There should be consequences for attacking someone in low-sec. At least there should be a way to distingush the dedicated pirate from the industry or exploration guy or what have you. If you really want PVP with no strings attached there is already a place like this and its 0.0

There should be consequences for attacking someone in low-sec. At least there should be a way to distingush the dedicated pirate from the industry or exploration guy or what have you. If you really want PVP with no strings attached there is already a place like this and its 0.0

We need to force carebears away from noobs. These decadent, spoiled, diaper wearing sissies shouldn't ruin
the game for people who don't even know how it works ...

Judging by the comments I've seen about how so many of the nullsec alliances are blue to each other I think maybe it's the reverse.

That still doesn't answer my question. If you only live in lowsec then getting -10 has no consequences. So as I said there is no overall effect in lowsec then you shouldn't lose sec status in lowsec. Highsec should be the only place where you can lose sec status, since it is the only place that actually has consequences.

I don't even think it's the community that ruins the experience for new players, it's the game mechanics.

New player starts they have limited isk and trained skills, so they set out to train up skills as quickly as they can which means investing their limited resources (isk) in learning implants. As soon as they've got those implants they're trapped in high-sec as they can't afford to lose them and they don't have access to jump clones because it takes time to get 8.0 standing with a corp.

I know that some corps offer services for jump clones but they would have to leave the starter corp which they can't get back to which is not good for a new player.

Make an alt, sit in startercorp for a while, observe yourself.
The most influence is to be had in the early days, in startercorps.
Dare and try talking about lowsec. ^_^

Drop starter corp, make your own, join noobcorp.
Dare talking about lowsec.

You do the mistake most people do. Blame a game about how people make choices, instead of blaming the people
for their choices and trying to correct them.


edit: That was written in a haste. You *may* be partly right about the implants, although i thought they get them with
tutorial missions ? I still haven't run the new ones ...

Most new people aim for +3 implants because although expensive for a new player they're achieveable given sometime to gain the isk and of course only need lvl 1 in cybernetics. It's this coupled with no access to jump clones early on that tends to prevent new players from exploring more dangerous areas.

You are right about people in high-sec corps warning people about low-sec but this I don't think would be enough to put of a new player from exploring if they had jump clones available at a much earlier stage of the game.

Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out

well. reason for opinion "Low sec is broken" isn't that low-sec is "too dangerrous"....

Problem is: there is not so much cookies in there. As 0.0-person i only use low-sec for hauling stuff from empire to 0.0 and back. (added farming FW LPs few days ago :D).

infomorph skill gives multiple clones, perhaps if they were easier to create without farming forever in high sec for the standing top install them.

also what is the actual difference with activities in low sec vs high sec?

slightly better asteroids, slightly better missions, slightly better exploration, all slightly better but with no concord protection and barely any help from sentry's on gates and stations. Also if you shoot first on a neutral you loose status which will land you locked out of high sec, and its very slow to gain this back heck if you are +5.0 and shoot a few neutrals you loose WEEKS worth of high sec ratting, no wonder the bears stay where they do and fight (not literally sadly) over the scraps, in the safe zone.

And again, this isn't true at all.
CCP has tried times and times again, REWARD DOES NOT GIVE PEOPLE MORE INCENTIVE TO GO TO LOWSEC,
because there is no guarantee for them to actually gain it without losing anything !

Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out

Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out

I never understood why anybody would want to live on an island full of friends in 0.0 with occasional* bigfights,
instead of living in highsec where there are THOUSANDS of people to terro... have fun with, every single day.

I, for one, prefer to be a target than to sit on an island full of friends.


* of course it varies, but in the end when you're surrounded by blues, what's there to do ? You can argue about this,
but alliances collapse also because of boredom, because there's nothing more to do. Hi Goons, come to highsec ! :D

Edit: Please post constructively! - ISD Suvetar

And spot another idiot who knows **** all about people who live in lowsec.

First off you need to learn to draw a distinction between new players who are in lowsec either because they dont care about the scare stories or genuinely dont know any better and players whove been in the game long enough to know the ropes and have knowledge of what theyre getting themselves into. The last new guy I killed (little 3 week old coercer pilot happily ratting away in our home system with not a care in the world) I not only gave him enough isk to get him back on his feet but also gave him a load of advice about surviving in lowsec and what to expect when you spend a lot of time there. Genuine new players should be educated and encouraged and a swift death followed by friendly advice is often the best way to do that.

This. When I was new I decided to go to lowsec in a rifter, see if I could shot someone down. Ran into a pirate who I didn't stand a chance against. Then he gave me advice about skills, lowsec, and some ISK for my loss. A few days later I was able to solo tackle a Manticore and get the kill. I still feel like it was luck, but the advice I got from the pirate made that journey possible.

I've only played off and on over the years, but the biggest thing people seem to get hung up on is they assume whoever killed them is actually a jerk, when they are just flustered about losing their ship and were likely the one to overreact.

Some of this "myth" might come from carebear-ats sitting in starter-corps/-systems and ruining the noobs ...