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digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:35:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I just wanted to state, for the record, that I could give no ****'s whether a Goon is elected to a future CSM. They represent a large portion of the active, involved player base, and most people would agree that if they can muster the most votes for a candidate, they deserve to be on the council.
Despite the hilarity of the Goons instantly invading the thread assuming that this is all somehow directed at them, that doesn't change the fact that players have been, for many elections now, frustrated with the electoral process and expressed desire to iterate upon it.
If you note the title of the thread, it is a call for discussion. You know, where you bring ideas and share them and discuss their merits. I hope we can all keep this in mind before we continue down the rabbit hole of stupidity that is either "You just want to suppress Goon influence" or "you just want to make sure you all get re-elected".
As a 2003 player, I sit here and wonder what exactly my CSM is doing. Why are you focusing on the election rather than the game itself? Your job is to represent the playerbase's interest for the game. This discussion is not in the player's interest. I won't say what I think it is but it has nothing to do with spaceships.
I will go as far as to say this: this year's CSM has been the most ineffective by far and if it were possible to issue a vote of no-confidence then you and your team would surely have it.
Go fix spaceships. Do your damn job. |
digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:42:00 -
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serras bang wrote:digi wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I just wanted to state, for the record, that I could give no ****'s whether a Goon is elected to a future CSM. They represent a large portion of the active, involved player base, and most people would agree that if they can muster the most votes for a candidate, they deserve to be on the council.
Despite the hilarity of the Goons instantly invading the thread assuming that this is all somehow directed at them, that doesn't change the fact that players have been, for many elections now, frustrated with the electoral process and expressed desire to iterate upon it.
If you note the title of the thread, it is a call for discussion. You know, where you bring ideas and share them and discuss their merits. I hope we can all keep this in mind before we continue down the rabbit hole of stupidity that is either "You just want to suppress Goon influence" or "you just want to make sure you all get re-elected".
As a 2003 player, I sit here and wonder what exactly my CSM is doing. Why are you focusing on the election rather than the game itself? Your job is to represent the playerbase's interest for the game. This discussion is not in the player's interest. I won't say what I think it is but it has nothing to do with spaceships. I will go as far as to say this: this year's CSM has been the most ineffective by far and if it were possible to issue a vote of no-confidence then you and your team would surely have it. Go fix spaceships. Do your damn job. this descusion is in the players intrest if you have been reading the forum seing your such an old player you will relaise people are screaming out for reform
I'm going to assume that your English is poor. That's fine, I translated.
If people are screaming for reform then remember this: YOU elected the current CSM. Compare last year's CSM with the current group and you will see clearly where the reform needs to be. Things got done last year. Changes were made, the entire playerbase had a say. This year? What has the CSM done?
I thought Hans was a pretty standup guy and I would be the first to admit that his platform held a lot of merit but he has proved no better than the rest. Bird of a feather, I guess.
If you want reform, vote for people that will do their job and keep CCP on task. It's quite simple.
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digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:05:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:
What you've done here is admit exactly what we've been charging: this is not an attempt to make a "fair" system. This is an attempt to specifically bias the system against the CFC.
No, what I said was that Trebor's proposal biases the system against the single most powerful voting bloc achieving higher-than proportional representation on the council.
How is this even a problem? Before you laugh, understand that I ask this question honestly. What exactly can you lay at the feet of the current system? You are on the CSM right now. It's up to you to fix represent us. How has the current system influenced the game since you've been appointed to the CSM? If there are issues internally to the CSM, you have no one but yourselves to blame. That isn't a player problem, it's a CSM problem. If you are trying to pin your current failures on the CFC, then good luck, because it's not the CFC's fault you are ineffective at your job.
Here's a tip about voting: the majority wins. I know this is a strange concept but there will always be a majority. Democracy is crazy, right?
The voting system isn't broken. You and the rest of the CSM are broken. I'm disappointed in you. I could say many things about the majority of the CSM, but I had hope for you and you've flubbed it.
Again, I reiterate: do your damn job. Leave this thread and go make our game work.
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digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:11:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Lord Zim wrote: So you're going to make sure Trebor catches all the flak for this one, and you'll swivel your cape to catch the most wind, despite the fact you came in guns blazing to defend the thread initially? I don't even see this as "taking flak" , we're all adults here and I haven't heard any of you attacking Trebor as a person, only discussing some valid criticism about one proposal.
You don't see it as taking flak because you don't really care about your voters.
There's no point in attacking Trebor as a person because one only attacks when they don't have an argument. That isn't the case since none of you can do any of the things that you promised to do.
Read that again. You have not delivered. You are the do-nothing CSM. You've contributed nothing of note and you have failed in representing us. You and your fellow CSM representatives are failures.
This isn't classified as an attack because it's truth. This thread is proof that you are the do-nothing CSM. A waste of our faith and our time.
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digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:53:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I'm glad this has sparked a lively discussion, and I hope it continues to evolve. To clarify one point, election reform is something the CSM has been discussing for years, and I have taken the point role in pushing the discussion forward (as was discussed at the May 2012 summit).
Trebor... Is this all you have to show for your time on the CSM? Seriously?
Go do your job. Jesus. |
digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.09 04:50:00 -
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I'm laughing at the fact that Trebor and his team have wasted a CSM term and now suddenly come up with "voting reform" to set all those wrongs right. Screw fixing the game mechanics, it's the CFC's fault that we don't do our jobs! Next year will be different after we reform this voting system!
I mean, the voters are clearly to blame for this year's ineffective CSM, right Trebor? The results of the last election is THE reason why you haven't done ANYTHING! Boggles the mind but there you have it!
I seriously cannot look at Trebor and not see Smeegle cuddling his precious votes.
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digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:27:00 -
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Seleene wrote:
There IS a lot of tinfoil BS in this thread with regard to why this thread exists and I make no apologies for being annoyed by it.
You should be annoyed. This thread has nothing to do with fixing our spaceship game. What the hell are you people doing on the CSM?
Go fix our game. You were elected to do a job. Go do it. This thread should have never happened.
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digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.09.10 02:35:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:RDevz wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.
How does CD-"STV" stop CCP from dismissing someone after the election results have been announced? Why are you quoting me with that question? I already said I don't think it does in two posts. There does need to be an acceptable way to deal with that circumstance though, the Mitanni's case should not be repeated. If it's not on the candidate end, something on the voter end then. Perhaps an "emergency preference" where your vote would go to that second guy if and only if your first choice was somehow incapacitated? Throwing out ideas for the handful of people reading/replying constructively.
No. Our 10k voted towards our candidate. Our candidate did a Goony thing and those votes and his appointment were removed. Increment CSM by one, alternate becomes a main. Where is the problem in this? It was fair and that shouldn't mean that we lose representation, it just means that someone from our bloc is not on the council.
Do you believe that our views are not being represented? We are Eve players and you are supposed to be representing us. You are supposed to be conveying our view of the game to CCP in an effort to improve the overall game. None of us asked to change the voting system but we did ask you to represent the playerbase to CCP. What part of this is hard for the CSM to understand? Why don't you function?
Having the current CSM is basically the same as having no CSM at all.
Tell us about flying spaceships. Stop pontificating because you don't have a Mittani to carry you. Do your job. |
digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.11 00:21:00 -
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Thread still useless, CSM still useless.
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