes for almost half a RL month spent sim trading.
I consider myself at the beginning.
Those who will toy with this course for EvE of course will have a different commitment, but those who want to go beyond EvE have to take it as a proper profession without protection nets.
A good positive side is: like in EvE, once you learned to RL trade you need all of 1 hour a day to setup your stuff (usually less) then you can go play, poast on forums, do a gf, take a trip. You have 23 free hours a day. It's also why I do all these EvE activities, bye bye 10+ hours a day at low wage wasted at obeying some cretin in the office who can't discern his right shoe from the left.
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Nathan Gorden
Caldari Strategic Investments Group
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Posted - 2011.05.30 01:14:00 -
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I also, am very interested in this course.
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Mu-Shi Ai
The Chrysalis Group
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Posted - 2011.05.30 04:04:00 -
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VV, are you at liberty to say what the name of this RL trading simulator is? I'd love to get my hands on something like that.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 30/05/2011 05:53:32
Originally by: Mu-Shi Ai VV, are you at liberty to say what the name of this RL trading simulator is? I'd love to get my hands on something like that.
Not here, I posted about essential books in the past but I won't put direct links on this forum because I think it's forbidden by the EULA to post potentially commercial material here. As I said above I have enough issues with CCP already, figures if I go out and start "advertising" products here.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 06:12:00 -
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I'll be keeping an eye on this, always interested in different methods. |
Zaveed
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Posted - 2011.05.30 06:15:00 -
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This would definitely be an interesting watch. I'm interested.
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Black Madness
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Posted - 2011.05.30 07:07:00 -
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Ok, ci sono. Tirami dentro :)
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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
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Posted - 2011.05.30 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Of course, everything will be completely free.
You drive a hard bargain. Okay, deal.
Count me in. Additionally, if there's ways people not on your "small MD team" could help out, please let us know.
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2011.05.30 07:21:00 -
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..I'm interested as well.
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Hurricane Harris
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Posted - 2011.05.30 07:34:00 -
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I am always willing to learn. Can not wait. |
Aelisha
Gallente Nisaba Syndicate NISYN Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Aelisha on 30/05/2011 10:34:35 I am not usually one to pay much attention to the comings and goings of the md forum, and generally feel that the secondary market is a bad joke, but you VV, have revitalised the forum almost single handedly over the last year or so.
I will whole heartedly follow this initiative, as it is giving applicable skills to a community thirsty for knowledge is a great move. If you get the time i would enjoy talking about your reasons and drive in your continued contribution to this community. I can only hope that others follow this example.
Aelisha
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Rule18
Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:15:00 -
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Interested.
On a side note, I have played with similar techniques RL with limited to no success... (let's hope the success part changes when applied to eve markets :-P ) -----Signature----- CRAVE, taking you beyond the capsule.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aelisha
I am not usually one to pay much attention to the comings and goings of the md forum, and generally feel that the secondary market is a bad joke, but you VV, have revitalised the forum almost single handedly over the last year or so.
I will whole heartedly follow this initiative, as it is giving applicable skills to a community thirsty for knowledge is a great move. If you get the time i would enjoy talking about your reasons and drive in your continued contribution to this community. I can only hope that others follow this example.
Aelisha
I am humbled by your kind words.
If you wish to talk with me, feel free to ask directly here (maximum transparency) or via eve-mail.
Originally by: Rule18 Interested.
On a side note, I have played with similar techniques RL with limited to no success... (let's hope the success part changes when applied to eve markets :-P )
I am interested knowing what you did. Many times a person gets *almost* there and would just need a little push in the back to succeed.
I will love to help you to succeed, even at the cost of tarnishing EvE nasty reputation .
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Fender Saxbey
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:06:00 -
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As a new trader, I am very interested. Thanks for this!
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Glafri
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Posted - 2011.05.30 22:19:00 -
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Always been an MD lurker but you hooked me with this. I'm interested.
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Kobian Westlink
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Posted - 2011.05.30 22:21:00 -
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Definitely interested!
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.05.31 00:02:00 -
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this sounds intriguing ... add me as an interested party
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Diadoch
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Posted - 2011.05.31 06:10:00 -
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I will definitely be looking into this. :D
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