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Praxis Astra Minmatar Hard Rock Mining Co. The Jagged Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.11 22:51:00 - [1] Hey all you New EVE Players. I just wanted to clue you in as to how you can guarantee that you remain on the fringes of any online organization. Now some folks do just want to have fun poking around on their own. That's fine with us if this is the case. Just remember that you have an open invitation to the revels and a seat near the hearth any time you want it. But if you want to be in the thick of what is happening in this or any online organization, you gotta do the same thing you have to do at any party. You have to TALK to the other people. You have to get into the corp voice chat server. Voice to voice is the heart of the operation. Getting into the voice server makes it easier to do every single thing you want to do in the game. The voice server is where almost all of the educating, wheeling and dealing, Secret Evil Planning, and bonding takes place. That's just how it works. Fairness has nothing to do with it. Or to put it another way, who would you rather play with--somebody who is talking in the room with you "face to face" or somebody who only exchanges written messages with you through a slot in a door? (They'd have to be a DAMN good writer to keep me interested for long.) Voice communication is essental to entering the leadership, to ops of any kind, to doing anything in 0.0 space. The only way I accept voiceless people in ops is with the understanding that nobody is responsible for what happens to you if you miss out on critical instructions at crisis moments such as if a mining op is attacked. A lot of the time typing is simply not an option. It really doesn't matter why you don't participate in voice communication. All the other players can judge with any certainly is that, with millions of ISK and our character's lives at stake, you are someone who does not have this essential tool. If your finances are so bad that you don't have $15.00 for a headset, you need to stop reading this and find a job. If you are having tech troubles and are unable to figure them out I got some bad news for you: learning EVE is at least as complicated as that. If you can't figure out how to make a microphone work, you probably won't ever be very good at this game. Perhaps something simpler like tic tac toe? Solitaire? Finally, if you need further explanation on this point that does not bode well for your ability to function as a part of a team. Schemocrat, Machiavellianaut, and Fanatitech of the most inspiring Secret Evil Plan To Rule Everything (TM) in the galaxy.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.06.11 22:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 11/06/2011 22:55:47 Whiny, nasally, annoying voices.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:00:00 - [3] Incomprehensible accents. Grating voices. Inane smalltalk. Wildly different volumes, from "need to turn up headphone at max to barely hear" to "yank headphones out because your eardrums just exploded". Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. Key-activated transmit with people forgetting to push the key. No record or what was said, people missing what's said, having to repeat it a zillion times and for each newcomer. Voice channels ? No thanks. I'd rather use text mode mainly. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Kalle Demos Amarr Helix Protocol	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 11/06/2011 22:55:47 Whiny, nasally, annoying voices. Ed Milliband? . LETS POST ON CAOD GANG!
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 11/06/2011 23:06:19 Originally by: Kalle Demos Ed Milliband? Never heard his voice, I tend to avoid politics and politicians wherever possible. Originally by: Akita T Grating voices. Inane smalltalk. Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. These three especially annoy me.
Burn Jita Down	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:14:00 - [6] The general image I form of people with my own imagination is enough for me really. Although you may be perfectly confident that your reality is so attractive it must be shouted in people's ears and I don't want to ruin that for you. I might just really like listening to something else.
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:27:00 - [7] It is essential unfortunately for PVP gameplay in EvE unless you play solo. I don't particularly like having to have a Mic setup all the time but i do because it's a must. I've been using a desk stand mic for the last year & found it to be much better than the headsets too, because it doesn't get knocked around as much. I recommend it to anyone who has trouble with fickle headset Mics crapping out all the time. it didn't cost much and has served me well, I fond it's easier to keep a good sound balance with the mic on the desk also, rather than right up in your face like a headset. Just thought I'd share Also, it can be fun having a chat with corpies in quit times, just goof off & get to know one another. I live in Australia & really enjoy having a yap with people from all over the world in my EvE Corp. Some of the crew are actually pretty interesting, witty, smart people. Then of course there's the poor people like me who do well to spend more time listening than actually saying anything!!
Jiska Ensa	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:46:00 - [8] 100% agree with Akita. I don't understand why some alliances damn near force you onto voice comms 23/7 at gun point. When on a PvP op: Yes, I agree, comms are essential. Other times it's just annoying. I've got a dozen things I'd rather listen to then a bunch of people who can barely speak english (which is fine, most of the time) coupled with terrible reception (annoying at the best of times) babbling on and on about nothing I care about. Makes me want to rip my hair out.
Ayieka	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:48:00 - [9] socially awkward foreign kid is my least favorite teamspeak entity.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 11/06/2011 23:50:32 I thought being a second class citizen meant not buying isk via RMT or GTC. Your thread title is completely misleading!

Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:53:00 - [11] I have a membership card.
PureMurder	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:08:00 - [12] Ok, I want to try to frame this a bit because there's a lot of things going on so far here: a) Voice comms lead to saved ships. (I think we can close this discussion.) b) Voice comms lead to influence. c) Complaints about how voice comms are interested. (I think we should focus on how to improve this.) Please carry on with B and C... but don't forget about B, this is really neat discussion so far!
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:09:00 - [13] bumped to underscore the importance of voice coms while shooting at rocks
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Mars Theran on 12/06/2011 00:21:23 This thread made me laugh. ..and I quite agree, voice comm's are infuriating. I'd also like to add, that people who refuse to type are lazy. edit: perfect place for a typo.
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:22:00 - [15] voice comms are a pain, but very valuable in fleet ops. Just sayin'
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Malcanis on 12/06/2011 00:44:12 Originally by: Praxis Astra Hey all you New EVE Players. I just wanted to clue you in as to how you can guarantee that you remain on the fringes of any online organization. Now some folks do just want to have fun poking around on their own. That's fine with us if this is the case. Just remember that you have an open invitation to the revels and a seat near the hearth any time you want it. But if you want to be in the thick of what is happening in this or any online organization, you gotta do the same thing you have to do at any party. You have to TALK to the other people. You have to get into the corp voice chat server. Voice to voice is the heart of the operation. Getting into the voice server makes it easier to do every single thing you want to do in the game. The voice server is where almost all of the educating, wheeling and dealing, Secret Evil Planning, and bonding takes place. That's just how it works. Fairness has nothing to do with it. Or to put it another way, who would you rather play with--somebody who is talking in the room with you "face to face" or somebody who only exchanges written messages with you through a slot in a door? (They'd have to be a DAMN good writer to keep me interested for long.) Voice communication is essental to entering the leadership, to ops of any kind, to doing anything in 0.0 space. The only way I accept voiceless people in ops is with the understanding that nobody is responsible for what happens to you if you miss out on critical instructions at crisis moments such as if a mining op is attacked. A lot of the time typing is simply not an option. It really doesn't matter why you don't participate in voice communication. All the other players can judge with any certainly is that, with millions of ISK and our character's lives at stake, you are someone who does not have this essential tool. If your finances are so bad that you don't have $15.00 for a headset, you need to stop reading this and find a job. If you are having tech troubles and are unable to figure them out I got some bad news for you: learning EVE is at least as complicated as that. If you can't figure out how to make a microphone work, you probably won't ever be very good at this game. Perhaps something simpler like tic tac toe? Solitaire? Finally, if you need further explanation on this point that does not bode well for your ability to function as a part of a team. Given the way you and your chums are performing in M-MBRT right now, I'm not sure that you should be giving advice. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Jiska Ensa	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Selinate voice comms are a pain, but very valuable in fleet ops. Just sayin' Yes, voice comms have a time and a place. "All the time and everywhere" is not a valid option, in my books.
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2011.06.12 00:54:00 - [18] The newb with a million questions the know it all the player who everyone avoids talking to due to boredom the breather the annoying voice dude the player with tragic RL issues that you have no answers for the player you know you would have to punch irl the egomaniac controlling your game the arguer the player that is the best player the testing my new setup guy the might as well not be on voice player the WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY MIKE IS LOUD? IS THAT BETTER? HOW ABOUT THAT? Player the pl e th t h s a br en m e the listen to my music because it is the best man the I am a woman but I cant use a mike man that took about 30 seconds, given 5 minutes I could probably flood the server . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior-
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.12 01:06:00 - [19] The guy who just has to keep talking for the sake of speaking The gang that uses expletives for the sake of getting a rise out of the new guy The gang that uses expletives because they don't know any polysyllabic words The narrator who has to tell everyone about every module activation There are so many reasons that interacting with other people on an MMO will enrich your game, but by the same token there are so many reasons that interacting with other people on an MMO via voice communications can ruin your game, break your immersion and make you wonder why you logged in today. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Praxis Astra Minmatar Hard Rock Mining Co. The Jagged Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.12 01:38:00 - [20] Well. Put me in MY place haven't you? Are you somewhere around twelve years old? I'm trying to get something done here and all you got to say is "nyah nyah nyah." Given the way you and your chums are performing in M-MBRT right now, I'm not sure that you should be giving advice. Schemocrat, Machiavellianaut, and Fanatitech of the most inspiring Secret Evil Plan To Rule Everything (TM) in the galaxy.

Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.12 01:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Praxis Astra Well. Put me in MY place haven't you? Are you somewhere around twelve years old? I'm trying to get something done here and all you got to say is "nyah nyah nyah." Just reflect on the difference between chat channels and voice channels. You don't need to be using voice comms to "connect" with people. Sure, it helps a lot, but not being able to opt out of voice comms means you grant an instant captive audience to all the mouth breathers. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.12 01:47:00 - [22] I've found voice chat to be annoying and juvenile in every online game I've ever played and Eve is no different. I don't want to hear your burps, your farts, your blathering on about buds. I stick to text and I don't care who that ****es off. Besides, I'm usually doing my job when I'm on Eve, talking to suppliers, engineers, or doing scheduling on the phone.
DjHighballer	Posted - 2011.06.12 02:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Jada Maroo I've found voice chat to be annoying and juvenile in every online game I've ever played and Eve is no different. I don't want to hear your burps, your farts, your blathering on about buds. I stick to text and I don't care who that ****es off. Besides, I'm usually doing my job when I'm on Eve, talking to suppliers, engineers, or doing scheduling on the phone. I am somewhat with you. I stick to text when I am busy or when people are just chit chatting. I really am not interested in many of the things talked about on TS. However any time I take my ship out of a safe place I hop into VC because it is much more efficient for coordinating ops and whatnot.
Phenethylamine	Posted - 2011.06.12 04:14:00 - [24] Time and a place. I'll use voice comms in a fight, not to listen to people run off their mouths all day long. You can't tune out uninteresting chat when it's being streamed right into your ears.
Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.12 06:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Habaticus on 12/06/2011 06:35:42 Yeah my rule of thumb in mmo's is Groups - Raids - Fights and actions that need coodination, with one person speaking and acknowledgements where needed. Bonding?? People suck, why would I want to bond with them?
Kent Reeves	Posted - 2011.06.12 06:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Habaticus Edited by: Habaticus on 12/06/2011 06:35:42 Bonding?? People suck, why would I want to bond with them? Amen.
Johnson Johnson	Posted - 2011.06.12 07:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Akita T Incomprehensible accents. Grating voices. Inane smalltalk. Wildly different volumes, from "need to turn up headphone at max to barely hear" to "yank headphones out because your eardrums just exploded". Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. Key-activated transmit with people forgetting to push the key. No record or what was said, people missing what's said, having to repeat it a zillion times and for each newcomer. Voice channels ? No thanks. I'd rather use text mode mainly. + the guy that shouts LEEEERROOY everytime he enters an incursion
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.12 07:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Akita T Incomprehensible accents. Grating voices. Inane smalltalk. Wildly different volumes, from "need to turn up headphone at max to barely hear" to "yank headphones out because your eardrums just exploded". Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. Key-activated transmit with people forgetting to push the key. No record or what was said, people missing what's said, having to repeat it a zillion times and for each newcomer. Voice channels ? No thanks. I'd rather use text mode mainly. This.
Sisohiv Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.12 08:09:00 - [29] I've been in noob corp for over 5 years. Every now and then I get people pestering me to join a player corp. I spam local with obvious scam mexallon contracts for a few minutes, they block me and things go back to business as usuall. "Must have TS3, Vent and RFID chips in your spine" usually evolves to mandatory fleeting on someone elses game schedule and several other demands that pretty much make you the very thing you are saying I should avoid. Being a tool.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.12 08:29:00 - [30] Holy **** sperging aspie trap sprung.

Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.12 08:36:00 - [31] The worst of it is listening to the nasally voice of some kid (half the time eastern European, so he sounds like a young Borat) who goes on and on about how awesome his Rattlesnake is, and how much DPS he can do with it. Or how adept he is at avoiding gate camps, or one-up this, one-up that. For ****'s sake spare me, SPARE ME! So yeah, only in fleet ops. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________ Huh?
Maximum Manmeat	Posted - 2011.06.12 08:39:00 - [32] Edited by: Maximum Manmeat on 12/06/2011 08:39:47 Originally by: Sverige Pahis Holy **** sperging aspie trap sprung. Someone call for a sperging ass-spy? Edit: also "sprung"
Nuniki Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:05:00 - [33] Edited by: Nuniki on 12/06/2011 09:06:26 I wonder how the people who complain about "voices that sound dumb" and "small talk" fare in real life. Is it so torturous to your ears that you cannot join an extension of the social environment which allows for quicker more precise communication? You can play just as well without voice as you do with it. Correct, but only as a solo player. You will be working less efficiently with a team then if you were using voice communications. It is a undeniable fact. There is no reason in the world to not use voice comms that you can drop here that won't make you look like a spoiled whining brat. The only true exception to this is a person who is deaf, but that does not suddenly mean they are operating at the level at which they would be if they were able to use voice communications. Edit: All I am reading is complaints about people being forced to listen to someone talk about random stupid things. Maybe you should be friends with people before you're playing a video game together. Your signature is too large. Please note that the maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:08:00 - [34] Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 12/06/2011 09:09:16 Voice for combat - and only with strict rules in place so that only useful combat information is being relayed, and only by the appropriate people at appropriate times. Herein lies and undeniable advantage. Otherwise, text chat wins. EDIT: To the socialites in the thread, I don't play eve to socialize better. I socialize, when necessary, to play eve better.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Sverige Pahis Holy ** sperging aspie trap sprung. You rang? Nerds can't communicate. That just leaves attention ***s and vaginas who equate their sense of snowflake or nipples with some kind of social heirarchy. Voice is nice for ops but text is a purer medium of self. So naer. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Nuniki Edit: All I am reading is complaints about people being forced to listen to someone talk about random stupid things. Maybe you should be friends with people before you're playing a video game together. Really? So you knew all of the people you play with now before you started playing EVE? On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________ Huh?
Maximum Manmeat	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Holy One Nerds can't communicate. Test would like a word with you
JitaBUGz TheGreat Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:42:00 - [38] LOL There is not a single TS I have been in, mostly all the NC. That is not a utter joke. Far to many people like to hear themselves talk. But I will say WI. was the funniest. Nothing like a bunch of adults trying to troll like there 16 year old counter parts. Alot like those wanabee-teen moms trying to dress like there kids. Just dose not work, but good for a laugh.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Nuniki Edit: All I am reading is complaints about people being forced to listen to someone talk about random stupid things. Maybe you should be friends with people before you're playing a video game together. Perish the thought of trying to make friends with people that you end up teaming up in the game with -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Maximum Manmeat	Posted - 2011.06.12 09:57:00 - [40] Vuk RMT'd all my friends away.

MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.12 10:55:00 - [41] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 12/06/2011 11:01:54 Originally by: Akita T Incomprehensible accents. Grating voices. I get that in RL all the time Quote: Inane smalltalk. Mute sound. Quote: Wildly different volumes, from "need to turn up headphone at max to barely hear" to "yank headphones out because your eardrums just exploded". Good folks use TS3. You can make individual adjustments. Its also why you want to have admins on server who know what the f* they're doing. Quote: Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. Tell them, or mute them. Though TS3 eliminates bg noise pretty well unless the idjit using it really cranks his mic in up way too high. See this is what talking to people is all about. If these things annoy you, then talk to the people and have them rectify. It's not that big a deal. Most will be quite thankful if you help them set their rig up. Quote: Key-activated transmit with people forgetting to push the key. I love it when they do that Quote: No record or what was said, people missing what's said, having to repeat it a zillion times and for each newcomer. You don't have to, you know. Just be uncompromising. It's either be there from the start or follow the pack as best as you can. Yeah... it can be annoying but you can always mute with a button press. Matter of fact, though, the OP is right in so far that it is mission critical if you really get into the game and those odd individuals who refuse to use it and yet still demand to be filled in on everything via chat are about as annoying as it really gets. F* em. Quote: Voice channels ? No thanks. I'd rather use text mode mainly. Cool. Just don't expect to be part of the pack when you don't wanna join the ranks. No pun.
froggy boy	Posted - 2011.06.12 12:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Praxis Astra Hey all you New EVE Players. I just wanted to clue you in as to how you can guarantee that you remain on the fringes of any online organization. Now some folks do just want to have fun poking around on their own. That's fine with us if this is the case. Just remember that you have an open invitation to the revels and a seat near the hearth any time you want it. But if you want to be in the thick of what is happening in this or any online organization, you gotta do the same thing you have to do at any party. You have to TALK to the other people. You have to get into the corp voice chat server. Voice to voice is the heart of the operation. Getting into the voice server makes it easier to do every single thing you want to do in the game. The voice server is where almost all of the educating, wheeling and dealing, Secret Evil Planning, and bonding takes place. That's just how it works. Fairness has nothing to do with it. Or to put it another way, who would you rather play with--somebody who is talking in the room with you "face to face" or somebody who only exchanges written messages with you through a slot in a door? (They'd have to be a DAMN good writer to keep me interested for long.) Voice communication is essental to entering the leadership, to ops of any kind, to doing anything in 0.0 space. The only way I accept voiceless people in ops is with the understanding that nobody is responsible for what happens to you if you miss out on critical instructions at crisis moments such as if a mining op is attacked. A lot of the time typing is simply not an option. It really doesn't matter why you don't participate in voice communication. All the other players can judge with any certainly is that, with millions of ISK and our character's lives at stake, you are someone who does not have this essential tool. If your finances are so bad that you don't have $15.00 for a headset, you need to stop reading this and find a job. If you are having tech troubles and are unable to figure them out I got some bad news for you: learning EVE is at least as complicated as that. If you can't figure out how to make a microphone work, you probably won't ever be very good at this game. Perhaps something simpler like tic tac toe? Solitaire? Finally, if you need further explanation on this point that does not bode well for your ability to function as a part of a team. what about the those that are deaf
Ottersmacker HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.12 13:01:00 - [43] text, especially local chat, is not to be underestimated for combat either
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.12 13:20:00 - [44] Edited by: Demure Guise on 12/06/2011 13:22:25 Originally by: Akita T Incomprehensible accents. Grating voices. Inane smalltalk. Wildly different volumes, from "need to turn up headphone at max to barely hear" to "yank headphones out because your eardrums just exploded". Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. Key-activated transmit with people forgetting to push the key. No record or what was said, people missing what's said, having to repeat it a zillion times and for each newcomer. Voice channels ? No thanks. I'd rather use text mode mainly. This, and... Irritating voices. Annoying attempts at humour which fail to even be amusing. Puerile, immature, inarticulate conversations that are painful to endure. Forced association with people I wouldn't even want to sit next to on a bus let alone talk to. Who needs all that ****! I haven't needed voice chat in Eve for five+ years, and I won't be using it for the forseeable future. I'll voice chat happily to RL friends and family but I'm not interested in talking to every faceless individual on the Internet.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.13 03:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Demure Guise Edited by: Demure Guise on 12/06/2011 22:35:08 Edited by: Demure Guise on 12/06/2011 13:22:25 Originally by: Akita T Incomprehensible accents. Grating voices. Inane smalltalk. Wildly different volumes, from "need to turn up headphone at max to barely hear" to "yank headphones out because your eardrums just exploded". Voice-activated transmit with a noisy background. Key-activated transmit with people forgetting to push the key. No record or what was said, people missing what's said, having to repeat it a zillion times and for each newcomer. Voice channels ? No thanks. I'd rather use text mode mainly. This, and... Annoying attempts at humour which fail to even be faintly amusing. Puerile, immature, inarticulate conversations that are painful to endure. Forced to listen to people I wouldn't even want to sit next to on a bus let alone talk/listen to. Who needs all that **! I haven't needed voice chat in Eve for five+ years, and I won't be using it for the forseeable future. No way, no how. I'll voice chat happily to RL friends and family but I'm not interested in talking to every faceless individual on the Internet just because we play a game. So basically... what you're saying is you're either playing together with people that you find so annoying that you wouldn't wanna talk to them, or you're playing alone. So either those peopel that you refuse to talk are *****s, or you are. Either way, you lose.
Crewman Jenkins Caldari Malicious Demi-Lancers	Posted - 2011.06.13 05:09:00 - [46] Edited by: Crewman Jenkins on 13/06/2011 05:14:34 I won't join a pvp op without voice, and I like to be on comms for incursions. However, other than those few times, I don't care to be on it. I don't enjoy talking all that much. He's right though, for the big alliances, if you aren't on voice you'll most likely always be a pawn.
Cham Palaung	Posted - 2011.06.13 05:22:00 - [47] Edited by: Cham Palaung on 13/06/2011 05:27:18 I find voice communications totally "immersion breaking". I understand its necessity in pvp fleet operations, but else, it's a big NO for me. I'm in space and don't want to hear about what's on your pizza or who has won the football match. At least when you write it i can ignore it, but sadly, ears have no eyelids. Written communication it more quiet, relaxing, people will have a bit more time to think before they express themselves. Also i don't want to have something on the head which cuts me from my natural environment, and i don't want to annoy people living around me by talking in a microphone. Out of fleet ops, voice coms is encouraging poor quality of communication. Our modern world is permanantly agressing us with violent and vulgar noises which are making us more and more dumb and decadent (tv, radio, noise pollution). I play an online game to share something better with people.
Hurffa Duornya Uffflna	Posted - 2011.06.13 06:16:00 - [48] Edited by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna on 13/06/2011 06:17:31 This thread is especially funny for me. The last time I had a spy in the Jagged Alliance (hi OP) it was all voice coms all the time. I got the pleasure of learning about.. just a small sampling. A, hrm how should I put it. A gay male nurse who was convinced he was straight but was suffering from erectile dysfunction and couldn't make his wife pregnant and sounded like Rosy Odonnell and a recovering/relapsing crystal meth addict who was having an online affair with a FC borrowed from FW. Not to mention a gaggle of nerds fawning over a teenage girl that said she would ** in their mouths. (Not **ing kidding) That's just a few and not to mention, they couldn't function as a coherent group in PVP at all. Did not help with my immersion. I really wasn't even bothering to anything but rat while I had the opportunity anit really troubled me, all of it.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.06.13 06:51:00 - [49] To the people who posting the negative points you should remember that many of the bad points you post are applicable to many RL social situations. Getting onto a voice server has its bad sides but you also get some great fun out it with jokes and the funny things that happen.
Cham Palaung	Posted - 2011.06.13 06:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran remember that many of the bad points you post are applicable to many RL social situations. That's precisely the point : many of us play a mmo to experience something different than our daily life.

Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.13 07:19:00 - [51] More importantly.. Teamspeak or Vent? please vote
salty Milk	Posted - 2011.06.13 08:17:00 - [52] "How to be a Second Class Citizen of ANY Online Organization" Be male.
Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.13 10:28:00 - [53] Edited by: Habaticus on 13/06/2011 10:29:36 Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood More importantly.. Teamspeak or Vent? please vote That is the kind of stupid inane bull you get with voice comm
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.13 11:04:00 - [54] Originally by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna Edited by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna on 13/06/2011 06:17:31 This thread is especially funny for me. The last time I had a spy in the Jagged Alliance (hi OP) it was all voice coms all the time. I got the pleasure of learning about.. just a small sampling. A, hrm how should I put it. A gay male nurse who was convinced he was straight but was suffering from erectile dysfunction and couldn't make his wife pregnant and sounded like Rosy Odonnell and a recovering/relapsing crystal meth addict who was having an online affair with a FC borrowed from FW. Not to mention a gaggle of nerds fawning over a teenage girl that said she would ** in their mouths. (Not ing kidding) That's just a few and not to mention, they couldn't function as a coherent group in PVP at all. Did not help with my immersion. I really wasn't even bothering to anything but rat while I had the opportunity anit really troubled me, all of it. Lol that almost made me go apply at some random 0.0 alliance corp Gotta love the random **talk on TS. Thankfully the "mute sound" button is never far away if you're not in the mood. I wish I could shut people down that easily in real life.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.06.13 12:42:00 - [55] Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 13/06/2011 12:47:11 Originally by: Cham Palaung Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran remember that many of the bad points you post are applicable to many RL social situations. That's precisely the point : many of us play a mmo to experience something different than our daily life. So you play a social game in order to avoid being social? Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Originally by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna Edited by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna on 13/06/2011 06:17:31 This thread is especially funny for me. The last time I had a spy in the Jagged Alliance (hi OP) it was all voice coms all the time. I got the pleasure of learning about.. just a small sampling. A, hrm how should I put it. A gay male nurse who was convinced he was straight but was suffering from erectile dysfunction and couldn't make his wife pregnant and sounded like Rosy Odonnell and a recovering/relapsing crystal meth addict who was having an online affair with a FC borrowed from FW. Not to mention a gaggle of nerds fawning over a teenage girl that said she would ** in their mouths. (Not ing kidding) That's just a few and not to mention, they couldn't function as a coherent group in PVP at all. Did not help with my immersion. I really wasn't even bothering to anything but rat while I had the opportunity anit really troubled me, all of it. Lol that almost made me go apply at some random 0.0 alliance corp Gotta love the random **talk on TS. Thankfully the "mute sound" button is never far away if you're not in the mood. I wish I could shut people down that easily in real life. You could almost join Jagged Alliance just for that quality of lols on voice coms, that's some of the best I have ever heard off.
Shazi Mavox	Posted - 2011.06.13 12:52:00 - [56] Heh, forced voicechat is the #1 reason I have not yet bothered with joining a corp...
notabene Minmatar Superior Eve Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.13 12:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 13/06/2011 12:47:11 Originally by: Cham Palaung Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran remember that many of the bad points you post are applicable to many RL social situations. That's precisely the point : many of us play a mmo to experience something different than our daily life. So you play a social game in order to avoid being social? Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Originally by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna Edited by: Hurffa Duornya Uffflna on 13/06/2011 06:17:31 This thread is especially funny for me. The last time I had a spy in the Jagged Alliance (hi OP) it was all voice coms all the time. I got the pleasure of learning about.. just a small sampling. A, hrm how should I put it. A gay male nurse who was convinced he was straight but was suffering from erectile dysfunction and couldn't make his wife pregnant and sounded like Rosy Odonnell and a recovering/relapsing crystal meth addict who was having an online affair with a FC borrowed from FW. Not to mention a gaggle of nerds fawning over a teenage girl that said she would ** in their mouths. (Not ing kidding) That's just a few and not to mention, they couldn't function as a coherent group in PVP at all. Did not help with my immersion. I really wasn't even bothering to anything but rat while I had the opportunity anit really troubled me, all of it. Lol that almost made me go apply at some random 0.0 alliance corp Gotta love the random **talk on TS. Thankfully the "mute sound" button is never far away if you're not in the mood. I wish I could shut people down that easily in real life. You could almost join Jagged Alliance just for that quality of lols on voice coms, that's some of the best I have ever heard off. Social game? You can actually play eve your entire life without having to text or speak to anybody
Mon Maures Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.13 12:57:00 - [58] Originally by: Nuniki Edited by: Nuniki on 12/06/2011 09:06:26 I wonder how the people who complain about "voices that sound dumb" and "small talk" fare in real life. Is it so torturous to your ears that you cannot join an extension of the social environment which allows for quicker more precise communication? Ok, i get on fine in RL, probably because i'm not forced into inane conversations with idiot teenagers who feel the need to vocalise their every thought or play their music down the mike because it "awwsoome". I agree with the sentiment of the OP - voice is a useful tool in game - but only when necessary and not all the time. Originally by: Nuniki Edited by: Nuniki on 12/06/2011 09:06:26 Maybe you should be friends with people before you're playing a video game together. Not sure what point your making here - we should all be friends before we start to play? Erm....no The fortunes of war, i'll tell you plain, is a wooden leg or a golden chain.
Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.13 12:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran So you play a social game in order to avoid being social? [/quote Whatever gave you the idea this is a social game?


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