Maybe someone can explain what exactly the problem with low-sec is? I for one am enjoying it

Haha i went to rancer as well to check it out, because it sounded like the shithole of eve. Wasnt very busy tho, but there were evidence of recent ganks and what not

Easy.
Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space.

Easy.
Most people are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space.

I take it you spend most of your time in hi-sec then good sir?

Fixed. Same goes for stationhugging low seccers, bears possing up in holes and null. Amusingly enough, each and every single area in the game appears to be full of them.

That was predictable, stupid and doesn't work the way you want it to work.

I'm the -10 who flys around in Hek all day long, being a target for everybody, which is great.

If *you* had that experience, you'd notice how cowardly people are by shooting me
and then, when i can come after them, they either dock or leave the system until the timer is up.

You're welcome to come to Hek and check it out all for yourself.

Why do you think people are crying over the simple idea of the new CrimeWatch ? They'd have to accept
the consequence of being FFA and that's *NOTHING* these cowards would want to happen !

I can't argue with that, but i thought the context was highsec people being too afraid to go to lowsec.

That was predictable, stupid and doesn't work the way you want it to work.

I'm the -10 who flys around in Hek all day long, being a target for everybody, which is great.

If *you* had that experience, you'd notice how cowardly people are by shooting me
and then, when i can come after them, they either dock or leave the system until the timer is up.

You're welcome to come to Hek and check it out all for yourself.

Why do you think people are crying over the simple idea of the new CrimeWatch ? They'd have to accept
the consequence of being FFA and that's *NOTHING* these cowards would want to happen !

Completely agree with that as well. Used to be one of them, scared to lose anything even slightly expensive and now having much more fun than I thought possible with the game.

That was predictable, stupid and doesn't work the way you want it to work.

I'm the -10 who flys around in Hek all day long, being a target for everybody, which is great.

If *you* had that experience, you'd notice how cowardly people are by shooting me
and then, when i can come after them, they either dock or leave the system until the timer is up.

You're welcome to come to Hek and check it out all for yourself.

Why do you think people are crying over the simple idea of the new CrimeWatch ? They'd have to accept
the consequence of being FFA and that's *NOTHING* these cowards would want to happen !

I find it amusing how basically every 0.0 alliance is recruiting. It didnt always use to be like this. If someone wants 0.0 they can basically pick any alliance they want and gogo

If you ain't in null, you ain't much.

I never understood why anybody would want to live on an island full of friends in 0.0 with occasional* bigfights,
instead of living in highsec where there are THOUSANDS of people to terro... have fun with, every single day.

I, for one, prefer to be a target than to sit on an island full of friends.


* of course it varies, but in the end when you're surrounded by blues, what's there to do ? You can argue about this,
but alliances collapse also because of boredom, because there's nothing more to do. Hi Goons, come to highsec ! :D

Well first of all, this hot debate about low population in lowsec didint start hisec dwellers. Low/null dwellers did. Hiseccers just pointed that this low population is mainly because of gatecaps. You cannot have high population in lowS when lowsec dwellers dont let them pass in. They are not affraid to lose ship in belts, doing l4-5 or other activities in lowsec. They are just disgusted being ganked soon as they enter into the lowsec by blob "elite PvP" camp.

According the Rancer. Your one time visit conclusion that it is not as messy as rumors said is statisticaly unreliable. Im traveling through Rancer on daily basis (jita-hek trading in cloaky industrial) and its camped 80% of all time i pass through.

"Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space."

Cowards? Loudmouths? Please check aggain what kind of dwellers blob camping gates and station exits. Also check General disscussion from the last month. I cannot remember when did i lass saw soooo much tears from "l33t-ers".

So ? Does that change anything ?I was talking about *highseccers* and never said it's highseccers *ONLY*
who are cowards and bigmouths. It just seems that the majority of these live in highsec, which seems to be a perfectly
valid claim because there are more people in highsec than in lowsec and highsec also contains those players who
rather not fight and/or can hide behind CONCORD to protect them !

Easy.
Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space.

Hello,

Im a casual player, a loner. I like to do things my way, at my own speed :) Ive played eve for some time now and ive tried a bit of it all. I currently live in low-sec.

Apparantly there are some myths regarding it. First of all its not more dangerous than 0.0, specifcally because there are no warp bubbles. However there are still certain chokepoints that you have to be aware of, and check, to avoid being smartbombed. To earn money in low-sec you can arrange a POS empire, because no-one bothers to shoot POS'es- possibly a failed mechanic tho - you can do exploration, even faction warfare. Its not hard to earn money, and it opens up to so many other areas of gameplay. Add to that the most awesome players seem to be in low-sec, at least there is a more relaxed atmosphere. Maybe someone can explain what exactly the problem with low-sec is? I for one am enjoying it

Well first of all, this hot debate about low population in lowsec didint start hisec dwellers. Low/null dwellers did. Hiseccers just pointed that this low population is mainly because of gatecaps. You cannot have high population in lowS when lowsec dwellers dont let them pass in. They are not affraid to lose ship in belts, doing l4-5 or other activities in lowsec. They are just disgusted being ganked soon as they enter into the lowsec by blob "elite PvP" camp.

That was predictable, stupid and doesn't work the way you want it to work.

I'm the -10 who flys around in Hek all day long, being a target for everybody, which is great.

Hiseccers just pointed that this low population is mainly because of gatecaps. You cannot have high population in lowS when lowsec dwellers dont let them pass in.
They are not affraid to lose ship in belts, doing l4-5 or other activities in lowsec. They are just disgusted being ganked soon as they enter into the lowsec by blob "elite PvP" camp.

I find it amusing how basically every 0.0 alliance is recruiting. It didnt always use to be like this. If someone wants 0.0 they can basically pick any alliance they want and gogo

Easy.
Most people in highsec are cowards. Loudmouths. Worthless scum that wastes space.

I've visited Rancer yesterday.
Wasn't even half as bad as people often claim it is. :D

If you aint willing to have requirements placed on your game time and activity you aint much...Fixed

This, in a way. I wanted to post something similar, but I didn't know how to word it right. Altruism is rare in EvE, and doesn't seem to exist among the denizens of lowsec. Letting that neutral slip through a camp? Not a chance. Letting a newbie ratter off the hook with a warning shot, halfway through armour? Not a chance. Run-off-the-mill lowsec players don't want new players to PLAY with, they want soft targets to kill with their 8 man gatecamps. People shouldn't complain there aren't any eggs when they kill all the chickens...

low sec is null on easy mode....

low sec is null on easy mode....

And spot another idiot who knows **** all about people who live in lowsec. ...

The last new guy I killed (little 3 week old coercer pilot happily ratting away in our home system with not a care in the world) I not only gave him enough isk to get him back on his feet but also gave him a load of advice about surviving in lowsec and what to expect when you spend a lot of time there. Genuine new players should be educated and encouraged and a swift death followed by friendly advice is often the best way to do that.

Some of this "myth" might come from carebear-ats sitting in starter-corps/-systems and ruining the noobs ...

Aww this reminded me when I started. When I was 2 weeks old I decided that high-sec misisoning was way too boring and I had to move in low-sec ("maybe is different there or at least they say agents pay more"); so I moved to Evati and started to do level 1 and 2 missions in the area.

In my very first days there I had a pirate entering in my mission; I was fast enough to warp in a safe spot (I studied before moving and I heard that was good to have safe spots). I thought was "safe" there, but of course the pirate jumped in there and destoryed my ship.

Then he convoed me ( I think he noticed the young age, was about 2-3 weeks) and asked me if I could afford to replace my loss and offered in case to refund me. I said was ok, the ship had insurance anyway and asked him what was wrong in my safe spot and how was he able to find me. He told me "your safe spot was fine, but I'm using probes". I was kinda like "wow, there're probes too...?". So he explained me the basics of probing and gave me some tutorials about it.

The outcome of this was:

1. I was never catched again in a mission site
2. I started to try and enjoy all the probes thing and started to develop exploration as profession and gameplay, that's what I still do today.

yes, I also lost a T1 ship. But I think was a fair trade.

Also about the whole gate camp, it varies on where you are. Most major highsec-lowsec connections will be camped, once you get past the first few systems it's usually a ghost town.

Its lowsec anyone you don't know should be considered a target, regardless of FW standings.

Which reminds me sec loss is another bad idea for lowsec. If concord is too lazy to patrol lowsec then wtf are they doing removing security status. Keep sec loss for highsec criminal actions only.

Just go to 0.0 if you dont like sec status loss

Quite a stupid reasoning. Sec loss doesn't actually add anything nor does it actually prevent anything in regards to lowsec, it actually prevents some from PVPing in Lowsec. So if it actually has no effect in low sec then why is it gained in there?

Saying just go to 0.0 is a lazy rebuttal. Try harder.

There should be consequences for attacking someone in low-sec. At least there should be a way to distingush the dedicated pirate from the industry or exploration guy or what have you. If you really want PVP with no strings attached there is already a place like this and its 0.0

There should be consequences for attacking someone in low-sec. At least there should be a way to distingush the dedicated pirate from the industry or exploration guy or what have you. If you really want PVP with no strings attached there is already a place like this and its 0.0

We need to force carebears away from noobs. These decadent, spoiled, diaper wearing sissies shouldn't ruin
the game for people who don't even know how it works ...

Judging by the comments I've seen about how so many of the nullsec alliances are blue to each other I think maybe it's the reverse.

That still doesn't answer my question. If you only live in lowsec then getting -10 has no consequences. So as I said there is no overall effect in lowsec then you shouldn't lose sec status in lowsec. Highsec should be the only place where you can lose sec status, since it is the only place that actually has consequences.

I don't even think it's the community that ruins the experience for new players, it's the game mechanics.

New player starts they have limited isk and trained skills, so they set out to train up skills as quickly as they can which means investing their limited resources (isk) in learning implants. As soon as they've got those implants they're trapped in high-sec as they can't afford to lose them and they don't have access to jump clones because it takes time to get 8.0 standing with a corp.

I know that some corps offer services for jump clones but they would have to leave the starter corp which they can't get back to which is not good for a new player.

Make an alt, sit in startercorp for a while, observe yourself.
The most influence is to be had in the early days, in startercorps.
Dare and try talking about lowsec. ^_^

Drop starter corp, make your own, join noobcorp.
Dare talking about lowsec.

You do the mistake most people do. Blame a game about how people make choices, instead of blaming the people
for their choices and trying to correct them.


edit: That was written in a haste. You *may* be partly right about the implants, although i thought they get them with
tutorial missions ? I still haven't run the new ones ...

Most new people aim for +3 implants because although expensive for a new player they're achieveable given sometime to gain the isk and of course only need lvl 1 in cybernetics. It's this coupled with no access to jump clones early on that tends to prevent new players from exploring more dangerous areas.

You are right about people in high-sec corps warning people about low-sec but this I don't think would be enough to put of a new player from exploring if they had jump clones available at a much earlier stage of the game.

Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out

well. reason for opinion "Low sec is broken" isn't that low-sec is "too dangerrous"....

Problem is: there is not so much cookies in there. As 0.0-person i only use low-sec for hauling stuff from empire to 0.0 and back. (added farming FW LPs few days ago :D).

infomorph skill gives multiple clones, perhaps if they were easier to create without farming forever in high sec for the standing top install them.

also what is the actual difference with activities in low sec vs high sec?

slightly better asteroids, slightly better missions, slightly better exploration, all slightly better but with no concord protection and barely any help from sentry's on gates and stations. Also if you shoot first on a neutral you loose status which will land you locked out of high sec, and its very slow to gain this back heck if you are +5.0 and shoot a few neutrals you loose WEEKS worth of high sec ratting, no wonder the bears stay where they do and fight (not literally sadly) over the scraps, in the safe zone.

And again, this isn't true at all.
CCP has tried times and times again, REWARD DOES NOT GIVE PEOPLE MORE INCENTIVE TO GO TO LOWSEC,
because there is no guarantee for them to actually gain it without losing anything !

Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out

Actually it was a response to people saying low-sec is broken. Its not, and it doesent need a unique mineral only found there. Then the big organisations will take over, and go out of their way to force everyone else out

I never understood why anybody would want to live on an island full of friends in 0.0 with occasional* bigfights,
instead of living in highsec where there are THOUSANDS of people to terro... have fun with, every single day.

I, for one, prefer to be a target than to sit on an island full of friends.


* of course it varies, but in the end when you're surrounded by blues, what's there to do ? You can argue about this,
but alliances collapse also because of boredom, because there's nothing more to do. Hi Goons, come to highsec ! :D

Edit: Please post constructively! - ISD Suvetar

And spot another idiot who knows **** all about people who live in lowsec.

First off you need to learn to draw a distinction between new players who are in lowsec either because they dont care about the scare stories or genuinely dont know any better and players whove been in the game long enough to know the ropes and have knowledge of what theyre getting themselves into. The last new guy I killed (little 3 week old coercer pilot happily ratting away in our home system with not a care in the world) I not only gave him enough isk to get him back on his feet but also gave him a load of advice about surviving in lowsec and what to expect when you spend a lot of time there. Genuine new players should be educated and encouraged and a swift death followed by friendly advice is often the best way to do that.

This. When I was new I decided to go to lowsec in a rifter, see if I could shot someone down. Ran into a pirate who I didn't stand a chance against. Then he gave me advice about skills, lowsec, and some ISK for my loss. A few days later I was able to solo tackle a Manticore and get the kill. I still feel like it was luck, but the advice I got from the pirate made that journey possible.

I've only played off and on over the years, but the biggest thing people seem to get hung up on is they assume whoever killed them is actually a jerk, when they are just flustered about losing their ship and were likely the one to overreact.

Some of this "myth" might come from carebear-ats sitting in starter-corps/-systems and ruining the noobs ...

Its lowsec anyone you don't know should be considered a target, regardless of FW standings.

Which reminds me sec loss is another bad idea for lowsec. If concord is too lazy to patrol lowsec then wtf are they doing removing security status. Keep sec loss for highsec criminal actions only.

This above all else is the major reason why people don't go to low-sec, just remove the sec loss and lets see what happens, it could be that this simple little fix is all that is needed to buff low-sec.

Most new people aim for +3 implants because although expensive for a new player they're achieveable given sometime to gain the isk and of course only need lvl 1 in cybernetics. It's this coupled with no access to jump clones early on that tends to prevent new players from exploring more dangerous areas.

You are right about people in high-sec corps warning people about low-sec but this I don't think would be enough to put of a new player from exploring if they had jump clones available at a much earlier stage of the game.

I agree, losing a 5mil isk fitted frigate is not an issue, it's losing 50mil in implants that would hurt. In hindsight I almost wish I hadn't bought the implants, without them I would certainly be taking more risks with a high probability of failure, I would also be considering an early move to nullsec and offensive pvp, but as it stands I've become very accustomed to the faster training of high level skills and I don't want to risk that more than I have to.

Have you ever considered jump clones?

Are there rewards in losec worth risking a 10mil ship over? Plenty! Worth risking a 50mil ship over? Quite likely. Worth risking 500mil worth of implants over? HA HA HA HA NO.

At this point I'm not doing anything that would warrant the 24 hour training drop a jump clone would cause.

Well then don't ***** about it

I never understood why anybody would want to live on an island full of friends in 0.0 with occasional* bigfights,
instead of living in highsec where there are THOUSANDS of people to terro... have fun with, every single day.

I, for one, prefer to be a target than to sit on an island full of friends.


* of course it varies, but in the end when you're surrounded by blues, what's there to do ? You can argue about this,
but alliances collapse also because of boredom, because there's nothing more to do. Hi Goons, come to highsec ! :D

No i have flown POS parts through amamake the past few days. If you have someone to scout you should be alright

[quote=Sabrina Solette]

Are there rewards in losec worth risking a 10mil ship over? Plenty! Worth risking a 50mil ship over? Quite likely. Worth risking 500mil worth of implants over? HA HA HA HA NO.
]."

I went into ammamake drunk solo roaming.


I wanted to die in a fire, it didn't happen even as I taunted locals along the way.


I felt disapointed. Never going to ammamake again.

Maybe we should start a "nullsec myths" thread.
This would fit right in.

The only place you should lose a pod is in null. With lowsec and highsec you should be spamming the warp button right before your ship explodes. The only exception to this is if you run into a smartbombing pilot.

Have you ever considered jump clones?

If you want excitement, UNDOCK in Ammamake...........

Oh I undocked all right, I hunted down people on D-scan but everyone was posed up...

I stood by gates, I looked around the stations.



Nothing... Nobody... 4:30 AM disapointment...

This sort of thing is exactly what I'm talking about. If you're willing to look at what you can learn from a loss and from the guy who killed you rather than rage about it then you'll have no issues in lowsec.

because no null corps set 100% tax rates during times they want/force you to do something else? right?

because no null corps set 100% tax rates during times they want/force you to do something else? right?

We don't. Some of our allies may. I have no clue. I've ratted through strategic ops in the past because I was broke.

I think IRC does that. Ever since the drones have bounties, anyway.

Well, I recently wrote a blog on my Alliance's crappy blog (check my sig) on what I'd like to see done to lowsec (specifically non-FW lowsec), considering I live there and have been living there for a long time.

I just started that, only to disagree right away, I skimmed the rest, and it just seem over complicated.

I started messing in low to get better returns on PI and exploration, and now I love lowsec. If they increase profits for any more activities more carebears will try lowsec too, and anyone that likes it will stay for the cake, and the extra profits from whatever will just be the icing on it.

I want to add, I love the comments in reply to my post about 100% taxes in null, its not like its a huge deal, but it happens, and the original point stands, that it is no myth that most alliance force you to play there way or get out. Its just not for everyone, just as highsec carebearing isn't. I don't believe Goonswarm fits the bill as most alliances. =P All hail the multidimensional super zerg of death and destruction!

do realize that there is a bell curve of psych profiles about this.
Guy A gets ganked, concentrates on the rush of combat, and figuring out what he could have done better.
Guy B gets ganked, concentrates on the rush of negative feelings, and goes "screw that - that wasn't fun".

Maybe we should start a "nullsec myths" thread.
This would fit right in.