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Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.02 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Stella SGP on 02/06/2011 06:36:15
 Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
Here's an actual case study for you. I currently have 41 long term active accounts which are entirely paid for by PLEX. I'm a mass multiboxing miner who does all sorts of highsec things, research corps, market games, freightering, etc. I am not a bot and never have been.
I am seriously considering suspending anywhere between 30 to 38 of my accounts because the PLEX situation is growing out of hand. It's becoming less and less worth my time to spend dozens of hours each month, only to break even.
Now it makes total sense that I'm using PLEX, as I'm in no way going to fork over $615 a month to upkeep my accounts. But CCP is still getting $615 a month from me, which as far as I'm concerned makes me one of their most important customers. Now I'm looking at cutting their monthly income by $570/month just by myself. The conglomeration of multiboxers who we play with are also preparing to follow suit, thus leading to a shut down of anywhere between 60-90 accounts.
This isn't a threat or a complaint or anything, it's just that under the current trends of the ingame market we can no longer sustain this many accounts
Lol, so you feel entitled to 41 accounts then. Can't afford it? Close the accounts.
Here's a hypothetical case study for you. I currently buy 41 PLEXes every month to sell and those are all paid for by cash. I like blowing things up for no good reasons and get blown up pretty often in the process. Sometimes I find it thrilling to self destruct them too! I don't engage in RMT and never have.
I am seriously considering suspending the purchase of anywhere between 30 to 38 PLEXes a month because the price of PLEX is rising too slowly. It's becoming less and less worth my money to spend hundreds of dollars each month only to break even.
Now it makes total sense that I'm using PLEX, as I'm in no way going to spend endless hours a month grinding ISK to maintain my silly habits. CCP is getting $615 a month from me, which as far as I'm concerned it makes me one of their most important customer, way more so then those who pay for game time with virtual money. Now I'm looking at cutting their monthly income by $570/month just by myself. The conglomeration of fail PvPers whom I play with are also preparing to follow suit, thus leading to anywhere between 60-90 PLEXes not being purchased from CCP.
This isn't a threat or a complaint or anything, it's just that under the current trends of the ingame market we can no longer sustain the rate at which our ships get popped.
Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
While I know this is intended to be an insult aimed at me declaring myself a valuable customer, but you're really missing the point of what I said. My case is significant because it represents the larger issue, which is that multiboxers cannot sustain their accounts as this trend continues. This represents thousands and thousands of accounts. My subgroup of this larger group of people is around 60-90 accounts. The point I was making was that this isn't a theoretical argument about what "might be", but instead of what is.
My case is significant because it represents the larger issue, which is that people buying PLEXes to sell for ISK cannot satisfy their need for ISK as this trend continues. This represents thousands and thousands of people. My subgroup of this larger group of people buys around 60-90 PLEXes per month. The point I was making was that this isn't a theoretical argument about what "might be", but instead of what is.
Who are you to tell me that my $15 dollars is only worth 300+ mils? I'll happily sell them for as much as I can get away with thank you.
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Aylara
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Posted - 2011.06.02 09:13:00 -
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If possible, set "time to die" on PLEX and be done with it. Just don't make it too long though.
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Lisa Starblazer
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.02 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
Here's an actual case study for you. I currently have 41 long term active accounts which are entirely paid for by PLEX. I'm a mass multiboxing miner who does all sorts of highsec things, research corps, market games, freightering, etc. I am not a bot and never have been.
I am seriously considering suspending anywhere between 30 to 38 of my accounts because the PLEX situation is growing out of hand. It's becoming less and less worth my time to spend dozens of hours each month, only to break even.
Now it makes total sense that I'm using PLEX, as I'm in no way going to fork over $615 a month to upkeep my accounts. But CCP is still getting $615 a month from me, which as far as I'm concerned makes me one of their most important customers. Now I'm looking at cutting their monthly income by $570/month just by myself. The conglomeration of multiboxers who we play with are also preparing to follow suit, thus leading to a shut down of anywhere between 60-90 accounts.
This isn't a threat or a complaint or anything, it's just that under the current trends of the ingame market we can no longer sustain this many accounts
thank you.
Actually if you stop playing 38 of your accounts, your not costing CCP a dime since you aren't paying for them with $$$.
What you are doing is helping reduce the inflation of PLEX prices (less demand), and likely reducing the flow of ISK into the Eve economy (if you rat/mission on any of them).
With that in mind and the topic of this thread, you'd be doing alot of the complainers a favour, so you should probably go ahead and cancel your 38 play for free accounts....
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.06.02 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Achurraa
I guess some people are in the same boat, I created extra accounts for all those "extra" alts, you know, the extra miner, the extra buidler, etc.
But with Plex prices climbing as they are, making enough isk to pay for 5 accounts translates into more time "working" in EVE. I simply do not have that much free time, and went from casual player to super casual (lol), 4 of the 5 accounts have been cancelled.
Hopefully I can still get Plex to keep some of them going, but as it is I cbf with a second job and simply do not have the RL cash to throw into this game.
Then again, with the Incarna Expansion (and zero gameplay), I'm not gonna miss much. But like many said, CCP might fix this still ...
When the plex was 350m, you can supply 5 accounts which cost 1750m isk per month. After the plex price rise to 400m, you say you have to cancel 4 of 5 accounts otherwise you will not able to afford. That is only to say you just have your income droped 1350m per month, and you have to drop 4 accounts despite whether the plex's price raised or not
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Tshien Tze
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:29:00 -
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Once you understand the basics of a market economy, things become clear. Plex is on the rise because of an increased demand, more people are buying it (speculators I guess). Also, the economy being what it is, fewer people are purchasing plex and dropping it on the market. They don't feel it's a good value for their money. Now as Plex prices rise, more of these people may begin to see a value of ISK/$ and start buying plex again, putting more plex on the market and easing demand. Also, if a few of that alts out there stop buying plex, demand drops and so does the price. In short, plex will always correct itself. Just because the price may go up does not mean the system is broken. Inflation of Plex may itself be a correction.
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Jita Bloodtear
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:40:00 -
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Lot's of bitterness in here, but that's okay. You're right that my PLEX consumption only contributes to the inflation of PLEX prices. And yes, I'm letting 28 accounts expire by the end of the month, haven't made up my mind about the others yet. PLEX prices will come down again once the demand for them decreases enough - at which point many of us will have lost our zeal for the game entirely, and might not power up again. Regardless, CCP couldn't consider the cancellation of large numbers of accounts to be good for them.
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tshien Tze
In short, plex will always correct itself. Just because the price may go up does not mean the system is broken. Inflation of Plex may itself be a correction.
True, but you're forgetting the *new* uses for PLEX (account tranfer, AUR) which increases demand as well. The system might work, but if you change the rules all the time...
What people are forgetting there is clearly a breaking point where it's not longer sustainable to afford 3+ accounts (with PLEX). Ofcourse, if you make profit (after plex) with those accounts, you're likely to still make a profit after PLEX prices double.
But.. people start dropping accounts if the profit they make in terms of ISK is so small it doesn't justify the work required (example, say i make 500m per account, after plex doubles i make 200m per account. Does 600m profit in total -or whatever- is worth logging in daily, setting up jobs all the time).
People WILL drop accounts, and small time invention/manufacturing will take a serious hit.
But, to me, CCP is all happy about this, they want to increase revenue per account (with microtransactions), and less accounts per player. Characters will become more *special* with all the personification and EVE will move more to other MMO's.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.06.04 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lisa Starblazer
Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
Here's an actual case study for you. I currently have 41 long term active accounts which are entirely paid for by PLEX. I'm a mass multiboxing miner who does all sorts of highsec things, research corps, market games, freightering, etc. I am not a bot and never have been.
I am seriously considering suspending anywhere between 30 to 38 of my accounts because the PLEX situation is growing out of hand. It's becoming less and less worth my time to spend dozens of hours each month, only to break even.
Now it makes total sense that I'm using PLEX, as I'm in no way going to fork over $615 a month to upkeep my accounts. But CCP is still getting $615 a month from me, which as far as I'm concerned makes me one of their most important customers. Now I'm looking at cutting their monthly income by $570/month just by myself. The conglomeration of multiboxers who we play with are also preparing to follow suit, thus leading to a shut down of anywhere between 60-90 accounts.
This isn't a threat or a complaint or anything, it's just that under the current trends of the ingame market we can no longer sustain this many accounts
thank you.
Actually if you stop playing 38 of your accounts, your not costing CCP a dime since you aren't paying for them with $$$.
What you are doing is helping reduce the inflation of PLEX prices (less demand), and likely reducing the flow of ISK into the Eve economy (if you rat/mission on any of them).
With that in mind and the topic of this thread, you'd be doing alot of the complainers a favour, so you should probably go ahead and cancel your 38 play for free accounts....
Learn some basics of supply and demand. Less demand means prices of plexes would go down, so less people will convert their real money to isk.
Tbh I think this whole situation will fix itself. But CCP may end up with some less accounts. Not that it matters to them if it does mean they get to sell more vanity items for real money.
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Xenuria
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.04 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Xenuria on 04/06/2011 15:40:12
Originally by: Sig Sour
Solution: $10 PLEX
If they make plex 10$ then I could afford to buy one every week. I do not need approval from my supervisor to spend 10$ on anything. So if they made an option to buy single plex for 10$ I would sooo do it like as much as possible.
OMFG PLEASE CCP PLEASE!!!!
I promise I will NEVER Pod Kill another CCP alt for as long as I live.
/beg
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Morist Intheli
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:49:00 -
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Not to be a party pooper with the big discussion, but plex prices always rise before the AT, and always drop after it. Not like this is the first time they've hit 400 mil.
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pmchem
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:48:00 -
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This thread is a nice demonstration of the contradictory demands of CCP's playerbase.
There are threadnaughts about RMT and botting. There are dozens of threads about PLEX prices rising.
Yet, to remove the economic motive RMT and botting, PLEX prices must rise. At a certain point there is no longer any advantage to buying RMT isk compared to buying a GTC and selling its PLEX in jita, so the RMT bots go out of business.
So, what do players care about more? RMT and botting or PLEX prices? I'm guessing RMT and botting. What does CCP care about? People who pay $ to sub their accounts or $ to buy GTC and sell PLEX in jita both benefit from higher PLEX prices and lower RMT/botting, so why should CCP care if PLEX prices rise? It benefits the players that give them $ and makes for a healthier long-term playerbase.
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Jamie Freely
Gallente
Merchants Exports
Rising Phoenix Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Stella SGP
Edited by: Stella SGP on 31/05/2011 23:36:36
For people who struggles with $15 a month, they really shouldn't be spending their time on any games and those that simply refuses to fork out cash are just being cheap.
For those who can afford it, but other payment methods are not accessible, I feel for you. Other then that, I don't see a problem with increasing PLEX prices.
Edit - As for increasing PLEX prices, yea it'll probably affect subscriptions, but I'd suspect most of them would be Alt accounts anyway.
Its not the $15 per month issue, its the $15*10 accounts = $150 month. Not that I care as I have been trimming down my accounts anyways and I sit on more isk than most but its all the extra accounts that will be canceled in this not the primary accounts.
Those extra accounts help small alliances do things like have a capital fleet and scouts, or indy skills and pvpers. With stealing so much part of the game and with so much that has to be done to build capitals many have to use alt accounts to pull this off. Next you will say that you shouldn't do so much on your own but with capital building you have nearly 5 caps worth of mats in the pipeline at any one time so you want to turn that over to some guy?? that you only know online? You want a JF full of moon goo to be moved by some random or BPOs or what ever in the reach of people that have no real risk if they steal it?
To do what big alliances do that requires a handful of people to have alt corps/or alliances like me<--alt to a titan and supercap pilots and former builder that have an extra 100 billion that can hold on to BPOs and move 20 billion in assets because for the most part its more profitable for us to do the daily grind to finish and sell the ships than to make a single score.
But I don't care anymore as I am moving on but don't be stupid and think that eve is just a one account game for the end users; because in its basic design it forces people to have many roles to fill.
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Jamie Freely
Gallente
Merchants Exports
Rising Phoenix Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.04 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tshien Tze
Once you understand the basics of a market economy, things become clear. Plex is on the rise because of an increased demand, more people are buying it (speculators I guess). Also, the economy being what it is, fewer people are purchasing plex and dropping it on the market. They don't feel it's a good value for their money. Now as Plex prices rise, more of these people may begin to see a value of ISK/$ and start buying plex again, putting more plex on the market and easing demand. Also, if a few of that alts out there stop buying plex, demand drops and so does the price. In short, plex will always correct itself. Just because the price may go up does not mean the system is broken. Inflation of Plex may itself be a correction.
Its on the raise because American schools only go 3/4 a year and school is out, so more broke ass kids sitting at home playing games. But fear not in the fall when those same kiddys go back to school plex demand will fall and prices will go back down, till winter time and then pick back up a bit then down till next summer.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.04 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: pmchem
...so why should CCP care if PLEX prices rise?
sell 150,000 units at $15 you end up with $2,250,000 revenue.
sell 300,000 units at $10 you end up with $3,000,000 revenue.
People can squabble all they want about $15 but when people such as myself have cut back from 5 to 2 accounts, they may be missing out on potential revenue they could get if they lowered the price.
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2011.06.04 18:33:00 -
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All I can really comment is that I will never, ever again pay for this broken, bloody-nosed, degrading game. PLEX or quit.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.04 18:59:00 -
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Speculation is driving the price increase.
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Is CCP considering this possible outcome of being tampering with the PLEX system beyond it's original design?
why should they and why should you care.. if you know something is coming you should prepare.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:29:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 04/06/2011 19:34:35
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: pmchem
...so why should CCP care if PLEX prices rise?
sell 150,000 units at $15 you end up with $2,250,000 revenue.
sell 300,000 units at $10 you end up with $3,000,000 revenue.
People can squabble all they want about $15 but when people such as myself have cut back from 5 to 2 accounts, they may be missing out on potential revenue they could get if they lowered the price.
You're missing parts of the equasion.
If CCP sells 10 plexes they earn $175 but if they in turn are used to get gametime they lose $150 so the net profit is just $25.
If CCP sells 10 plexes they earn $175 but if 5 are used to get gametime and 5 are used for AUR vanity stuff they only lose $75 so the net profit is $100.
If CCP only sells 4 plexes they earn $70 and if 3 are used to get gametime and 1 is used for AUR vanity stuff they lose $45 so the net profit is still $25.
So if the number of sold plexes drop a little CCP still makes a lot more profit when the plexes are partially used for AUR vanity stuff. I think CCP wil only interfere if the break even point between less plexes sold/more profit made drops under the profit they made before AUR stuff. Which won't happen anytime soon as every plex turned into AUR makes them 7 times as much profit as a plex that's redeemed as gametime.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
You're missing parts of the equasion.
If CCP sells 10 plexes they earn $175 but if they in turn are used to get gametime they lose $150 so the net profit is just $25.
If CCP sells 10 plexes they earn $175 but if 5 are used to get gametime and 5 are used for AUR vanity stuff they only lose $75 so the net profit is $100.
If CCP only sells 4 plexes they earn $70 and if 3 are used to get gametime and 1 is used for AUR vanity stuff they lose $45 so the net profit is still $25.
So if the number of sold plexes drop a little CCP still makes a lot more profit when the plexes are partially used for AUR vanity stuff. I think CCP wil only interfere if the break even point between less plexes sold/more profit made drops under the profit they made before AUR stuff. Which won't happen anytime soon as every plex turned into AUR makes them 7 times as much profit as a plex that's redeemed as gametime.
Are you drunk? The only way they lose revenue is if they refund money to customers. I don't know what their costs are so I cant speak profits.
The thing is if people say "I am only willing to spend $20 on Eve this month" and the price brackets are in $15 increments, they lose out on the potential $5 someone was willing to spend. The service PLEX offers is being extended to micro transactions which would, in an AMERICAN company, cause the business to review its pricing to balance it by services available/customer base/potential revenue. I'm not sure if Icelandic companies is that business savvy or if they just go with the flow. I guess we will see.
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Tach Narrows
Eden Security Intelligence
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:46:00 -
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You are all whiners. It's EVE. You are bound to get burned. If you are unable to cope with the situation, boo-F-ing-hoo. Who says you need to have 115 accounts? PLEX is a commodity like any other, it jumps in prices in relation to the supply and demand.
Now, when someone manipulates the market and puts you in an ISK-losing position, do you whine here? No.
When someone destroys your super capital, do you whine to anybody? Well, yes, but you don't really go out making demands for CCP's intervention.
Consider your accounts an item in the sea of EVE. You're bound to lose it if you are not good enough. Now, stop being a child, go back to EVE and make your ISK like a man.
The prices will self-correct. I don't mean to sound harsh, but people, get serious. It wouldn't kill you to support EVE every once in a while with an actual payment.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 04/06/2011 19:53:45
Originally by: Sig Sour
Are you drunk? The only way they lose revenue is if they refund money to customers. I don't know what their costs are so I cant speak profits.
Well I hope you do understand that if I buy a plex for $17.50 but use it for 30 days of gametime CCP misses out on 1 month of subscription worth $15 - so their net profit for selling the plex is just $2.50?
And no I just had a few white wines. Are you drunk?
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kloio
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:52:00 -
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hey maybe plex aren't raising in price.. maybe isk just lowers in value. Is there inflation in eve?
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Jita Ling Jo
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:03:00 -
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LOL @ 41 accounts.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Well I hope you do understand that if I buy a plex for $17.50 but use it for 30 days of gametime CCP misses out on 1 month of subscription worth $15 - so their net profit for selling the plex is just $2.50?
And no I just had a few white wines. Are you drunk?
edit: You're basically asking to lower the subscription to $10 a month. Which isn't going to happen.
:facepalm:
I must be stupid, go ahead an explain to me how giving them $17.50 for a subscription for a month turns into $2.50 they can pay their employees & electrical bills with.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 04/06/2011 20:13:31
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Well I hope you do understand that if I buy a plex for $17.50 but use it for 30 days of gametime CCP misses out on 1 month of subscription worth $15 - so their net profit for selling the plex is just $2.50?
And no I just had a few white wines. Are you drunk?
edit: You're basically asking to lower the subscription to $10 a month. Which isn't going to happen.
:facepalm:
I must be stupid, go ahead an explain to me how giving them $17.50 for a subscription for a month turns into $2.50 they can pay their employees & electrical bills with.
I was comparing the effect of rising plex prices, AUR items on CCP's profit from plexes, not from normal subscriptions.
And you were still asking to lower the subscription to $10 so you could play with 5 accounts instead of 2.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I was comparing the effect of rising plex prices, AUR items on their profit from plexes, not from normal subscriptions.
And you were still asking to lower the subscription to $10 so you could play with 5 accounts instead of 2.
You said they only make $2.50 profit off a $17.50 plex that was sold. I still don't follow your logic, and you do not seem to be able to explain it.
I suggested they review their pricing, I never asked for it.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I was comparing the effect of rising plex prices, AUR items on their profit from plexes, not from normal subscriptions.
And you were still asking to lower the subscription to $10 so you could play with 5 accounts instead of 2.
You said they only make $2.50 profit off a $17.50 plex that was sold. I still don't follow your logic, and you do not seem to be able to explain it.
Well you must be drunk then, I'm so sorry :)
1) I buy a plex, CCP gets $17.50;
2) I redeem the plex for gametime or sell it on the market and someone else uses it for gametime;
3) I (or the plex buyer) get 30 days of gametime "free" instead of paying subscription worth $15;
4) CCP doesn't get my (or someone else's) $15 subscription this month;
5) CCP got my $17.50 though for the plex but not my $15 for subscription so they still have an extra $17.50 - $15.00 = $2.50 profit from selling a plex that's being used for gametime.
That's $2.50 on top of any profit they make from the regular $15.00, be it $0.01 or $14.99.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
1) I buy a plex, CCP gets $17.50;
2) I redeem the plex for gametime or sell it on the market and someone else uses it for gametime;
3) I (or the plex buyer) get 30 days of gametime "free" instead of paying subscription worth $15;
4) CCP doesn't get my (or someone else's) $15 subscription this month;
5) CCP got my $17.50 though for the plex but not my $15 for subscription so they still have an extra $17.50 - $15.00 = $2.50 profit from selling a plex that's being used for gametime.
That's $2.50 on top of any profit they make from the regular $15.00, be it $0.01 or $14.99.
If the plex is used for AUR or character transfer or whatever they get the full $17.50 on top of any profit they make from the regular $15.00, not instead.
So for any plex not used for adding gametime they earn 7 times as much from plex. So even if the plex sales decrease by 50% they earn a lot more as long as theyŚre not used for gametime but AUR or transfers or whatever.
So is what you are trying to say is that "CCP makes additional revenue off PLEX being used for game time as opposed to subscription fees"? You should look up "profit" and figure out what that word means.
If that is what you are trying to say, then what does that have to do with my original statement?
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
edit: understand that if I buy a plex for $17.50 but I (or someone else) use it for 30 days of gametime CCP misses out on 1 month of subscription worth $15 - so their net profit for selling the plex is just $2.50.
Quoted for when you sober up and use a dictionary to figure out what you said there.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
So is what you are trying to say is that "CCP makes additional revenue off PLEX being used for game time as opposed to subscription fees"? You should look up "profit" and figure out what that word means.
Yes they do, that's part of it.
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If that is what you are trying to say, then what does that have to do with my original statement?
You said about plex "sell 150,000 units at $15 you end up with $2,250,000 revenue.
sell 300,000 units at $10 you end up with $3,000,000 revenue."
You're not taking into account that those sold plexes are being used for gametime so are actually only "instead of" subscription not "on top of".
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.06.04 21:10:00 -
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I pay for 5500 accounts through plex every month and I buy probably 100-200 plex for each acount every month as spending money (i like to play my way don't judge)
anyways, if things don't go my way i might stop buying roughly 1 million plex every month and ccp should really think about that because i'm forreals yo
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