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Manda Rin
Minmatar Sexy Thoughts
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:41:00 -
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Okay, I'm about fed up with this form of dirty fighting and would like to attempt to get you nice folks at CCP to act on this. There's been complaints for the longest about Alts in newbie corps running around creating havoc all the while protected by Concord while in the security blanket of Empire. I don't have a problem with allowing that, however, I do feel that using such an alt to assist in combat should be an exploit; allow me to explain.
Corp A is at war with Corp B. Corp A uses an alt to gather intelligence on Corp B by scanning the ships cargo and loadouts. They also create BM's or are used as a warp to point for a fleet warp to jump into an egagement at a desired range (if ganged at the last second). Once combat ensues, the alts orbit the enemy vessels at close range and/or orbit their own fleet ships in hopes of getting hit with smartbomb damage, thus bringing Concord to assist in their fight.
This SHOULD be considered an exploit because: 1) The alts are clearly being used for military operations. 2) There are limited amounts of defensive weapons, especially for those flying in an Indy class ship, this activity negates the opportunity for defense without penalty. 3) The tactics are done to intentionally draw Concord into the battle to assist with their efforts against their enemies.
Abviously, the system is as it is for a reason, to protect the innocent bystandards. So, here are a few ideas I propose to combat this.
1) CCP isn't going to want to give back ships/items from anyone being hit by this exploit, hard enough to prove as it is. Easiest thing to do is make the SmartBombs even smarter. Have the SB only effect HOSTILES, those targets actually at a war condition, those that have fired upon you, or those criminally flagged. At least in empire space.
2) Provide more defense options that don't require an area of effect! Anti-missile drones, smarter defender missiles, missile bays and/or drone bays for Indy's.
3) Make scanning ships a hostile act. Would take care of the alt ship scanners, but can't say I'm really a big fan of this idea.
4) Create Temporary Combat Zone Declarations. Perhaps a launchable beacon declaring a large radius a termporary combat zone. Non-warring ships will have 30 seconds to vacate the area else be considered a valid target. The becon might read, "if you can read this, then you can be fired upon". A large visible semi-transparent sphere could outline the temporary combat zone. Such zones could last for 5-10 minutes, after which time the beacon self-destructs. This idea has a large potention for exploit as well, but thought it might inspire some thoughts from others.
I know there's going to be praisers and complainers about this one, but I think we can find a fair solution to this dirty form of gameplay.
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Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:55:00 -
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Confirming Concord ruins the game.
Please remove Concord.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 02/06/2011 17:59:43 Edited by: Jack Tronic on 02/06/2011 17:59:29 Edited by: Jack Tronic on 02/06/2011 17:58:01 Stop right there!
Quote: orbit their own fleet ships in hopes of getting hit with smartbomb damage, thus bringing Concord to assist in their fight.
Smartbombs in highsec are fail.
So defensive weapons agaisnt alts. 1. DONT SHOUT THAT YOU ARE MOVING A FREIGHTER AND ARE CURRENTLY IN SYSTEM XXX IN CORP CHAT 2. Kick the alt. 3. Moving **** with a wardec in industrials with in corp characters means you are pro.
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Brother Papalazaru
Amarr Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:58:00 -
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Thread title needs changing. Came expecting opinions about DDossing, spying, hacking, stealing etc etc. Everthing your describing sounds completely normal game mechanics to me.
Oh and...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin
4) Create Temporary Combat Zone Declarations. Perhaps a launchable beacon declaring a large radius a termporary combat zone. Non-warring ships will have 30 seconds to vacate the area else be considered a valid target. The becon might read, "if you can read this, then you can be fired upon". A large visible semi-transparent sphere could outline the temporary combat zone. Such zones could last for 5-10 minutes, after which time the beacon self-destructs. This idea has a large potention for exploit as well, but thought it might inspire some thoughts from others.
Wow, just wow!
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Deadloch
Amarr One Wounded Wing
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:10:00 -
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You've inspired thoughts and opinions that's for sure...
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Griznatch
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:46:00 -
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whats stopping you from using a neutral hauler to move your ****? stop crying about foul play when you CHOOSE not to use the same tricks. its not unfair if everyone can do it
Quote: whats a signature?
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tofucake prime
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:37:00 -
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Everyone look at OP's picture.
Now feel ashamed that you all got trolled.
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L3pp3r
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: L3pp3r on 02/06/2011 20:40:16 You know the ability/necessity of outsmarting the other guy is one of the core themes of eve right?
Oh I agree remove concord.
possibly ashamed. trolls shouldn't use so many words.
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Manda Rin
Minmatar Sexy Thoughts
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: tofucake prime Everyone look at OP's picture.
Now feel ashamed that you all got trolled.
What is wrong with my picture?
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Arvald
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin
Originally by: tofucake prime Everyone look at OP's picture.
Now feel ashamed that you all got trolled.
What is wrong with my picture?
everything
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Enik3
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:07:00 -
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1. Why would you ever use SBs in hisec? 2. Defensive mods beyond ECCM would be kind of cool; like maybe a midslot item that dropped 'chaff'. 3. There's nothing that keeps you from scanning the competition as well. Each account can create two alts -- use 'em! 4. What?
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Triple Entendre
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Enik3 1. Why would you ever use SBs in hisec?
Personal amusement and/or ore belt protection. Mostly the former.
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YUMAD BRO
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:36:00 -
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hahahahahahaha
OMG CRY MOAR NOOB!!
p.s. NUB
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Coarition of Poorry Stereotyped Asian Peopre
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Manda Rin
Originally by: tofucake prime Everyone look at OP's picture.
Now feel ashamed that you all got trolled.
What is wrong with my picture?
everything
Arvard needs to fix sig portrait
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.02 22:44:00 -
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You're wrong: foul play and meta-gaming are what keeps Eve balanced. Many powerhouses which would not have fallen in conventional war have been dismantled through shady means. Those powerhouses would still be here, still entrenched and immovable, were it not for those dirty tricks.
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Zheng Xie
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Posted - 2011.06.02 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu You're wrong: foul play and meta-gaming are what keeps Eve balanced. Many powerhouses which would not have fallen in conventional war have been dismantled through shady means. Those powerhouses would still be here, still entrenched and immovable, were it not for those dirty tricks.
One Example
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Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.02 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Papalazaru Thread title needs changing. Came expecting opinions about DDossing, spying, hacking, stealing etc etc. Everthing your describing sounds completely normal game mechanics to me.
Oh and...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming
Same here... I have had people "Try" to DDoS my connection before. One time some Russian Guy Tried to DDoS me and I hijacked his botnet in under 15 mins and then used it against him. That was fun... Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice |
slickdog
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:17:00 -
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People crying like this moron will eventually turn eve in to wow and it will fail. Stop crying .. U want to be safe go back to wow u moron
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Lootifer
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: slickdog People crying like this moron will eventually turn eve in to wow and it will fail. Stop crying .. U want to be safe go back to wow u moron
I play both, and whole-heartedly agree.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2011.06.03 04:17:00 -
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Get out of empire, empire sucks as bad as it does to inspire people to GTFO and play the game for real in 0.0 or low-sec. If you live full time in empire honestly there isn't even any reason to pay your subscription as you are doing it wrong.
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Angsty Teenager
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Posted - 2011.06.03 04:19:00 -
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It does not.
You are wrong.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin What is wrong with my picture?
I'm lovin' itÖ -
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fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:10:00 -
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when space police metagame, they hear their enemy is using tengus. so they bring tracking disruptors.
while most people get better, space police get worse
balance.
Originally by: Skippermonkey keep trying and you can be an hero just like fgft Athonille
Originally by: Singeaboot Raj Tbh i am beginning to see the win - it's the haircut, makes people take notice.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:16:00 -
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Foul play and metagaming brought PvP to my last relationship. -
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Ne Torius
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin
3) Make scanning ships a hostile act. Would take care of the alt ship scanners, but can't say I'm really a big fan of this idea.
Exactly... perfect example of how the game mechanics are skewed way out of reality in favor of gankers/pirates to begin with. Scanning is a hostile act, period, just as ecm jamming is a hostile act. If CCP could make the rules consistent without giving in to the temptation to "play god" in a few selected areas the whole game would be better. Scanning is just as intrusive as jamming and should cause aggression flag... except someone who decided this point is playing god and messed it all up... stop pandering to the pirates/gankers ccp.
Strength, Courage, Compassion, Honesty, Intellect, Responsibility.
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:09:00 -
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how about not using smartbombs in highsec? you deserve to get concorded if you are dumb enough to do that.
I mean seriously, you do something stoopid (with 2 Os) and then come in here moaning that the game should be changed to accomidate your fail playstyle?
really?
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Kikkoman6
Amarr NON PROPERO
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:16:00 -
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Zixie Draco
Gallente The Queue
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:42:00 -
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Gitchee some isk and go get yourself a nice facial, and little portrait makeover..maybe some new curtains....because DAYY-UM.
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Doom Bang
Gonzo.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kikkoman6
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