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Ruby Khann	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:42:00 - [1] Quote: In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet. "Cosmetic items only" to "advanced weapons for real money" in less than a month. Why should we believe anything CCP publishes when they're so willing to lie?
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:43:00 - [2] Originally by: Ruby Khann Quote: In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet. "Cosmetic items only" to "advanced weapons for real money" in less than a month. Why should we believe anything CCP publishes when they're so willing to lie? Ehm .. that's DUST, not EVE, DUST has no subscription fees!
Takseen	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:44:00 - [3] "Cosmetic items only" referred to Eve stuff only, right?
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Takseen "Cosmetic items only" referred to Eve stuff only, right? You can use those "advanced weapons" to destroy items in EVE.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:47:00 - [5] Where's the lie? They've said all along that Dust would be MT-based, and I can recall ever seeing them say anything else. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Tippia Where's the lie? They've said all along that Dust would be MT-based, and I can recall ever seeing them say anything else. This
Hori To Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Ruby Khann Quote: In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet. "Cosmetic items only" to "advanced weapons for real money" in less than a month. Why should we believe anything CCP publishes when they're so willing to lie? Ehm .. that's DUST, not EVE, DUST has no subscription fees! One universe // One war Don't be Zippy.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Ruby Khann Quote: In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet. "Cosmetic items only" to "advanced weapons for real money" in less than a month. Why should we believe anything CCP publishes when they're so willing to lie? A) they said "cosmetic items only" for EVE, not Dust. B) Dust will be following a F2P model where you either buy stuff ingame with the ingame currency (which will you get thru contracts, since you're a merc afterall), or the PSN wallet, so how the heck will they get money to keep the game running? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Ruby Khann Quote: In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet. "Cosmetic items only" to "advanced weapons for real money" in less than a month. Why should we believe anything CCP publishes when they're so willing to lie? That was part of the appeal/point to a console where they can do whatever they want, ie EVE players aren't directly dealing with it. I'd be more 'concerned' with how their MT/pay to play affects our markets where they might be purchasing things and reselling them for isk as they are supposed to be linked 'one universe'.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Takseen "Cosmetic items only" referred to Eve stuff only, right? You can use those "advanced weapons" to destroy items in EVE. Indirectly yes afaics.. when you're right, you're right. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Tippia Where's the lie? They've said all along that Dust would be MT-based, and I can recall ever seeing them say anything else. Originally by: CCP So this thing is vanity items only? Yes Paying real money to help destroy other players items is a bit more than vanity.
Lidia Prince Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Lidia Prince on 08/06/2011 14:52:57 Well, it makes sence, since they want to evolve Dust further after release, and that requires money simple retail can't provide. But it also kinda kills the buzz, I don't want another Point Black or World of Tanks... sigh. Hope they won't be THAT advanced. Paid subscription after first 2-3 months please?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: CCP So this thing is vanity items only? Yes Source? And more importantly: context? Quote: Paying real money to help destroy other players items is a bit more than vanity. Doesn't answer the question: we've known since day 1 that Dust would be MT-based, so where's the lie? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:55:00 - [14] Edited by: JC Anderson on 08/06/2011 14:56:37 I have a feeling that the only reason AU was introduced was to have a currency that exists both in EVE and DUST. Especially since they've hinted at the fact that EVE players will be the one hiring the DUST ground guys to go on attacks. Originally by: Lidia Prince Edited by: Lidia Prince on 08/06/2011 14:52:57 Well, it makes sence, since they want to evolve Dust further after release, and that requires money simple retail can't provide. But it also kinda kills the buzz, I don't want another Point Black or World of Tanks... sigh. Hope they won't be THAT advanced. Paid subscription after first 2-3 months please? I think the worry some people in the thread are expressing is over the fact that DUST players will in fact be able to attack our PI infrastructure. And that they will be doing so with equipment they purchased via RMT. :/
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: CCP So this thing is vanity items only? Yes Source? And more importantly: context? http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 Quote: Doesn't answer the question: we've known since day 1 that Dust would be MT-based, so where's the lie? Are you illiterate? It's not about the existence of microtransactions, it's about what those microtransactions buy. They've switched positions because you can use microtransactions to buy in-game advantages in EVE.
Takseen	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:59:00 - [16] So you mean Eve players could buy a PS3, get Dust 514, buy the in-game equipment for real money, and then use it to advance their Eve character or corporation somehow? How is that different from just buying another Eve account and doing the same thing?
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: CCP So this thing is vanity items only? Yes Source? And more importantly: context? http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 Quote: Doesn't answer the question: we've known since day 1 that Dust would be MT-based, so where's the lie? Are you illiterate? It's not about the existence of microtransactions, it's about what those microtransactions buy. They've switched positions because you can use microtransactions to buy in-game advantages in EVE. You should really understand the points you are arguing because you are setting up the opposing POV all too well, unless that was your point in the first place. We can look forward to the same arguments being spouted over again and again based on Dust514 which isn't eve even if it is 'one universe/one war' etc. How does a dust514 person buying a weapon that is comparable to those that could be bought for isk w/o paying extra to get it 'created' for $$ get in game advantages in EVE for EVE players?
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:04:00 - [18] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 08/06/2011 15:05:30 Originally by: Takseen So you mean Eve players could buy a PS3, get Dust 514, buy the in-game equipment for real money, and then use it to advance their Eve character or corporation somehow? How is that different from just buying another Eve account and doing the same thing? On the battlefield of Dust another Eve Account doesn't matter.. but advanced weaponry (what does this mean?) does, if it's advantageous over the stuff you can get without AUR. The other thread about it highlighted this point and implied that this 'advanced stuff' for AUR would only look different, but wouldn't be advantageous.. Only CCP knows currently. @OP.. where did the quote in the OP come from, please? Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:04:00 - [19] "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released? Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line." Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514 So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare. This is why a lot of us don't want MT of any form in Eve. Our concerns do not matter as CCP has already planned the future and it is RL cash transactions to buy an advantage........
Remiel x	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 08/06/2011 15:05:30 Originally by: Takseen So you mean Eve players could buy a PS3, get Dust 514, buy the in-game equipment for real money, and then use it to advance their Eve character or corporation somehow? How is that different from just buying another Eve account and doing the same thing? On the battlefield of Dust another Eve Account doesn't matter.. but advanced weaponry (what does this mean?) does, if it's advantageous over the stuff you can get without AUR. The other thread about it highlighted this point and implied that this 'advanced stuff' for AUR would only look different, but wouldn't be advantageous.. Only CCP knows currently. @OP.. where did the quote in the OP come from, please? Did you miss the part where you can also purchase those in-game items with in-game currency?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Tippia Source? And more importantly: context? http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 So in other words, it has nothing to do with Dust. Quote: Are you illiterate? It's not about the existence of microtransactions, it's about what those microtransactions buy. They buy stuff in Dust. This is not news. It is in fact ancient history. Quote: They've switched positions because you can use microtransactions to buy in-game advantages in EVE. No. They've maintained the position that you can use MT to buy vanity stuff in EVE and weapons and stuff in Dust. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Remiel x Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Takseen So you mean Eve players could buy a PS3, get Dust 514, buy the in-game equipment for real money, and then use it to advance their Eve character or corporation somehow? How is that different from just buying another Eve account and doing the same thing? On the battlefield of Dust another Eve Account doesn't matter.. but advanced weaponry (what does this mean?) does, if it's advantageous over the stuff you can get without AUR. The other thread about it highlighted this point and implied that this 'advanced stuff' for AUR would only look different, but wouldn't be advantageous.. Only CCP knows currently. @OP.. where did the quote in the OP come from, please? Did you miss the part where you can also purchase those in-game items with in-game currency? No, I didn't.. What I did read in the interview on RPS was that some items will be available for ISK and some exclusively for AUR. This means, those will spawn in our Eve-World (where Dust is part of) by real money purchase only. It also sounded as those items for AUR wouldn't be advantageous, but the OP does sound different. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 08/06/2011 15:05:30 Originally by: Takseen So you mean Eve players could buy a PS3, get Dust 514, buy the in-game equipment for real money, and then use it to advance their Eve character or corporation somehow? How is that different from just buying another Eve account and doing the same thing? On the battlefield of Dust another Eve Account doesn't matter.. but advanced weaponry (what does this mean?) does, if it's advantageous over the stuff you can get without AUR. The other thread about it highlighted this point and implied that this 'advanced stuff' for AUR would only look different, but wouldn't be advantageous.. Only CCP knows currently. @OP.. where did the quote in the OP come from, please? http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1982/press-release7th paragrapth What is not clear to me is if CCP means that the sale of items for isk is after they are bought for real money as is the case in 'vanity items' in invarna with aurum, the 'paywall' where these things don't exist UNTIL they are paid for with real money.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 08/06/2011 15:05:30 Originally by: Takseen So you mean Eve players could buy a PS3, get Dust 514, buy the in-game equipment for real money, and then use it to advance their Eve character or corporation somehow? How is that different from just buying another Eve account and doing the same thing? On the battlefield of Dust another Eve Account doesn't matter.. but advanced weaponry (what does this mean?) does, if it's advantageous over the stuff you can get without AUR. The other thread about it highlighted this point and implied that this 'advanced stuff' for AUR would only look different, but wouldn't be advantageous.. Only CCP knows currently. @OP.. where did the quote in the OP come from, please? afaik, it seems that you can buy said weaponry even without investing a single RL cent. "buying" your way into the game has the only advantage of decreasing time to get it. this probably means they will be using the same method as Global Agenda, which is free to play and everything is available for you to buy with ingame currency, but you can also use RL currency to buy said items, thus needing less time to grind. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:13:00 - [25] I will never play a game where you have to spend money to win... not that i was going to play dust anyway. I am not an FPSer and I dont have (nor will I buy) a console. There was another game I played that went to that model and I just quit playing it. I think CCP is going to find out that the FPS market is a bit like Jita. :) There are so many FPS games out there and there are some good ones that are completely free...
Scarlet des Loupes Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:13:00 - [26] Ehm .. good troll? ♪ ♫ ♪
Takseen	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:15:00 - [27] PLEX. PLEX!! PLEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, had to get that out of my system. PLEX can be bought for real money. PLEX can be exchanged for ISK. PLEX can be exchanged for AU. Therefore, ISK can be exchanged for AU. I really don't see why everyone is getting excited about being able to turn RL cash into in-game shinies when you've been able to do this for BLOODY YEARS ALREADY.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 08/06/2011 15:17:15 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Ruby Khann Quote: In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet. "Cosmetic items only" to "advanced weapons for real money" in less than a month. Why should we believe anything CCP publishes when they're so willing to lie? Ehm .. that's DUST, not EVE, DUST has no subscription fees! Originally by: Thomas Farrer But to say that the two games are linked is a misnomer. TheyÆre one.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia snip Quote: They've switched positions because you can use microtransactions to buy in-game advantages in EVE. No. They've maintained the position that you can use MT to buy vanity stuff in EVE and weapons and stuff in Dust. Eve > pay cash > PLEX > AUR > transfer to Dust > buy weapons via MT > fight with those weapons in Dust > influence Sov in Eve That is the chain of events the OP does try to draw on the wall. Simplified: Eve > MT > influence Sov Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.08 15:17:00 - [30] Dust 514 was stated from nearly the beginning that it would be MT fueled, F2P. Before any of the MT nonsense descended onto to EVE. If I remember correctly, ISK could flow from EVE to Dust, so you could use fake internet spaceship money to fund your mercs rather than buying them. Yes, non-vanity items will come to the MT store for EVE at some point. Just brace yourself. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.

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