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Hyssax
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Posted - 2003.07.02 00:57:00 -
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with the new patch gunneryskills wont bring damage bonus any more so how will day payback my spended time on 11 gunerry skills ... i build an escort fighter with except longrange and 1 more gunnery skill .. and now CCP stealing my damage bonuses!
what will be their next step ? will they order us how to play our game? where ve been gone to skill advantages. if skills wont effect my damage every player with same stuff will have same advantage and at that point we cant talk about any advantage..........
i want my damage bonus back! sometimes i woke up from my sweet sleep and started another level for my skill trainings and now CCP takin them from me and u but with which right ?or for what?
if their excuse is preventing some safe for n00bs why didnt they bring a solution with corps at 0.5 and highr sec level systems? or why didnt they created -0.00 sec level systems?
i want my damage bonus back my speneded time back .... there is no real fun in the game right now except killing those NPC pirates and we were having fun with talkin about our damages it was a race for us. what is CCP tryin to do turn this game only a mining game? whhy are they killing PvP ?
if their excuse is Pirate players and n00b saving they can create better solutions about that .
ccp HAVE NO RŞGHT TO STEAL MY SKILL BONUS AND MY SPENDED TIME ! ! ! ! ! !
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:02:00 -
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ccp HAVE NO RŞGHT TO STEAL MY SKILL BONUS AND MY SPENDED TIME ! ! ! ! ! !
yeah, that one's a keeper
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Hralti
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:03:00 -
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yeah, he should call the ACLU on that one, lol.
Edited by: Hralti on 02/07/2003 01:03:53 |
Elif
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:07:00 -
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if they wont fix that before they apply the patch they ay loose a customer and i am sure that i wont be the only guy who ll leave thsi game ! there are many online games giving more PvP like Planet side and others!
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Commissar Gaunt
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:11:00 -
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Then go and play planetside then, its not like the majority of people care about those that come here looking for sympathy when they leave. Cold hard fact but true: Nobody cares
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Hyssax
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:14:00 -
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gaunt if u act and live like a shep u never get ur rights :) even i dont wait any symphaty from u ! i want what i deserve i am not a human formed sheep waiting for orders!
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:27:00 -
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I'm flying a Rupture. With dual 425's. L4 small and medium turret skills, L3 surgical strike, 5 low slots to slap gyros/hyd stabilizers in I can get a 12.63 damx. That's pretty insane. I did a wrecking blow for 670. That would be pretty near half of any cruisers shields in ONE shot.
The only problem I see with lowering damage is it is going to make it real tough to keep someone pinned down long enough to actually kill them unless you hunt in a gang or massively outclass them.
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Damon Vile
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:28:00 -
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If you knew anything about PvP you'd know that as it is right now "your damage bonus" is way too high and makes the game lame. Battleships going down in 5 seconds isn't fun.
The skills you trained will still give you a damage bonus it just won't be as high. If you had a lvl 5 skill it will still be better then a person with a lvl 3 skill you haven't lost anything.
This isn't a nerf it's a fix
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:32:00 -
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I think the 'bug' that allowed small wpn skill to add to medium wpn damage was a pretty nice one, as it would give an incentive to train all skills.
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Veridet Faulk
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:32:00 -
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Well put Damon,
As he said they bonus was being applied to your dammage after all the heatsynks and gyros leading to some pretty huge values.. It is applied now properly and fairly as it should..
Be well, Be nice...
Veridet Faulk
"Well I have seen the contestants and I feel that I am especially attracted to Veridet Faulk. I know that she is a member of the Polaris Corporation that operates inside Jove space, and JovianĘs are particularly hideous, but she is different. I feel particular heart warming friendliness from herą if you know what I mean"- Playboy Enterprises
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:41:00 -
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I know what is comming next,
they kill the stacking of the accelleration controll with the AB's and MWD. So everyone is back to the basic speed + 20% for a AB. 5 sec from "drop out of warp" to "gating" is way to fast, it has to be at least 3 minutes.
they kill the miners, they mine way to fast. miner one max 30 ore per miner, on par with the drones, we dont want any miner to have any advantage over a totall n00b.
And dont forget that the shields and hulls of the ships have to be increased by a factor 10 so we can use "tactics". A nice 15 minutes slug fest at 2km from each other is the pinacle of fun.
Ok, enough of the ranting, everyone cries like mad when they loose there nice cruiser in under 10 seconds. The problem is that almost no one thinks about who shot them. The so called "exploiters" who's name shall not be mentioned here. The thing is thats all they do, combat, thats all they train, thats there expertise. So indead they should be able to kill you in under 10 sec flat, even without a lag fest. Same with a miner, a miner can get 2 mining skills and up to 10 drone's. Take a good ship with excellent equipment and he can mine an indy full in 5 minutes flat. Optimal that would be more then one ark refine per 5 mins, with the current mega prices thats over 15 mill per hour.
Same with the research guy's, speed freaks you call it whatever job you want.
But you know what, i dont loose any ISK if some other guy can produce some ship slightly faster or slightly cheaper. I only need one ship and without pirates that ship will last me for the rest of my play time.
ps.
just saw the post about the projectiles and i agree. I got a projectile with 4.8 base damage modifier. After the next patch i dont think ill be able to reach such a modifier with beams (wich is my weapon of choice). oh, then it comes the rate of fire, well that is a none issue cause with some skills and some equipment i can bring down the rate of fire of the projectile to thae ROF of the beam, but i never can get the beam to use NO cap.
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i think the 3% per level is a joke for a rank 4 skill, it should be at least 5% and maybe higher, kind of like the advanced refine skill. The bonus of the higher levels is not enough for the time spend.
Edited by: snotty on 02/07/2003 02:07:25
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.02 02:14:00 -
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Woah... somebody's not the brightest bulb in the box.
Edited by: Setec on 02/07/2003 02:14:46
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Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.07.02 03:07:00 -
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They aren't stealing anything they are fixing it! The Surgical Strike skill, Rapid Fire skill and all the damage mods are NOT working as they should now, they will be FIXED in the patch to come Thursday (read the announcment forum, Pann posted something about moving it from Wednesday to Thursday...).
Yeah, to some it sucks because instead of having a uber damage mod of like 9.5x, they might have more like 7.1 (which is still VERY good!). So ******* what? It only means that fights will last a couple more *cough* seconds *cough* hehe
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Vidar Kentoran
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Posted - 2003.07.02 03:09:00 -
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OMG THEY STOLE YER TIME YOU SHOULD SUE
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ga'ia
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Posted - 2003.07.02 03:27:00 -
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snotty, what are you on, because you dont make any since at all.
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Hippey
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Posted - 2003.07.02 03:34:00 -
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Holy ****. Dude you're a celebritiy. Aren't you the guy that banned Britney spears album for vulgarity?
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.07.02 08:35:00 -
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"5 sec from "drop out of warp" to "gating" is way to fast, it has to be at least 3 minutes."
Holy... Are you serious?
I'd like to see you do a 80 jump trip then. Would take like 4.5-5 hours if not more including warping, jumping and loading times.
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.07.02 09:33:00 -
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CCP's goal here it to create as much tedium to make even the most simple of tasks as time consuming as possible.
They are doing this in an effort to make up for a lack of content in the game.
The need to keep you all paying (well, me too) for as long as possible, and the best way to keep you from achieving your goals too quickly is to make it take you 3 minutes to approach a gate/station.
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Hyssax
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:02:00 -
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U are all forgetting something ! After Patch only projectile guns will be the heaviest guns! and this will be unfair !
But i dont wait u can think anything else than ur afraid ***es. u are afraiding from pirates and waiting some action from CCP. so u are happy with the patch. i know what u feeL.
dont wory u ll fly more shiip few more seconds now before destroy
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:03:00 -
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God damn whiners!
"I want my milk back! Mummy!"
Edited by: Molly on 02/07/2003 10:06:05
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Xane
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:11:00 -
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I want my NPC Trade bonus back !
Hang on, I never had one in the first place !!!
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:13:00 -
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"u are afraiding from pirates"
How DARE you!
I are *never* afraiding from the pirates.
And before you think they're fixing *your* toys, they're not, they're fixing everyones toys.
And you skills will be more useful now than before.
But tbh I was getting a bit bored looting pirates, as no interaction was needed, just point in opposite direction, fire guns. It should take some brain now..
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:39:00 -
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ah, i made no sence.
plain and simple all the nerfs that will happen are a result of the constant whining on these boards and will kill the gameplay for everyone.
the only problem is that the nerfs only happen to one region of the game, damage modifiers.
Let the devs take a lot of time to fix everyting about the guns, not only the damage but also the tracking, range, balance between the types, and so on.
So comming friday we can not kill anyting anymore except noobs and 1k pirates.
oh, why is it that no one seem to write anything except some comment on someone's spelling or understanding of the english language. Its hard enough to write in an non native language even without being dislectic.
Edited by: snotty on 02/07/2003 10:44:39
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:40:00 -
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"plain and simple all the nerfs that will happen are a result of the constant whining on these boards and will kill the gameplay for everyone."
No.
"the only problem is that the nerfs only happen to one region of the game, damage modifiers."
No.
"Let the devs take a lot of time to fix everyting about the guns, not only the damage but also the tracking, range, balance between the types, and so on."
No.
"So comming friday we can not kill anyting anymore except noobs and 1k pirates."
No.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
snotty
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:45:00 -
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now add why im wrong.
make me understand
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Main
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:51:00 -
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It really doesn't seem like ccp can't win in anything, me and a lot of other people complain about the obvious bugs in the game and then a few people complain that the bugs are being fixed.
If you are complaining that the bugs are being fixed, go play starwars : galaxies, if you like bugs, you will love that game.
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Hyssax
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Posted - 2003.07.02 12:37:00 -
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it was not a bug. they named it as a bug because they feel pitty those crying babys " oh dear CCP i lost my ship :( bahuu "
and thsi thing will create a greate diss advantage for skilled players. We trained our skills so we must have and advantage against non-trained player.
what will b next step ? to save some baby **ses will they delete my character? my guns and ship ?
this is non sense u crying babys maybe like the idea to come sama position with skilled players but i really dislike that thing !
and now u ll see pirates camping around with more members what will u do than. start to cry CCP " oh pls bann their acccounts they are killing us "
say it man . u like the new patch because its saving ur *ss from bing a target and bringing advantage to u. but dont forget soon u ll be the targeter too and start to search for targets...
i am not paying for mining all day. i am paying and playing for fun !
and at the end this is a game we need more fun not f***ing rulez !
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.07.02 12:54:00 -
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Skilled players (true skilled players), will perform well whatever CCP do in the code.
Some playstyle may get screwed, but here again, skilled players will be able to switch playstyle, they'll maybe lose in some extreme categories of the playerbase, but win in another.
Even if I actualy complain about hybrid ballance, if CCP doesn't do **** about it I'll just go for projectile and I'll be as much effective as I am today (efficiency relative to others players I mean, not to NPC, since we are all equal whatever the patching change to the game mechanics).
If what you call skilled player is a timesink fanatic, then maybe you should try Everquest, there "Time invested = Power" with no turnarounds.
Edited by: Endyl on 02/07/2003 12:55:21
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:37:00 -
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Axelay:
<< Then you could put hybrids at the top, where the should be. The most powerful weapons in the game. For a reason! they use cap AND ammo. >>
No weapon class should be on top. If there were a 'top weapon' there would be a top ship according to race because of the bonuses for each level of ship skill. And a top weapon of that weapon class. Obviously that's too many 'tops' for a balanced game.
Hybrids because they have both ammo and cap limitations, should do hard damage very quickly. But they shouldn't be able to sustain that damage for very long because. But with the length of battles, that's no worry.
<< CCP's goal here it to create as much tedium to make even the most simple of tasks as time consuming as possible.
They are doing this in an effort to make up for a lack of content in the game.
The need to keep you all paying (well, me too) for as long as possible, and the best way to keep you from achieving your goals too quickly is to make it take you 3 minutes to approach a gate/station. >>
While the travel time is prolly to keep people playing longer, the same doesn't apply to ship combat. A longer battle would be more enjoyable, at least to me. Not because I don't know how to dust someone in the 1st volley or two. But because a longer battle would allow other skills and ship configurations to come into play. Right now, the only skills/modules getting any real use are weapons.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Silmaril
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:42:00 -
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Hyssax, it was a bug.
"Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men." |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:37:00 -
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yes, the uber-boosters were *never* intended to do that.
Think of it another way - For the last month, you have had weapon power of a level you should only experience 6-8 months down the line, if at all.
We have been spoiled, and now they're taking our toys away.
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Shemaul
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:54:00 -
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Hello all, after reading this forum for a couple of week, i decide to start writing.
Acftually my kind of play is all about Hybrid Weap, and i read lot of people thinking they are nerfed a bit too much.
I really don't know how PVP work in EVE(i'm just too noob to think about it at the moment).
But i play bunch of MMOG to know that a balance game should come only after months (maybe years) of patches.
I think the only way to act is to give CCP good suggestios (not only as a result of the moment), and wait for all the stuff to be balanced.
If i think about DAOC (for example) they keep nerfing and powering all classes during this 3 years, and keep rolling.
What's wrong now, could be fixed to be balanced in the future, so i think we should all prefer a balanced game in 6 months, instead of a Uber damage for a couple of weeks...
(Sorry all about english, but i'm italian and my english knowledge comes from PC's experience ;) )
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:56:00 -
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Snotty, I think I know what he was trying to say.
With every damage mod fix, there has been a corresponding fix to an unbalanced defense mod. In the last round of fixes, they nailed the MWD so it is a liablity to have equiped during combat (as it should be). In the upcoming patch, shield hardeners are also getting tuned down (they take more cap and have shorter activation times).
I'm heartbroken, with my braced multispec and an EM ward, a ship with a Dual 425+damage mod loadout cannot punch though my shields even after a minute of sustaned fire (ask Tank). I'll miss sustatained 85% resistances, but it's fair.
LSJ
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Torval Sontu
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Posted - 2003.07.02 17:13:00 -
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I think I need to bring out the big guns here for the topic starter ;(.
I am sorry but this needs to be done..
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Mr Bubbles
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Posted - 2003.07.02 17:52:00 -
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I wish CCP would make a rule stating that only literate people could make suggestions. I have a headache from reading this guy's posts. |
Jack Hayden
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Posted - 2003.07.02 18:26:00 -
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Doomsayers, how I loathe them.
*wanders off*
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.02 18:34:00 -
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this thread should just be called Hyssyfit.
really, it's a scary day when some of the more rational posts are made by
I mean some of you people make me wanna just
until i pass out. You must have the sharp wit and brainpower of a
Unfortunately, some OTHERS seem to overreact to this kinda thing, trying to bind us in too many restrictions
and i realize threads like this will only stop when
so until then, if i see you in space, i'll just say
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Hyssax
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Posted - 2003.07.03 00:33:00 -
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Bad Harle....... Did u get any perm÷ision from ur mother beore sending any post to here?
How old are u my sweet baby ? oo by the i heard that neew summer creation of Bennotton 0-12 has some good clothes for u why dont u go shoping ?
i am not a M00 member but from now on i support m00 with all my hearth i really wanna see u babys crying for more BALANCE :p afte they visit u !
p.s. : maybe u can think i ll be get kiled too but at the end this is just a game for me i can just destroy my ship for fun too :)
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Garon
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Posted - 2003.07.03 01:40:00 -
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its safe to say for all games that if you give everyone an IQ of 100 and put them all together in a group, they will be retarded enough to not even tie there own shoes. so with that said.....
"if you wish to live wisely, ignore sayings like this one" -Annonymous
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Phoibos
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Posted - 2003.07.03 02:16:00 -
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This is the most pathetic initial post I've seen so far.
Please stop and think...
/Andreas
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.03 16:22:00 -
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To quote a 'wise' man (who, like our poster, could not spell):
"Teh stupid, it buirns!"
This thread is trollbait. Mods, please?
Edited by: Rhonstet on 03/07/2003 16:23:07
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.07.03 16:33:00 -
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"I want my milk back! Mummy!"
Exactly :)
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