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Kati Kirjasto
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kati Kirjasto on 07/06/2011 23:34:22
Yes, it appears that the traditional way of procuring Pirate Faction (Dread Gurista, Domination, etc) has been removed from the game in an unknown patch. No new BPC's means no new towers - gone, with all their significant fuel efficiency advantages. Towers that used to cost 1 Billion are now upwards of 3.5 Billion.
It appears that CCP is using this as a window of opportunity to spur interest in microtransactions. Could it be that individuals who want to procure these items in the future will be required to pony up hard cash?
Are EVE subscribers happy with this plan? Why is CCP moving in this direction??? 
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Crystalyne
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:37:00 -
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wow .. what a leap with no actual supporting data.
Haunted by conspiracies much???
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Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:40:00 -
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They say 3 question marks after a sentence is a sign of a deranged mind....
At 13 it's time to call in the men in white suits with the rubber truck....
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 Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function 
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Monkeera
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:42:00 -
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They called Caligula mad too !
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:43:00 -
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How do you obtain the faction tower BPCs now?
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Crystalyne
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:48:00 -
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??? .. are you out there??? what are you saying?? is someone watching me??? ... no I didn't kiss the puppy!!!
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Sarah Steelringer
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:49:00 -
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????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
wat?
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crystalyne
wow .. what a leap with no actual supporting data.
<spock_eyebrow>
Conversely, there's no evidence that he's wrong.
</spock_eyebrow>
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"Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you!
-- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Crystalyne
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:51:00 -
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I declare SUCCESS. OP officially derailed 
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Crystalyne
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:53:00 -
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Spock would call that statement "illogical" as it not possible to prove the non-existence of a thing.
But then perhaps that's a sign of a deranged mind???
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:56:00 -
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I heard they also sell CAPS LOCK buttons for AUR! RIOT!!
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:58:00 -
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OP most likely has a few faction towers he wants to sell after driving the price up via FUD.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Buck Futz
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Posted - 2011.06.08 00:14:00 -
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Actually, I think the OP has a point.
I've snagged my share of Faction Tower BPC's in the past.
I can say with certitude I've NOT seen one since sometime early last year.... Tyrannis, perhaps?
Granted, I'm stoned most of the time...
Up until now, I just figured it was really, really bad luck.
WTF CCP! This ****es me off. 
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MINING5UCK5
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: MINING5UCK5 on 08/06/2011 02:19:34
i think they removed faction towers when they changed it so that you need PI garbage to build regular ones, however i dont believe for a second their pledge that AUR will only be for vanity items, they've been scheming to get microt into eve for a long time, they wont just stop at monocles
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Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:27:00 -
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When they changed the loot tables to give you more ammo and metal scraps than T1 modules, is when this change took place.
I wonder if we can get some CCP input on where all the faction towers went.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: MINING5UCK5
Edited by: MINING5UCK5 on 08/06/2011 02:19:34
i think they removed faction towers when they changed it so that you need PI garbage to build regular ones, however i dont believe for a second their pledge that AUR will only be for vanity items, they've been scheming to get microt into eve for a long time, they wont just stop at monocles
Assuming that you are right, which of course you are not, you do realize that items sold via micro transactions will also find their way onto the open market to be purchased with in game currency as well right?
I purchase a PLEX with real currency.
I convert that into ARUM.
I buy said vanity items.
I place those on the market and if I play my cards right I make a tidy profit in ISK.
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So Cash
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:32:00 -
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In Soviet Eve blueprints copy you.
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forcaldari
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash
In Soviet Eve blueprints copy you.
This.
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MINING5UCK5
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: MINING5UCK5
Edited by: MINING5UCK5 on 08/06/2011 02:19:34
i think they removed faction towers when they changed it so that you need PI garbage to build regular ones, however i dont believe for a second their pledge that AUR will only be for vanity items, they've been scheming to get microt into eve for a long time, they wont just stop at monocles
Assuming that you are right, which of course you are not, you do realize that items sold via micro transactions will also find their way onto the open market to be purchased with in game currency as well right?
I purchase a PLEX with real currency.
I convert that into ARUM.
I buy said vanity items.
I place those on the market and if I play my cards right I make a tidy profit in ISK.
not necessarily, how do you sell a ship customization etc, if everything thats bought with aurum can be bought and sold for isk than whats the point of aurum, just sell the monocles for isk, more likely that which is bought for aurum will not always be able to be resold, microt will kill eve, welcome to xbox style gameplay, where every little extra thing costs $$$
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Ruri Mizushisi
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: MINING5UCK5
not necessarily, how do you sell a ship customization etc, if everything thats bought with aurum can be bought and sold for isk than whats the point of aurum, just sell the items for isk, more likely that which is bought for aurum will not always be able to be resold, microt will kill eve, welcome to xbox style gameplay, where every little extra thing costs $$$. the real purpose of aurum is to break up plexes, thus reducing their number, which will cause their price in isk to rise, which will make them harder for people to afford, thus increasing the number of people who have to pay their monthly sub, or buy a plex for real money. it will reward those who buy isk from ccp, which is something they want to encourage as much as possible, and it will punish those who buy plex for isk, because their cost will permanantly go up
You've answered your own question, re: the point of aurum: a PLEX sink. That way, PLEX prices are kept up so that the isk return on PLEX is good enough to make PLEX a better option than RMT, especially factoring in the risk involved in buying isk. That way, people buy more plex, and RMT less, and RMTers make less profit, and in an ideal world, get driven out of business... but that part probably won't happen.
People have been talking about potential PLEX sinks for a *very* long time, because if PLEX prices are too low, the entire game suffers.
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MINING5UCK5
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:50:00 -
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except that plex prices arent too low, and this will raise them significantly, not just maintain them as you stated
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Clyde ElectraGlide
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:58:00 -
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Sure, sure. Next thing you know they'll make it so you can only buy new ships via microtransactions.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:02:00 -
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I want a guardian vexor.
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Ruri Mizushisi
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: MINING5UCK5
except that plex prices arent too low, and this will raise them significantly, not just maintain them as you stated
Not too low for you, perhaps, but:
a) Plex prices have spiked sharply recently.
b) The endemic RMT issues in EVE to date clearly demonstrate that no, actually, PLEX prices *have* been too low.
The current spike is probably a mix of the approach of northern hemisphere summer and people hoarding in anticipation of the introduction of aurum, but it's not impossible there's been a dip in supply due to the isk return not being worth the cash investment.
Ultimately, I think if you want to play via plex, it's possible it's going to require more effort collecting isk, but the use of plex is still going to stabilise at a level unlikely to have a negative effect on CCP's income stream.
It's guaranteed these decisions will have been discussed with an economist.
I don't believe they're going to introduce microtransactions for gameplay-affecting items, but seriously, those things will *still* be tradable for isk. When CCP introduce items that become bound to a character, *then* things will have changed significantly.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:13:00 -
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OP, how long have you been Dan Brown?
Originally by: anonymous
WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: JC Anderson on 08/06/2011 12:15:36
Originally by: MINING5UCK5
Edited by: MINING5UCK5 on 08/06/2011 02:52:43
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: MINING5UCK5
Edited by: MINING5UCK5 on 08/06/2011 02:19:34
i think they removed faction towers when they changed it so that you need PI garbage to build regular ones, however i dont believe for a second their pledge that AUR will only be for vanity items, they've been scheming to get microt into eve for a long time, they wont just stop at monocles
Assuming that you are right, which of course you are not, you do realize that items sold via micro transactions will also find their way onto the open market to be purchased with in game currency as well right?
I purchase a PLEX with real currency.
I convert that into ARUM.
I buy said vanity items.
I place those on the market and if I play my cards right I make a tidy profit in ISK.
not necessarily, how do you sell a ship customization etc, if everything thats bought with aurum can be bought and sold for isk than whats the point of aurum, just sell the items for isk, more likely that which is bought for aurum will not always be able to be resold, microt will kill eve, welcome to xbox style gameplay, where every little extra thing costs $$$. the real purpose of aurum is to break up plexes, thus reducing their number, which will cause their price in isk to rise, which will make them harder for people to afford, thus increasing the number of people who have to pay their monthly sub, or buy a plex for real money. it will reward those who buy isk from ccp, which is something they want to encourage as much as possible, and it will punish those who buy plex for isk, because their cost will permanantly go up
Actually, the dev blog came right out and said you will be able to resell the vanity items purchased with aurum right back onto the in-game market for ISK.
This image is from that particular dev blog.
Currency Cycle
Though I'm almost starting to wonder if the real purpose for AU was to have a currency that is used in both DUST and EVE.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 08/06/2011 12:46:41
Some of you are asking "whats the point?" if MT items can make it to market anyway. We'll here's the point.
1) RL money buys GTC, converts to 2 plex.
2) 2 plex are converted to aurum.
3) That's 2 plex not available for game time via isk purchase. Plex/isk exchange rates go up. You pay more for plex.
4) Aurum buys faction stuff.
5) Supply of faction stuff shrinks since there are limited individuals that will spend RL money on a game beyond subscription. Faction/isk exchange rates go up. You pay more for faction stuff.
6) RL money buyers enjoy increased isk with which to further influence the game.
If this is a means for CCP to combat RMT, I don't see how this is advantageous. It could be a means to increase the isk per dollar or isk per Euro devaluing RMT deals since beyond a certain point they can no longer compete. But, to reach that point CCP would need to inflate the Eve economy significantly to the detriment of those not purchasing GTC in effect trading the RMT problem for the MT problem meaning game over for a large number of people. I say game over because while RMT is more or less MT, it is much less visible whereas people are going to be able to see all the things they will be paying inflated isk prices to obtain making it much less palatable.
Of course, it's mere speculation since CCP hasn't said either way. I do believe that faction stuff is going to play a part in MT. CCP's silence on this matter is foreboding. They quietly removed faction towers from drops and have since said absolutely nothing. There's only one reason they didn't mention it in patch notes or since even when queries have been made. The reason is they don't want to deal with answering the questions about their future. Why? Possibly because the community would be up in arms if Faction towers and other Faction stuff are only going to make it to the game exclusively through aurum.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:22:00 -
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Bullcrap move, CCP.
I'm sure that someone is patting themselves on the back and feeling pretty clever, but it will lead to a major backlash.
There is no reason for removing faction towers from the game other than microtransaction. If it was simply a matter of loot tables it would have been fixed months ago, rather than just letting the tower market go to hell.
Knock it off.
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ChiShen
Infinity Research
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Posted - 2011.06.09 01:02:00 -
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OP arguement seems reasonable since there is no good reason for the removal of faction tower BPCs.
It would be nice to hear CCPs viewpoint on the matter but then again CCP has never been very good with their player base communities. I'll never understand why companies are so introverted when their business relies on their communities.
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 01:28:00 -
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there is a thread on this somewhere.
anyhow as I understand it (from 3rd party sources of course)
when PI came out the faction tower BPOs were not changed to use the new materials available as other BPs were, this apparently caused their removal from the loot tables rather than attempting to fix them. you may also notice that the associated module drops have also stopped (as reported by several sources)
I have no idea how much of this is true as the devs are more interested in posting about Sony's security issues than answering this pretty simple question.
what happened?
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