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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:01:00 -
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Ahh, yes, the anti-Mittens crusade ruleset. I was wondering how long it would take the CSM to get around to doing something this year. I see you totally have your priorities straight and are focusing on such weighty topics as "How can we keep Mittens style candidates off the CSM"
Hint, you can't.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:47:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Mitanni would still have been elected under this, or probably any, voting system. Robert's post is more concerned at looking at the bottom end of the voting than the top.
And the CSM hasn't decided anything, we talked about it a bunch (hint, we can read and reply to several forum threads at a time, shocking i know) and felt the discussion reached an appropriately structured place that we could start a good conversation with the EVE player base.
Goons would probably be better served engaging in that discussion rather than inventing things to tinfoil hat about.
The CSM Minutes and this new "system" highlights the CSM motivations quite well. Do you really believe any system you invent cannot be gamed by highly organized player blocks? Especially multiple 10k+ blocks of players? All this system is going to do is ensure we vote in 4 of the 7 candidates instead of 1 or 2. We already have a couple ways to blow this system up too, in the span of 15 minutes. Good luck with that.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:21:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I just wanted to state, for the record, that I could give no ****'s whether a Goon is elected to a future CSM. They represent a large portion of the active, involved player base, and most people would agree that if they can muster the most votes for a candidate, they deserve to be on the council.
Despite the hilarity of the Goons instantly invading the thread assuming that this is all somehow directed at them, that doesn't change the fact that players have been, for many elections now, frustrated with the electoral process and expressed desire to iterate upon it.
If you note the title of the thread, it is a call for discussion. You know, where you bring ideas and share them and discuss their merits. I hope we can all keep this in mind before we continue down the rabbit hole of stupidity that is either "You just want to suppress Goon influence" or "you just want to make sure you all get re-elected".
Sure! Explain your reasoning on the overvote penalty then. For those who may not realize the implications of such.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:05:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Alchenar wrote: Hey guys what if there was a correlation between being in the leadership of the most successful and largest coalition in the game and being competent, articulate and making good suggestions? I'd say the chance of that correlation existing is extremely high. 
I would also say the chance of people being competent/good that are in smaller organizations with with no record of success probably also correlates.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:13:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
No, what I said was that Trebor's proposal biases the system against the single most powerful voting bloc achieving higher-than proportional representation on the council.
Trebor's proposal is to ensure that voting blocks achieve lower-than-proportional representation. It's not intended to ensure we have a fair amount of representation: it is an attempt to make sure we have an unfairly low amount. What percentage of the player base does the CFC represent, and how does this proposal ensure that they receive less that that percentage of coverage on the CSM?
Wrong question. The better question is, what percentage of the VOTING player base does CFC represent. I would say we are well under represented when we only elected a single person.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:45:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
We've had some brief internal discussion about it, but the bottom line is that it is inappropriate for the CSM to decide for itself, what the next election rules should be. It would be unethical for us to have some month-long pow wow,
You mean how it seems like half the CSM minutes are related to the election/Mittens in some form? That meeting took place months ago. So clearly this has been being kicked around for months.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:18:00 -
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The obvious bias element is one thing.
Take it a step further. How many blocks do you think have perfect exit polling and excellent voter coordination? Where they can optimize their results using their IT infrastructure.
This new system will be game-able, by only those blocks with that ability. You are going to make your problem a whole lot worse.
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