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Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.09 00:48:00 - [1] http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2011/06/08/137028191/binding-the-universe-s-other-half-anti-matter-trapped-for-15-minutes How long you wanna bet it will be before we wipe each other (and the planet) out of existence lol. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:29:00 - [2] If any nation hit another with an anti-matter warhead, chances are they would get hit by regular nukes. So basically the same situation we've been in since the 50s. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Sojelly	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:42:00 - [3] NPR... righto OP is a communist.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:44:00 - [4] Took about a century from the discovery of atoms to the development of atomic weapons, reckon these antimatter bombs you speak of are at least a century away. Meaning we won't have to deal with them Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:27:00 - [5] Actually I just realized. Antimatter bombs are a tremendously GOOD thing. I currently doubt we'll be able to produce a kilo/megaton range anti-matter charge alone. What we can do however, is use an anti-matter explosion to initiate deuterium fusion. Basically, you'll have a regular nuclear explosion with none of the fall out. Why is this a good thing? PROJECT MOTHERF*CKING ORION! With an anti-matter catalyzed nuke, you remove the biggest drawback from using nukes to send stuff into space. We could launch an ISS Sized payload fully assembled with room left over to refuel a few shuttles. We could get a manned mission to mars, maybe even to titan or io. We could launch an orbital solar power station and solve the energy crisis. This is pretty awesome. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:32:00 - [6] Well one isn't around so why worry?
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Culmen WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! Actually I just realized. THIS FIXES EVERYTHING! I have never seen anyone flip flop on an issue that fast and in such a big way.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Culmen Actually I just realized. Antimatter bombs are a tremendously GOOD thing. I currently doubt we'll be able to produce a kilo/megaton range anti-matter charge alone. What we can do however, is use an anti-matter explosion to initiate deuterium fusion. Basically, you'll have a regular nuclear explosion with none of the fall out. Why is this a good thing? PROJECT MOTHERFCKING ORION! With an anti-matter catalyzed nuke, you remove the biggest drawback from using nukes to send stuff into space. We could launch an ISS Sized payload fully assembled with room left over to refuel a few shuttles. We could get a manned mission to mars, maybe even to titan or io. We could launch an orbital solar power station and solve the energy crisis. This is pretty awesome. The fallout is what makes it a good weapon, where do you think a majority of the casualties come from? Just like CCP Fallout makes threads better Originally by:* Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Nariya Kentaya Global Mining Operation OmniTech Initiative	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Culmen Actually I just realized. Antimatter bombs are a tremendously GOOD thing. I currently doubt we'll be able to produce a kilo/megaton range anti-matter charge alone. What we can do however, is use an anti-matter explosion to initiate deuterium fusion. Basically, you'll have a regular nuclear explosion with none of the fall out. Why is this a good thing? PROJECT MOTHERF*CKING ORION! With an anti-matter catalyzed nuke, you remove the biggest drawback from using nukes to send stuff into space. We could launch an ISS Sized payload fully assembled with room left over to refuel a few shuttles. We could get a manned mission to mars, maybe even to titan or io. We could launch an orbital solar power station and solve the energy crisis. This is pretty awesome. you do know your talking about something that once it becomes even close to economical to amke, the governments of the world are going to SEIZE it, and immediately start rolling out new weapons to threaten eachother with, right? we MAY get to see it used for "Good" purposes, but not for another century or more, America, Russia, China, The half of Europe epople care about, all these countries care about their military first (as half-assed as they make it), and the "Greater Good" second. (unless the greater good involves lining their pockets while kicking sand into the face of poor war-orphans in other countries, then they're all for it.)
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Culmen on 09/06/2011 03:51:34 Originally by: Nariya Kentaya Originally by: Culmen Actually I just realized. Antimatter bombs are a tremendously GOOD thing. I currently doubt we'll be able to produce a kilo/megaton range anti-matter charge alone. What we can do however, is use an anti-matter explosion to initiate deuterium fusion. Basically, you'll have a regular nuclear explosion with none of the fall out. Why is this a good thing? PROJECT MOTHERFCKING ORION! With an anti-matter catalyzed nuke, you remove the biggest drawback from using nukes to send stuff into space. We could launch an ISS Sized payload fully assembled with room left over to refuel a few shuttles. We could get a manned mission to mars, maybe even to titan or io. We could launch an orbital solar power station and solve the energy crisis. This is pretty awesome. you do know your talking about something that once it becomes even close to economical to amke, the governments of the world are going to SEIZE it, and immediately start rolling out new weapons to threaten eachother with, right? we MAY get to see it used for "Good" purposes, but not for another century or more, America, Russia, China, The half of Europe epople care about, all these countries care about their military first (as half-assed as they make it), and the "Greater Good" second. (unless the greater good involves lining their pockets while kicking sand into the face of poor war-orphans in other countries, then they're all for it.) Well I'll put it to you this way... What can an anti-matter bomb do, that a nuke doesn't already do? Governments won't even use kilo-ton scale tactical nukes for fear of total nuclear war. About the only difference between an Anti-matter explosion and a Nuclear explosion is lack of radioactive fallout. The political fallout is still the same. The anti-matter warhead on the other hand are a different story. Anti-matter warheads require energy to stop from exploding, the anti-matter needs to be magnetically confined in a perfect vacuum or the entire thing goes boom. A nuke on the other hand, will be perfectly fine just sitting there. You need to do some serious *** to get it to go critical. A nuke can survive crashing in a b-52 without even releasing radioactive material. A similar accident with an anti-matter warhead would probably result in a full out explosion. So... same effect as a nuke, much higher maintaince cost, much greater risk. Probably not going to be adopted over the nuke as a weapon. On the other hand with the orion project, the benifits of a clean explosion far outweigh the risks and cost. Thus only the civilian side is likely to have a use for it. and further more why do i even need a sig?

Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:44:00 - [11] No government would be stupid enough to try and produce enough antimatter on the surface of the earth in order to make a bomb.... Also, an antimatter bomb of roughly the same mass as a normal nuclear warhead would make a much, much bigger bang....
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:05:00 - [12] Way to leave me hanging there, Fallout! Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Selinate No government would be stupid enough to try and produce enough antimatter on the surface of the earth in order to make a bomb.... Now that is wishful thinking. You only need to look at the US military budget to realize that what you just said is nothing but wishful thinking. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.09 09:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Grimpak on 09/06/2011 09:50:00 Originally by: Culmen The anti-matter warhead on the other hand are a different story. Anti-matter warheads require energy to stop from exploding, the anti-matter needs to be magnetically confined in a perfect vacuum or the entire thing goes boom. A nuke on the other hand, will be perfectly fine just sitting there. You need to do some serious ** to get it to go critical. A nuke can survive crashing in a b-52 without even releasing radioactive material. A similar accident with an anti-matter warhead would probably result in a full out explosion. small correction: while the most recent failsafes do avoid that, keep in mind that uranium-type bombs use a revolver configuration where you basically smash a bit of uranium against another bit. An accident where such thing happens is quite probable. plutonium-type bombs however, do require to be imploded in a very synchronized way, thus making them more "safe" to carry around. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.09 11:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Sojelly NPR... righto OP is a communist. Becuase that is so much worse then being a captialist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
ivar R'dhak Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.09 12:11:00 - [16] Isn¦t antimatter the most expensive thing on our planet? Would be probably cheaper and more effective to just bomb the offending populace with 10000 dollar rolls. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.09 13:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Culmen What can an anti-matter bomb do, that a nuke doesn't already do? Completely obliterate any matter the antimatter comes in contact with as opposed to a really big explosion with radioactive fallout? - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Nira Li Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.09 16:43:00 - [18] If it doesn't create a mushroom cloud I don't want it
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.09 17:14:00 - [19] Forgive me my ignorance, but what would such an antimatter-explosion look like? Big antimatter bomb hits ground -> All hydrogen in the immediate area just "dissapears"? Or-? If that's the case, what would be the result of an oxygen antimatter bomb detonated airborne just above the target area? Mods and Devs, sign my signature and I'll love you long time. <3
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 17:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Culmen on 09/06/2011 17:28:33 Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Culmen What can an anti-matter bomb do, that a nuke doesn't already do? Completely obliterate any matter the antimatter comes in contact with as opposed to a really big explosion with radioactive fallout? You do realize that both an anti-matter bomb and a nuke are basically doing the same thing? Transforming matter into energy. A nuke has fallout because only a tiny fraction of the fissile material is actually being converted into energy. the rest of the radioactive stuff just gets scattered Anti-matter transforms into energy almost completely, but loses efficiency because it has to be contained in a complicated storage mechanism. Originally by: Alpine 69 Forgive me my ignorance, but what would such an antimatter-explosion look like? Big antimatter bomb hits ground -> All hydrogen in the immediate area just "dissapears"? Or-? If that's the case, what would be the result of an oxygen antimatter bomb detonated airborne just above the target area? As stated above, and anti-matter bomb would look like a regular nuclear explosion. Anti-matter hits matter, both are converted into energy. BOOM! The whole mushroom cloud thing is actually a function of heat/energy and distance from ground. An air bursting anti-matter bomb would mushroom cloud. and further more why do i even need a sig?

Kambiri Zoltana the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.06.09 20:13:00 - [21] Producing an antimatter bomb would bankrupt the united states, so dont worry I would say.
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.09 20:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Culmen WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! Actually I just realized. THIS FIXES EVERYTHING! I have never seen anyone flip flop on an issue that fast and in such a big way. Reading comprehension not trained to level 1? My post was "So basically the same situation we've been in since the 50s." So its more Meh. Status quo. Actually I just realized. SQUEEEEEEEEEEE! and further more why do i even need a sig?
Ultim8Evil Ministry Of Eternal Disorder	Posted - 2011.06.09 21:56:00 - [23] Who would recruit someone called Barakkus? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 21:57:00 - [24] Edited by: Selinate on 09/06/2011 22:02:48 Originally by: Alpheias Originally by: Selinate No government would be stupid enough to try and produce enough antimatter on the surface of the earth in order to make a bomb.... Now that is wishful thinking. You only need to look at the US military budget to realize that what you just said is nothing but wishful thinking. No, its not wishful thinking. At the moment, the price tag on antimatter is so unbelievable high, that producing enough to make a bomb out of it would just cost too much, plain and simple. You can tote the US military budget all you want, but the price of making enough antimatter to do this would be much more than the US military could afford. This is something that won't change any time soon, like within the next 50-100 years. And even if someone could afford to produce enough, antimatter isn't just something you put in a hole and expect to stay there until you need it. Wherever the US government decided to have the antimatter containment bay in the country, it would need constant electricity to supply the magnets and electric fields that suspend it, and even then there would be a constant need for production since, no matter how strong the magnet or electric fields are, some of it will escape and annihilate at a non-zero rate, and it will deplete over time. Not to mention that if even a microsecond of a slip-up happened and the electric fields and magnets lost the juice, it would explode, and like I said earlier, this would NOT be just the size of a thermonuclear warhead we have today, it would be much MUCH bigger. So no, its not wishful thinking.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 09/06/2011 22:02:48 Originally by: Alpheias Originally by: Selinate No government would be stupid enough to try and produce enough antimatter on the surface of the earth in order to make a bomb.... Now that is wishful thinking. You only need to look at the US military budget to realize that what you just said is nothing but wishful thinking. No, its not wishful thinking. At the moment, the price tag on antimatter is so unbelievable high, that producing enough to make a bomb out of it would just cost too much, plain and simple. You can tote the US military budget all you want, but the price of making enough antimatter to do this would be much more than the US military could afford. This is something that won't change any time soon, like within the next 50-100 years. And even if someone could afford to produce enough, antimatter isn't just something you put in a hole and expect to stay there until you need it. Wherever the US government decided to have the antimatter containment bay in the country, it would need constant electricity to supply the magnets and electric fields that suspend it, and even then there would be a constant need for production since, no matter how strong the magnet or electric fields are, some of it will escape and annihilate at a non-zero rate, and it will deplete over time. Not to mention that if even a microsecond of a slip-up happened and the electric fields and magnets lost the juice, it would explode, and like I said earlier, this would NOT be just the size of a thermonuclear warhead we have today, it would be much MUCH bigger. So no, its not wishful thinking. And you would have to know how magnets work, which nobody does! Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny And you would have to know how magnets work, which nobody does! Hmmmm? Magnets make charged stuff go in circles. As to how they do that, I have no clue, but it's the effect that's important
The Illustrious Juden	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:29:00 - [27] I read somewhere that it would take 10's of thousands of years to produce even a few grams of anti-matter and that it isn't an efficiency issue, it's a fundamental physics issue.
Xirin	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:38:00 - [28] Edited by: Xirin on 09/06/2011 22:39:13 Nope. It's an efficency issue. It may also have to do with the availble power output of the entire Earth (heard that somewhere), but so far we only use a negliable amount of the power available (solar (from space), geothermal, etc). So yah, making large quantities of antimatter is surely possible. Why would you want to though? Edit: Crap, this guy again. Got trolled.
The Illustrious Juden	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:44:00 - [29] I know, my first reaction was that it's an efficiency issue ofc as well. But I remembered it because the guy made a point to say it was a fundamental physics issue. I can't remember the exact context but I think he was talking about large scale on earth.
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.09 23:21:00 - [30] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 09/06/2011 23:21:55 Originally by: Culmen My post was "So basically the same situation we've been in since the 50s." Which was as you stated, Nuclear War will kill us all if it was launched, we are all gonna die being the result. If you are meh about everyone dieing that is sad, I added so emotion to make you less robotic, you are welcome Robot Culmen. Originally by: Culmen So its more Meh. Status quo. Actually I just realized. SQUEEEEEEEEEEE! So you went from another Doomsday weapon to everything will be better as stated. I am glad you can feel excitement sometimes Cyborg Culmen(Alara Flip Flop). Originally by: Culmen Reading comprehension not trained to level 1? I have it trained to V, perhaps you should bring it passed 1.



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