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Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:29:00 - [1] If any nation hit another with an anti-matter warhead, chances are they would get hit by regular nukes. So basically the same situation we've been in since the 50s. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:27:00 - [2] Actually I just realized. Antimatter bombs are a tremendously GOOD thing. I currently doubt we'll be able to produce a kilo/megaton range anti-matter charge alone. What we can do however, is use an anti-matter explosion to initiate deuterium fusion. Basically, you'll have a regular nuclear explosion with none of the fall out. Why is this a good thing? PROJECT MOTHERF*CKING ORION! With an anti-matter catalyzed nuke, you remove the biggest drawback from using nukes to send stuff into space. We could launch an ISS Sized payload fully assembled with room left over to refuel a few shuttles. We could get a manned mission to mars, maybe even to titan or io. We could launch an orbital solar power station and solve the energy crisis. This is pretty awesome. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:50:00 - [3] Edited by: Culmen on 09/06/2011 03:51:34 Originally by: Nariya Kentaya Originally by: Culmen Actually I just realized. Antimatter bombs are a tremendously GOOD thing. I currently doubt we'll be able to produce a kilo/megaton range anti-matter charge alone. What we can do however, is use an anti-matter explosion to initiate deuterium fusion. Basically, you'll have a regular nuclear explosion with none of the fall out. Why is this a good thing? PROJECT MOTHERFCKING ORION! With an anti-matter catalyzed nuke, you remove the biggest drawback from using nukes to send stuff into space. We could launch an ISS Sized payload fully assembled with room left over to refuel a few shuttles. We could get a manned mission to mars, maybe even to titan or io. We could launch an orbital solar power station and solve the energy crisis. This is pretty awesome. you do know your talking about something that once it becomes even close to economical to amke, the governments of the world are going to SEIZE it, and immediately start rolling out new weapons to threaten eachother with, right? we MAY get to see it used for "Good" purposes, but not for another century or more, America, Russia, China, The half of Europe epople care about, all these countries care about their military first (as half-assed as they make it), and the "Greater Good" second. (unless the greater good involves lining their pockets while kicking sand into the face of poor war-orphans in other countries, then they're all for it.) Well I'll put it to you this way... What can an anti-matter bomb do, that a nuke doesn't already do? Governments won't even use kilo-ton scale tactical nukes for fear of total nuclear war. About the only difference between an Anti-matter explosion and a Nuclear explosion is lack of radioactive fallout. The political fallout is still the same. The anti-matter warhead on the other hand are a different story. Anti-matter warheads require energy to stop from exploding, the anti-matter needs to be magnetically confined in a perfect vacuum or the entire thing goes boom. A nuke on the other hand, will be perfectly fine just sitting there. You need to do some serious *** to get it to go critical. A nuke can survive crashing in a b-52 without even releasing radioactive material. A similar accident with an anti-matter warhead would probably result in a full out explosion. So... same effect as a nuke, much higher maintaince cost, much greater risk. Probably not going to be adopted over the nuke as a weapon. On the other hand with the orion project, the benifits of a clean explosion far outweigh the risks and cost. Thus only the civilian side is likely to have a use for it. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 17:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Culmen on 09/06/2011 17:28:33 Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Culmen What can an anti-matter bomb do, that a nuke doesn't already do? Completely obliterate any matter the antimatter comes in contact with as opposed to a really big explosion with radioactive fallout? You do realize that both an anti-matter bomb and a nuke are basically doing the same thing? Transforming matter into energy. A nuke has fallout because only a tiny fraction of the fissile material is actually being converted into energy. the rest of the radioactive stuff just gets scattered Anti-matter transforms into energy almost completely, but loses efficiency because it has to be contained in a complicated storage mechanism. Originally by: Alpine 69 Forgive me my ignorance, but what would such an antimatter-explosion look like? Big antimatter bomb hits ground -> All hydrogen in the immediate area just "dissapears"? Or-? If that's the case, what would be the result of an oxygen antimatter bomb detonated airborne just above the target area? As stated above, and anti-matter bomb would look like a regular nuclear explosion. Anti-matter hits matter, both are converted into energy. BOOM! The whole mushroom cloud thing is actually a function of heat/energy and distance from ground. An air bursting anti-matter bomb would mushroom cloud. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 20:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Culmen WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! Actually I just realized. THIS FIXES EVERYTHING! I have never seen anyone flip flop on an issue that fast and in such a big way. Reading comprehension not trained to level 1? My post was "So basically the same situation we've been in since the 50s." So its more Meh. Status quo. Actually I just realized. SQUEEEEEEEEEEE! and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 00:56:00 - [6] Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 01:06:26 Originally by: Alara IonStorm Which was as you stated, Nuclear War will kill us all if it was launched, we are all gonna die being the result. If you are meh about everyone dieing that is sad, I added so emotion to make you less robotic, you are welcome Robot Culmen. Lets see.... number of nuclear apocalypses since 1950? ZERO We've been through all that, so nothing to worry about. Adding another super weapon will do nothing... which was my point. A point that seems to have sailed right past you. You should know that despite the fall of the Soviet Union, their nuclear stockpiles did not simply vanish into thin air, you still got nukes pointed at you right now! So either go into denial or get used to it. Originally by: Alara IonStorm I have it trained to V, perhaps you should bring it passed 1. Or so you claim Really this is what would happen if the US got Anti-Matter warheads before everyone else. US :Ph33r ME! I HAVE ANTI MATTER WARHEADS!!!1! Chiina/India/Russia: And they're better than regular nukes how? US: UM UM... beacuse their anti-matter and stuff! China/India/Russia: But you still haven't used any of the megaton range nukes you got last century.... US:Well... I.... UH.... ANTI MATTER!!!! China/India/Russia: right... A super weapon is only super if it give you capabilities you previously could never have conceived of. Adding anti-matter to the mix will do **** all to global politics. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 01:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 01:48:59 Originally by: Alara IonStorm That is assuming they do not launch. Therefor Doomsday in which case everyone still dies. You went from Doomsday stand off where nothing changes also we could all die to fixes everything, Flip Flop Detected! Doomsday standoff is the status quo and that's been my stance the entire time. So it went from ... Doomsday stand off as usual to Doomsday stand off but with added benefits. Originally by: Alara IonStorm I would be more worried about a Pakistan/India Exchange, the dust that would kick up would be disaterous. Actually... now that you mentioned it, add that to the list of anti-matter warheads being a good thing. If for some reason india/pakistan went at it with anti-matter warheads instead of nukes. it would be like a regular nuclear war, except the rest of the planet doesn't have to suck down fallout. Originally by: Alara IonStorm Unless they decide to use them tactically instead of as a doomsday device much like the MOAB, which might cause a Nuclear War or just kill a whole bunch of People. At which point they might do a lot for Global Politics. No one says they will treat it like a MAD type nuclear device at all. A) The situation you described could just as easily be set off by the MOAB you already mentioned. You know, one of the less expensive airdropped weapons in the US arsenal. If the situation were that charged a normal GBU would set it off anyway. So whats the difference if the spark was alot more expensive? B) We already have nuclear weapons that can be used tactically. They are called Tactical Nuclear Weapons. Number that have been used, again ZERO. C) This scenario has been the basic premise for nuclear war since 1950. The premise was Russia invades West Germany with conventional forces and over runs, West uses tactical nukes, Russia uses strategic nukes, everyone shuts the vaults and breaks out the radscorpion repellent. Again, number of times this has happened. ZERO. So again, anti-matter = no change. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 02:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 02:15:52 Originally by: Alara IonStorm I have no doubt we will never see a Tactical Nuke Dropped ever because of fear of a Nuclear Escalation. The same can not be said bout Anti-Matter. So, an anti-matter warhead will be dropped because it will not cause escalation. Leaders will see their armies and cities being wiped out... BUT FIRST they'll make sure they aren't nukes. If they aren't nukes, everything peachy. If they are, god help us all! How does that make any sense? The moment you go into the multi-kiloton range you're going to start a nuclear escalation anyway. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 02:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 02:22:45 Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: The Illustrious Juden Do not get in the way Alara! Are you kidding, I will push the Button, what a ride. Hey do you think it will be big and red or that turn 2 keys at the same time thing! It would be most awesome if the science had a NASA count down and America's Next Top Astronaut strapped to the front. I'd turn the second key with you. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 02:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 02:38:09 Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 02:32:55 Originally by: Alara IonStorm And yet it is far more likely with an AM bomb instead of a Nuke. Sorry I'm having trouble parsing that last post, with the formatting issues it's rather difficult. But from what I'm reading, you're claiming that: AM bombs will be dropped because they won't cause escalation... this will cause escalation. Please clarify. Also Originally by: Alara IonStorm Not worried about the Fall Out, it is the Dust, it gets kicked into the atmosphere and much like Super Volcanos can put us at risk for an extinction event, Well I never said two countries wiping out each other was going to be pleasant. But with a nuclear exchange you get dust kicked into the upper atmostphere AND that dust is radioactive. As opposed to just regular dust with AM weapons. and further more why do i even need a sig?

Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 02:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Culmen on 10/06/2011 02:42:28 Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 10/06/2011 02:37:10 Originally by: Culmen Sorry I'm having trouble parsing that last post, with the formatting issues it's rather difficult. But from what I'm reading, you're claiming that: AM bombs will be dropped because they won't cause escalation... this will cause escalation. Please clarify. I don't need too, you just described humanity in a nut shell. It will be something ******ed like that, that will kill us all. Unless we get to space first. Also I would also love to fly a Bomb Powered Starship. Always wanted to know if there was life on Titan. Even if it is only Microbes. So once again, the problem is Humans, what weapon they choose to wipe each other out doesn't really matter. He'll if science went another way, we'd probably be threating to wipe each other out with super-sarin gas or something. So the weapons don't matter for starting armageddon, but one weapon has practical non-apocalyptic uses. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.10 04:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Alara IonStorm I feel it has more to do with what they can justify using it for. I think if we get them they are more likely to start a Nuke Fight then a Nuke. I think that's where we differ. My reasoning is , that since it looks like a nuke, sounds like a nuke, explodes like a nuke, produces a mushroom cloud like a nuke. Both sides are probably going to treat it as a nuke. Doesn't matter if it leaves behind a cloud of radioactive dust, does nothing to the atmosphere or leaves behind the fresh scent of pine. People are still going to lump it together with nukes. Sort of like how nerve gas gets lumped together with WMDs. and further more why do i even need a sig?

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