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SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:47:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: In the most recent election, for example, almost 25% of the votes were cast for candidates who did not win election to the CSM.
So you're saying that the current CSM election process is 90-100% more representative than any national election in the United States?
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SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:11:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Likes for "redo democracy" proposal: 5 within 2 days Likes for "eat a phallus csm7" proposal: 45+ within 10 minutes
Let them hate so long as they fear. |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:50:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:The Mittani wrote:I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.
I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?
This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors! Don't worry folks, the CSM's hard at work redefining democracy. We'll get to critical issues as relates to gameplay after the winter summit. Summit notes to follow shortly after CSM 8 elections conclude.
So long as the game is broken in a way that reflects the Founding Fathers' vision, I feel like logging in is worth my time. |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 05:15:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP. Name em?
There's this news website making millions of dollars by reporting EVE events in a biased manner I think something should be done. |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 05:24:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:CliveWarren wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:You are bad at using forums. awwwwww, poor muffin, we're not appreciating how totally hard he and his **** goons friends are kind-of-sort-of-not-really advocating on our behalf! ::hands Clive a tissue:: All this threadnought has accomplished has derailed any hope of public discussion and provided encouragement for CSM/CCP to figure things out ourselves.
Possibility of looking like out of touch authoritarian avoided! Phew! |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 06:19:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
I'm also curious why they feel reform is important, when the regional and playstyle representation between CSM6 and CSM7 broadened CSM7s diversity is the exception rather than the rule, and even in CSM7's case our election had some problems. Talk about what could be done to improve the voting process is nothing new, and while null sec dominance of the council is an often cited reason by people who start those discussion it's far from the only thing worth talking about.
At the top end, the most voted for candidate in history got himself banned after being elected but before our term started. This was unprecedented and, as we found out, unplanned for. CCP had to make a quick decision, they chose to just go on with things as if he'd been banned during his term so 10,000+ voters didnt have "their man" on the council and the CSM was forced to start things off short handed.
So the guy we voted for committed a gaffe and was unfit for office for this term. How is that the fault of the system? Do we not have alternates?
Alekseyev Karrde wrote: At the bottom, Darius III was effectively ghosting during CSM6 but literally scammed enough votes to push him past a proven but small candidate (Korvin). When CSM7 started i spent an inordinate amount of time on him (and issler) trying to get them to pretend they we people not pixels and work with the rest of us. Unfortunately that only half worked, and DIII has been doing jack **** and when he does say something it's usually counterproductive or insulting to the CSM, CCP, or both.
Again, one representative, in your opinion, did not do his job well. Not the fault of the system, it's the fault of the voter. Nothing you have said has made me say "gee, he's right! This system is obviously terrible!" |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:49:00 -
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CliveWarren wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:If you want those 340K players to be represented, then you have to find ways to encourage them to vote.
There's also too many large questions about why this many people aren't participating. Is it lack of knowledge of the CSM? Apathy? Would they participate if it wasn't for certain factors?
Could it possibly be because EVE is a video game and not everyone who plays makes it the central focus of their life or online time? |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:49:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Frying Doom wrote:As to the rest of the members of Goonswarm in this thread, you complain a lot when some one other than you threatens to game the system and this is not even that it is more about making minorities, minorities. The dismissive way that you refer to 'minorities' and the indifference you show towards disenfranchising them is very telling. Oh good to see we are up to the disenfranchising catch phrase. So Wikipedia wrote: Disfranchisement
Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person's vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable requirements.
First-past-the-post voting systems
Under the first past the post (FPTP) single member voting system the highest polling candidate is elected as opposed to a candidate that has an absolute majority of votes. A candidate can be elected with less than 50% support with the majority of voters remaining unrepresented. As an example, if three candidates receive 40%, 32% and 28% of the vote respectively, the candidate with 40% of the vote is elected whilst 60% of the electorate go unrepresented. FPTP is used in most jurisdictions in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom.
So in the last CSM election 59,109 Accounts voted and only 34238 accounts were counted towards the candidates with 14813 voters Disfranchised. Yeah so the voting system you so want to keep because it is good for your minority while 24% of the voters where disfranchised in the last election. But Goonswarm and Test member complain because things might be set to a fashion that is not so much in the way of their favour.
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