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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:55:00 -
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I'm...sorry?
What you have amounts to a complaint about space graffiti.
I'm not, I admit, as familiar with Federation culture as I might like to be, but I had been lead to believe one of the things often said to be a freedom is that of being able to express whatever you wish, especially if it's a different ideological viewpoint. Maybe I have been missinformed.
There are...many things a self-labeled 'Voice of Freedom' could be championing, (and most I had expected to see when I looked into this thread), I wasn't expecting an anti-littering message.
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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:38:00 -
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Hmm. Now I am intrigued.
How, exactly, do you define 'Freedom', pilot Aidem?
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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Emoh Aidem
Freedom is the allowing of making your own choices upto the point of not interfering with others personal choices. A Federal Democracy isn't alway a pretty thing to see in action. Opposing view and self interest. Not everyone agrees on the bounds of such liberties. Some would chose to impose their will through means that might needed when there are other ways of doing it. There are offical means, even though I might not agree with concord they have safetly put message boards that are clearly marked for such use.
I see.
Not too sure I agree with that definition. Freedom means just that; freedom to decide for yourself, to make your own decisions. This is not the same as everyone just doing what they want; that assumes there are no consequences to the choices you make. You should be allowed to say what you wish; you have to accept that there may be consequences to doing so.
Walking right up to an overly body-modded brutor mand and insulting his lineage, is a choice you have. That doesn't neccessarly make it a wise one. Nor can you turn round and say, 'What? I was just exercising my freedoms!'. So was he. He used it to punch you in the face.
The limitations should not be imposed on you by someone else, unless you so choose them to be.
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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem
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All pod pilots are a slave to the technology.
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And that would be an...interesting way to try to steer the argument. Allow me to counter with: it was a choice we made. I'm not aware of anyone that is 'forced' to become a pilot, and do all of the things we can and do do. Granted many things may have happened to us we did not expect to happen, but the decision to become what we are is still our decision.
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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Emoh Aidem
Freedom is the allowing of making your own choices upto the point of not interfering with others personal choices.
And if one's personal choices include attacking neutral shipping, interfering with other corporations business, bumping and baiting and generally making oneself a nuisance?
Would you consider that was an exmple of interfering with other's personal choices?
It's still his choice to do so. He and his compatriots are more that welcome to choose that path.
They just have to accept that it can lead to unexpected consequences.
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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Oh I quite agree Nausea, I just wanted to see if he would agree also since he has previously attempted to frame the notion of "freedom" as only existing as long as it doesn't impact others. (Which I understand to be the reason He *Moira* would like our propaganda cans taken down by "the authorities").
*Smiles* Ah, well, that is the heart of it really. All choices will impact on others, sooner or later, and often in unknowable, exciting ways. Believing otherwise is rather naive.
Once you accept that your actions have consequences, everything gets much more interesting. Taking responsibility for those consequences even more so. Asking a third party to intercede so that you can effecitvely palm-off that responsibility is rather... distasteful to me.
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Nausea
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Absolutely agreed. Quite amusing we see so eye to eye on this issue Nausea (given the situation that such third party intercessions have left our relative organizations).
Most definatly amusing, I have to agree. Unexpected consequences at their best.
This sort of thing warrants an indepth discussion with the aid of alchoholic beverages at somepoint I think...
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