Is that afk guy in local bother you?

The solution is simple make the afk guy disappear from local when he cloaks.


There now he won't be bother you now won't you?

Seriously AFK Cloaking is only as bad is the mind allows it to be.

The only people I see whining are ratters and botters who want to mine in complete safety in 0.0.

HTFU.

those afk crybabies to do some PvP while they are in nullsec

Wait, sorry.... Who's a cry baby? The afker, who is afk, or the crybaby crying about the afker, who is afk?

ofc cloakers who cry at every attempt to target their immunity in nullsec. Theres a place for this way of playstyle in eve --> Hisec

you can stay there for ages without anyone targeting you, dont even have to turn on cloak ^^

Interestingly, the two suggestions that don't do that have nothing to do with cloaks, rather local and cynos.

No, active cloakers "cry" at every attempt to completely destroy their play style.

Almost every suggestion to "counter" afk cloaking will completely eliminate the feasibility of traditional cloaky activities.



Interestingly, the two suggestions that don't do that have nothing to do with cloaks, rather local and cynos.

ofc cloakers who cry at every attempt to target their immunity in nullsec. Theres a place for this way of playstyle in eve --> Hisec

you can stay there for ages without anyone targeting you, dont even have to turn on cloak ^^

Well most solutions I saw would only force them to move few km every half hour (ie. the probing sugestion). If thats to much
of an activity in nullspace for them. Well no comment.

It's just silly for me that in game suposed to be all about technology you can use magic invisibility hat, that saves you
from pvp in a place made for pvp.

Did you even think this through? It's a stupid suggestion, so if you honestly think it's a "solution" (and I use that term loosely, as there isn't an actual problem) then... you may not be too bright.

Lets break it down.

It hinders active playing - reconnaissance can rely on sitting in a key location and watching whats happening, or moving into an advantageous position and waiting for the right opportunity to hit. Forcing these pilots to constantly move ruins that.

So far, that's one big negative to active players.

Lets move on to AFK players, and see how this change would affect them

AFK player double clicks in arbitrary direction, leaving his ship to float in that direction forever.

Oh look at that, they're moving, so this system doesn't do a damn thing to AFK cloakers.

So your suggestion doesn't "help" against AFKs, but works against actives.

And we're back to square one: The fact that nullbears are the biggest cowards in EVE, bigger than even the hisec bears - who at least have the balls to admit they don't want to risk their stuff.

Noone says its as simple as putting probes and scanning cloakers down in 5 sec, clearly rage hinders your ability to
see the problem here and what the solutions proposed are.

And so far the afk cloakers are worst cowards in nullsec, carebears coming to null know they may be forced to fight,
cloakers dont have to bother with that. No to afk living in null i say :P

Noone says its as simple as putting probes and scanning cloakers down in 5 sec, clearly rage hinders your ability to
see the problem here and what the solutions proposed are.

And so far the afk cloakers are worst cowards in nullsec, carebears coming to null know they may be forced to fight,
cloakers dont have to bother with that. No to afk living in null i say :P

Well you should take a chill pill and read before you call people names. As i written before afk cloakers are not of a big issue for me. You would know that if you could read instaead of insta-raging. And in particular read again what afk cloakers are and what they are meant to achieve by staying for 3-4 weeks in one place. And the solution still stands imo, as technology without counter is just stupid.

Maybe lets see real world reconnaisance, that way maybe you understand what I'm getting at if thats hard for you to grasp. Is the real world reconnisance without risk of fail ? No. Is it sucessful way of gathering info ? Yes. That simple. Lets just keep it real.

Well most solutions I saw would only force them to move few km every half hour (ie. the probing sugestion). If thats to much
of an activity in nullspace for them. Well no comment.

It's just silly for me that in game suposed to be all about technology you can use magic invisibility hat, that saves you
from pvp in a place made for pvp.

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Are you kidding? You want anyone who cloaks to pay for fuel and be fine with that. Also, lets not forget the fact that if they run out of fuel for any reason the cloak is completely useless. Let me say it again, there is no good reason to change cloaking anyway.

There was no content in that post ^^. You said I was crying (when Im the one happy with how it is), and that I was dense, and that AFK cloaking IS a threat (without putting forward any argument for why), and then told me not to bother posting if I cant empathise with your side of the argument when you clearly are just as bad as me.

Lets put this straight with facts, rather than bogus opinion.

1- Afk cloakers are afk, therefore not doing anything.
2- If they're not afk, you can kill them.
3- They can't stop you doing anything except through fear.
4- If your afraid to do something you can change system to do it without fear.
5- If they follow you, they're not afk. Therefore see point 2.
6- Cloaks reduce the combat effectiveness of a ship, by using up slots or from adverse effects.

If your still worried about the fact they can be safe whilst afk, well then you should propose to get rid of POS shields and the ability to dock. Make a counter argument or don't bother responding.

1. Not true. There is the psychological warfare side of things in this one also.
2. Not true. Even how much you want to find them and do what you can you might not still get them.
3. True but industrialists are usualy easy to kill so they can also use force
4. True but it will not resolve the issue of the AFK cloaker being somewhere AFK
5. See point 2
6. And? it is your choice will or will you not fit your ship with cloaks. If you do not like the disadvantaged over the advantages then do not fir a cloak.

I'll drop the dence things so this wont go into a fight over whos more dencer but I ment with they crying part that most posts are "crycrycry no solution crycrycry" and I did not mean you in specific. Though it would be nice that you would give also an solution to this and so IF you would have to make an solution to this what would it be? How would you remove AFK cloaking.

My solution is still that claoks should use fuel (heavy water, it's cheap and easy to get, mayby add something that allowes you to extract heavy water from ice so you don't need to go to a station to get it) and special cloak ships could have the fuel bays.
1. You could still AFK cloak for some time if needed
2. Game would be more tactical as you need to think more what you do with your cloaked ships
3. You can still do psychological warfare if you want.
4. Cloaks would realy not change there would be just something new in them, something new that you need to keep in your mind and now just fly mindlessly all over the place.


Oh and CCP is removing POS shields or they are planing to do so, so no need to propose that. ;)

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I understand the sentiment that somebody who is afk should not be able to have a direct effect / influence within game.

Yes somebody who was afk has never killed anybody, the issue is that you never know if that person is afk or not.

I do not agree cloaks need fuel or a timer as this has for too much potential to hurt other area's of the game.

I would much prefer to introduce a new class of ship, say a destroyer and new types of probes to help scan down cloaked ships.

The way it would work would be that the scan time would be a lot longer then normal probes and only the new ship type can equip the probes.

If the person is not afk and is moving around there is no problem as it would be impossible to scan them due to the scan time.

However if the person goes afk they run the risk of being detected.

I do not see anything wrong with this.

Like I said that if you do not have any solutions for this then do not post. You realy need to be realy dense to not understand that. ^^

I'm saying it's broken and I want to hear solutions for it not crying that it's not broken. If the fuel idea is bad then present a better one.