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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:59:00 -
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Are there any news on the CSM May 2011 meeting?
I know it takes time to write them down properly, but could we maybe see some of the notes, maybe?
Please? :D
Just some kind of update would be nice 
o/
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"I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." - Heavy Weapons Guy |
Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:04:00 -
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Two step posted on failheap yesterday that they where aprox halfway done with the transcriptions. I give it another two weeks.
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Garekell
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Posted - 2011.06.05 05:14:00 -
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Pathetic - incredibly slow and lethargic - and why no one pays attention to the CSM any longer. This whole forum area is a dead zone.
 Originally by: Salpun
Two step posted on failheap yesterday that they where aprox halfway done with the transcriptions. I give it another two weeks.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.05 12:14:00 -
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The minutes need to go through a drafting and review process. At present, 8 of the 18 sessions have gotten to the first draft stage.
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Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
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Posted - 2011.06.06 00:34:00 -
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If it happens by the end of June I'll be pleasantly pleased. The teaser was a good preview of what to expect; can't wait to see the details.
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.06 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The minutes need to go through a drafting and review process. At present, 8 of the 18 sessions have gotten to the first draft stage.
Ah yes, the good old days where you wrote down a summary, deleted the parts under the NDA, and where good to go.
Thanks for the information, Trebor, it is much appreciated, nonetheless
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"I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." - Heavy Weapons Guy |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.06 04:20:00 -
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Question. Should you wait for tommroow to draft the details on dust? Most of it might not be NDA anymore right?
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Habaticus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:50:00 -
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For crying out loud - transcribe - review - exchange - agree and publish - it's not that complicated with instant online communications. You guys remind me of a monkey f#c#i#g a football. Please post in CSM sites - news and rumor all over the place and deathly silence on the official forums. We all realize CSM does not read "Assembly Hall," because you know better than us, but at least communicate with us on the official forums instead of 0.0 related sites and blogs.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:55:00 -
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Just finished my two subjects and submitted them.
The process works like this:
At the summit every one of our sessions was recorded. Each of us chose a few sessions and are going through the video so we can make sure we didn't miss anything important that needs to be relayed. We all write up descriptions of what was discussed, and send it to the CSM panel as a whole and also to CCP so it can be edited for anything NDA breaking. Once everybody is ok with it being released (CSM for style/substance, CCP for NDA) the entire minutes will be released.
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Heavenly Voice
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:25:00 -
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Cant wait for the videos then.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Heavenly Voice
Cant wait for the videos then.
I hope you can since they will never ever be released! (NDA). If the content of the summit could be released I wouldn't have had to do up all those words writing minutes :)That's why the minutes have to be scrubbed by CCP to make sure nothing nda gets through.
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Shepard Book on 10/06/2011 19:46:57
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Heavenly Voice
Cant wait for the videos then.
I hope you can since they will never ever be released! (NDA). If the content of the summit could be released I wouldn't have had to do up all those words writing minutes :)That's why the minutes have to be scrubbed by CCP to make sure nothing nda gets through.
N.M. I just read the other post.
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Habaticus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.12 05:52:00 -
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Thanks
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:53:00 -
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Status update:
19 sessions, 13 completed. Last few should be done in the next couple of days then CCP scrubs them.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Status update:
19 sessions, 13 completed. Last few should be done in the next couple of days then CCP scrubs them.
so... you'll have finished around CQ launch... but how much time will need CCP ? a few days ? more than a week ?
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Vile rat
Status update:
19 sessions, 13 completed. Last few should be done in the next couple of days then CCP scrubs them.
so... you'll have finished around CQ launch... but how much time will need CCP ? a few days ? more than a week ?
I haven't the foggiest!
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.14 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The minutes need to go through a drafting and review process. At present, 8 of the 18 sessions have gotten to the first draft stage.
Oh my Goddess, you make modern western democracies look efficient! 
At this rate we'll have the minutes in hand by the time the next session is ready to begin .. hahahahaha (read: hurry up, we need drama).
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
At this rate we'll have the minutes in hand by the time the next session is ready to begin .. hahahahaha (read: hurry up, we need drama).
Surely not; the CSM minutes will be nice, relaxing bedtime reading, with puppies and kittens on every page.
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Scanner717
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Posted - 2011.06.15 03:15:00 -
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Can I just ask a dumb question, Why the NDA in the first place. Really, if its stuff that is progress and being worked on for EVE Online, a game that is live not something that a year from release, why does it need to be shrouded in secrecy anyway. Who's going to steal it, who cares other than Eve Online Players. If they are filling your meetings with a bunch of stuff about WoD and whatever they call the aurum store, then why are they telling about those games. They're not fully developed and CSM' experience with EVE won't help in the development of those other two games.
Fake Edit: I could give a credit to CCP explaining exploits and they're fixes to the CSM, that would be NDA.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.15 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Scanner717
Can I just ask a dumb question..
Imagine you were privy to information about blueprint mineral changes, moon redistributions, module/ship changes and had weeks or months to act on it .. CSM members and their buddies could make trillions 
One example: Gistii AB's sold for a couple of million prior to QR patch and rose to current level of 20M+ immediately following it.
The way it was handled is how it should be, everyone got the same information at the same time by way of the patch notes.
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Cedille Mureau
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Posted - 2011.06.15 10:46:00 -
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So, from what I can gather, the proceedings between CCP and the CSM are so "sooper sekret" that there is an NDA in place, right? What's the point of having "player representation" as embodied in the CSM if things are kept so tightly shrouded in mystery that if you told us what was really going on you'd have to kill us? Or to quote "Blazing Saddles "or are we just jerking off?"
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:49:00 -
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The vast majority of things discussed at the CSM summits are not covered by NDA, and are disclosed in the minutes. In fact, I am sometimes surprised by how much CCP is willing to make public.
There are, however, some things -- mostly related to upcoming changes to the game, statistics about the game (such as subscriber statistics), and CCP business strategy, that get sealed under NDA.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:53:00 -
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I can't wait for the notes. I have a feeling some nice info will be revealed.
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Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:30:00 -
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As posted over on Failheap By Trebor
Update:
Delivered: Trebor 7, Mittens 5, Vile Rat 2, Two Step 2, Elise Randolph 3
Assigned but not delivered: Diagoras 1 (intro session, non-controversial, almost completed)
Yet to be done:
CCP comments & CSM reaction
Final editing, style conformation -- my job
Final draft review
I am pushing for a release date of Monday, June 27.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 03:05:00 -
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So sometime next month if we are lucky?
In all honesty, this is unacceptable. I don't know what is taking so long but holy **** this is pathetic. Whatever it is you guys are doing, it obviously is not effective. Maybe stop playing tanks for a day and hammer the minutes out or something. lol
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.18 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
So sometime next month if we are lucky?
In all honesty, this is unacceptable. I don't know what is taking so long but holy **** this is pathetic. Whatever it is you guys are doing, it obviously is not effective. Maybe stop playing tanks for a day and hammer the minutes out or something. lol
Look at the list above; those who voted for people not listed there are to blame for the delay.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:38:00 -
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FYI
Trebor on twitter: 3rd draft of CSM Summit minutes completed.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:50:00 -
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did the CSM get told about the price range CCP was looking at for vanity items?
It's not the price as much as thinking thye didn't have to tell us that bothers me.
And MORE so, if they didn't tellthe CSM...
seriously someone from CSM tell me they were told so I can gain a little bit of sanity back.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
did the CSM get told about the price range CCP was looking at for vanity items?
It's not the price as much as thinking thye didn't have to tell us that bothers me.
And MORE so, if they didn't tellthe CSM...
seriously someone from CSM tell me they were told so I can gain a little bit of sanity back.
The CSM was not told anything about the price range. Check the blogs of Trebor and Seleene.
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:42:00 -
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Um, yeah. Notes anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo
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Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:17:00 -
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good question, altough there are more pressing matters right now
Max Kolonko |
Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Max Kolonko
good question, altough there are more pressing matters right now
must be on ccp hands now. and given the timing and situation, i think we'll have them after the minutes of the exceptionnal summit
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Unforgiven Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:55:00 -
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someone form CSM said Monday.
So were are the CSM May meetings?
more than 1 month as gone by!!!!
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:06:00 -
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CCP's hands. We've been done for a while now :)
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
CCP's hands. We've been done for a while now :)
Care to put down a date when you all finally finished and handed it to CCP? It would also be nice to know who did what, when they started those minutes and when they finished them.
Seems like you all ignored them for a couple weeks after the summit before starting on them. Procrastination is bad didn't you know? Just think, if you guys had did them right after the summit like you should have, the players would be more informed about the current situation perhaps.
Am I wrong?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:13:00 -
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I don't get the NDA business.
I mean, if they tell the CSM anything, then that should be passed along to the players. That's kind of the whole point of the CSM, I thought: player communication.
The Chewbacca Defense comes to mind as that does not make sense!
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Gibsie
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Posted - 2011.07.02 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
I don't get the NDA business.
I mean, if they tell the CSM anything, then that should be passed along to the players. That's kind of the whole point of the CSM, I thought: player communication.
The Chewbacca Defense comes to mind as that does not make sense!
On the other hand ... How can they discuss about something ... With this kind of infos ...
NDA not signed ...
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Ewan Asif Hareka
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Posted - 2011.07.02 11:39:00 -
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I say, has anyone seen the minutes of the CSM6 summit held a couple of months ago? I don't seem to be able to find them.
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Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.02 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
CCP's hands. We've been done for a while now :)
Vile, if it's done, then you folks need to hold CCP by the nose and kick 'em in the ass to get it out the door. Make 'em understand they are doing no one - least of all themselves - any favors by sitting on it and figuring ways to weasel-word stuff.
Enough is enough. Release the damn minutes; release the damn results of the last couple days. No more prevarication or delays.
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Bane Darkblade
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Posted - 2011.07.05 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Heavenly Voice
Cant wait for the videos then.
I hope you can since they will never ever be released! (NDA). If the content of the summit could be released I wouldn't have had to do up all those words writing minutes :)That's why the minutes have to be scrubbed by CCP to make sure nothing nda gets through.
Honestly, the whole idea that we elect CSMs that are then subject to a complete media blackout due to a non-disclosure agreement is ridiculous.
Release the videos. Release the minutes. In the video where something is discussed that can't be revealed to the general public, black it out with no sound or tell us how many minutes of the video are missing. Let us see our CSMs in action. Let the players see and hear they are fighting for their electors or be revealed if they are not. Not letting us see actual discussion has lead most players to believe our CSMs are straw men.
CCP could have two people dedicate a day each to watching the videos and editing them like this as well as check for NDA issues. For the cost of a couple monacles this could be done. CCP has delayed this way too long.
We don't want sound bites. We don't want colorful, media-friendly quotes. We don't want minutes so edited and sterilized they bear no resemblance to the meeting they are from.
WE. WANT. TO. KNOW. WTF. IS. GOING. ON.
NOW.
2 Subscriptions cancelled until the last 2 meetings are posted in full.
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Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.08 01:27:00 -
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any news??????????????????????
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.09 02:16:00 -
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So has CCP been bugged to get these minutes out? I'd really love to read them. |
Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.07.09 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Vapour on 09/07/2011 09:59:11
I'd love to see these nearly two months old minutes to count the number of dev blogs on non-spacebarbie things promised to be published 'soon'. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.11 07:30:00 -
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2 months and several controversies removed, one would wonder if the minutes will even be relevent at this point.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:20:00 -
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Minutes should be out this week, buy :popcorn: now before the inevitable price rise.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:24:00 -
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I personally get more and more the feeling the CSM doesn't do what it is meant to do.
They are representatives of and by the playerbase. But I don't really see that happening anymore.
Arnar made a slipup in the video where he clearly said that CCP has no intentions of bringing in anything else than vanity goods into EVE today.
But what about tomorrow or next week?
I still haven't seen a ferm no to gold ammo or other stuff.
Also I don't see clearly stipulated what is considered gamebreaking. Playerbase vieuw will differ on that with CCP's vieuw.
Our CSM got steamrolled by CCP and the big bad Goon lawyer is exactly the same type of guy as those who don't / can't communicate with the playerbase.
It's all easy said they had heated discussions, but were they discussions about players concerns or about what to order at the Nordica?
This whole vague crap which to contribute to the NDA is nothing more than that. Crap.
Now they have to brush and polish the minutes till it completely fits into the same line of all the other nonsaying bullcrap they used over the course of time.
Not one of those people dares to speak open and clearly and it only shows one thing.
We are being misrepresented. and we are being held on the short end of a long stick.
I am disappointed by the CSM which has subcome to just another marketing tool for CCP and I am disappointed by CCP by more and more turning the EA route.
CSM delegates which said they would show how to rattle a cage only rattle the player cages for CCP now.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
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Posted - 2011.07.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
I personally get more and more the feeling the CSM doesn't do what it is meant to do.
They are representatives of and by the playerbase. But I don't really see that happening anymore.
Arnar made a slipup in the video where he clearly said that CCP has no intentions of bringing in anything else than vanity goods into EVE today.
But what about tomorrow or next week?
I still haven't seen a ferm no to gold ammo or other stuff.
Also I don't see clearly stipulated what is considered gamebreaking. Playerbase vieuw will differ on that with CCP's vieuw.
Our CSM got steamrolled by CCP and the big bad Goon lawyer is exactly the same type of guy as those who don't / can't communicate with the playerbase.
It's all easy said they had heated discussions, but were they discussions about players concerns or about what to order at the Nordica?
This whole vague crap which to contribute to the NDA is nothing more than that. Crap.
Now they have to brush and polish the minutes till it completely fits into the same line of all the other nonsaying bullcrap they used over the course of time.
Not one of those people dares to speak open and clearly and it only shows one thing.
We are being misrepresented. and we are being held on the short end of a long stick.
I am disappointed by the CSM which has subcome to just another marketing tool for CCP and I am disappointed by CCP by more and more turning the EA route.
CSM delegates which said they would show how to rattle a cage only rattle the player cages for CCP now.
The fact that the notes are not available yet is not the fault of the CSM. They are waiting on CCP to react.
I think we should praise the CSM for the work they did already. Don't blame them for stuff that is not their falut.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.12 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 12/07/2011 13:37:14
Originally by: Killer Gandry
But what about tomorrow or next week? I still haven't seen a ferm no to gold ammo or other stuff.
Who knows what happens 3-4 years hence? It could be that CCP makes a deal with some online company where we can transfer ISK back into the real world in the form of store credit or something. Market is still very young when it comes to the whole virtual currency thing.
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Also I don't see clearly stipulated what is considered gamebreaking. Playerbase vieuw will differ on that with CCP's vieuw.
Common sense, apply it. Something that is on par or beyond something attainable only through oodles of :effort: would be gamebreaking for instance.
Originally by: Killer Gandry
We are being misrepresented. and we are being held on the short end of a long stick.
As the NC-Goon voting bloc was ever so happy to point out: "Democracy in action". You get what you deserve, no point in moaning about it after the fact .. at least we got a few decent people in there and they seem to be rubbing off on the bloc (or maybe its because they lost ingame influence and can devote more time to CSM matters )
You have both a wrong idea of what the CSM is and what the Week-of-the-Emo was all about. Figure those out and you'll see that at least half you paranoia is unfounded.
PS: May minutes appear to have been posted, Available in left side.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.12 13:51:00 -
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And if you shift **** through enough siffs at the end you get clear water.
Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life. |
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