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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 14:25:52 Roguehalo does have an irritating tendency to call scam. However, making ungrounded claims about peoples' underlying attitudes towards your religion and trying to broadcast RL personal details is definitely not a legitimate response. That this was nothing to do with religion can be seen in the fact that Roguehalo doesn't discriminate - he calls most people scammers.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 14:25:52 Roguehalo does have an irritating tendency to call scam. However, making ungrounded claims about peoples' underlying attitudes towards your religion and trying to broadcast RL personal details is definitely not a legitimate response. That this was nothing to do with religion can be seen in the fact that Roguehalo doesn't discriminate - he calls most people scammers.
Well if anyone's feelings are being hurt they are welcome to avoid posting in the thread.
No. It's not a question of avoiding the response by not posting; that simply seeks to legitimise a type of response that is entirely unacceptable within the context of a game. Leave real life where it belongs - outside our virtual playground.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 14:25:52 Roguehalo does have an irritating tendency to call scam. However, making ungrounded claims about peoples' underlying attitudes towards your religion and trying to broadcast RL personal details is definitely not a legitimate response. That this was nothing to do with religion can be seen in the fact that Roguehalo doesn't discriminate - he calls most people scammers.
With the exception of Cista2 ALL of the people I have called scam on have sunk without trace. Mainly shortly after I pointed out the shortcomings of their various offers.
Sorry if I misrepresented you. I had a quick look on eve-search and my view may have been biased by the fact that most of your posts in investment threads call scam. You do seem to have picked a good few accurately though but many of your other calls didn't launch so can't really be judged. In the five mins I spent looking I did find one on which you were wrong though (it wasn't Cista and they closed down quite fast and disappeared, so you could say they sunk without a trace although they didn't scam; unfortunately for my argument, I think that Davramm was actually trying to set up a scam, though, and just failed to ).
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 16:24:06
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 16:16:50
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 14:25:52 Roguehalo does have an irritating tendency to call scam. However, making ungrounded claims about peoples' underlying attitudes towards your religion and trying to broadcast RL personal details is definitely not a legitimate response. That this was nothing to do with religion can be seen in the fact that Roguehalo doesn't discriminate - he calls most people scammers.
Well if anyone's feelings are being hurt they are welcome to avoid posting in the thread.
No. It's not a question of avoiding the response by not posting; that simply seeks to legitimise a type of response that is entirely unacceptable within the context of a game. Leave real life where it belongs - outside our virtual playground.
No.
Actually, yes. Your actions were not just unacceptable from my perspective. They were also against the forum rules, so if you are not willing to leave real life where it belongs you will get banned sooner or later (as other people have been for doing the same thing).
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
You aren't a mod, they can do their job, they don't need you to tell people the forum rules. I'll worry about myself, you worry about yourself.
As for the rules I can simply post he's a scammer and if you want proof contact me personally. Then I can point people to the information I choose to provide. So there ya go. No rules are broken and i'm still going to make my point.
You're right, the mods don't need to be told the rules. You clearly do, though.
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6.Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing ôin characterö disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.
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8. No posting of personal information
Quote: 11.Immediate banning from the forum can result from any of the following: The posting of ****ography; discriminatory remarks which are sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive; excessive obscene or vulgar language; posts which discuss or illustrate illegal activity; providing links to sites that contain any of the aforementioned.
I would say your last post certainly counts as threatening and undermines the point of a public forum by trying to stifle discussion that you don't like by making threats about actions in real life.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:10:00 -
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In addition to breaching the forum rules your last post also threatens that you will breach (at least) the following rule from the code of conduct included in the EULA.
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19.You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 17:40:55
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Im sorry but as demonstrated in this thread , calling someone a scammer with no proof is absolutely allowed. And under no circumstances is CCP able to enforce what I tell someone through private communications. The key word is private communications there chip. I don't have to use EVE, I can use my private email. The funny thing is I thought he claimed that wasn't him. Now all of a sudden it was. So which is it? And also im not revealing anything about anyone. He already did that when he posted it on the internet. I just pointed a link. It's public information.
Firstly, it doesn't matter if it was him or not. You tried to give out his personal data, whether you got it right or wrong is immaterial. Secondly, of course CCP can't enforce their rules on your private communications but if you want to draw eve players' attention to that data you will either have to get an out of game mailing list for them or use ingame channels to direct them to the out of game information you are saying you will use to threaten anyone who makes certain statements about you ingame, statements that, whilst they may be unpleasant, are perfectly within the rules. Doing this will obviously be against the rules. Finally, the fact that you continue to hold out the threat of taking action against people in real life for calling you a scammer in a game where scamming and scam-calling are part of the expected environment just shows you to be a contemptible specimen of humanity.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 18:25:54
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Its not against the rules to give a player your email. Whatever is discussed in the email is no ones business but the concerned parties. That may suck for your particular outlook but that's how it is.
Except you have already made clear, and continue to make clear, using ingame channels that you are threatening out of game actions in response to legitimate ingame comments.
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Calling someone a contemptible specimen of humanity when you are on their thread throwing out accusations with no proof whatsoever, not even a coherent argument as to why you feel that way is like an acid induced trip through Wonderland. Where everything is backwards in relation to reality.
Since I don't believe you are essentially contemptible, I should have said that you are currently acting like a contemptible piece of humanity.
As to accusations, I have made none. I have simply pointed out that you continue to breach both the game rules and the basic rules of conduct I would expect to apply anywhere by threatening unreasonable retaliation in response to insignificant comments.
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And firstly isn't a word.
Firstly, English is a common usage language that has no official rules. Words become acceptable in accordance with their usage.
Secondly, the word is considered acceptable by (at least) those presses I have published with.
It is worth reflecting on the fact that many things your high-school teachers told you may not be objectively true.
Genuine advice: 1.) don't get upset by scam callers and trolls as they are an inevitable part of the background and can do no damage to you unless you let them (such as by reacting the way that you have); 2.) look deep inside yourself and recover your sense of proportion.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned of off topic and trolling comments. Please only post if you wish to discuss or invest in the mutual fund.
Is discussing the character and attitudes of the person asking for our isk permissible?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.19 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
Originally by: OllieNorth I hate to be this guy, but I have ISK with Caliph and I have been getting solid returns so far. Now, I have come nowhere near the point of breaking even on my investment, nor have I tried to withdraw my ISK, but it seems relatively legit so far.
To Caliph, please ignore the flamebait. Seeing you overreact to these people does in fact make me nervous. Keep doing what you are doing and don't worry about the forum.
You hate to be that guy? Brother if you want your money out you can have absolutely have it. 900 isk per share. Send them in and you don't have to feel "nervous" anymore.
I think the guy he hates being is the one who asks other people to leave the OP alone because he has isk with him, the guy who says the OP is alright. This is not directed at you so much as at the perception of making a certain type of post which in some circumstances might look similar to a post by a shill. Not that it actually does here though.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 20/08/2011 01:04:51 Edited by: RAW23 on 20/08/2011 01:04:23
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed I like how Bobby and Phaser INC the two most honest groups of business people in EVE carried themselves like me. Oh, no they didn't did they? They filled people's ears with sweet nothings and then sodomized everyone.
Phaser Inc got nowhere at all on MD. They were laughed out of town from the start. Their investors came from spamming local in-game.
Your use of Bobby as an example is somewhat ironic though. He was, indeed, very smooth but he was also quite open about the satisfaction he gained not just from being a PvP pirate but from piratical behaviour. Many people were willing to overlook the fact that he stated repeatedly that it was only practical benefits that kept him honest rather than an unwillingness to cause harm to other people (ingame ofc).
What makes your behaviour worrying from an investor perspective is related but slightly different. It is that someone who has so little regard for social conventions and rules put in place to avoid genuine harm coming to people (such as not bringing RL details into the game just because someone ****ed you off ingame), who rages easily in a way that seems to take pleasure in a certain type of aggression who promises retribution against those who annoy him, and who generally deals with people so poorly on a social level, is not the kind of person who one can be confident in relying on not to gratify himself by taking advantage of a position of trust at the expense of others. It is certainly not true that all people who behave in this way will also be willing to act dishonestly but given how little people know of the true motivations of others in an MMO it is the type of thing one should take into account when forming a risk assessment.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
Im still trying to figure out why people whom I have no connection with nor their money are still in my thread speaking down to me with all this emotional bullchit.
It's a public thread involving publicly raised money on a public forum.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: OllieNorth I was supportive the whole way, but apparently criticism is unacceptable. Very frustrating. I would almost rather have been scammed.
Well, he did say in his initial thread that he would take revenge on anyone who criticised him. You're just lucky he kept his retribution within the context of the game ... this time.
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