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Ace Lonewolf
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:35:00 -
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Immediate offensive change
Amarr
Zealot to Legion gains 1 turret hard point Sacrilege to legion Gains 1 missile hard point
Caldari
Cerberus to Tengu gains 1 missle hard point Eagle to Tengu gains 1 turret hard point
Gallente
Deimos to Proteus gains 1 turret hard point Ishtar to Proteus Looses 25 Mbit/sec bandwidth Looses 125 M3 drone bay space
Minmatar
Muninn to Loki gains 1 turret hard point Vagabond to Loki gains 1 turret hard point
Can you spot the Odd one out?
As a drone oriented pilot I have often found it slightly unfair that the Proteus cant even match the Ishtar for drone dps when every other heavy assault ship is exceeded by its t3 equivalent.
I don't know about other people out there but i would very much like to see the Proteus drone configuration brought into line with the progression from every other heavy assault ship to a t3.
Since a change like giving the Proteus 6 drones in space vs 5 for every other conventional ship is probably not going to happen. I would like to see its ability to field drones increased to at least match that of the Ishtar and with the possible addition of a extra turret hard point to allow it to exceed the dps of the Ishtar.
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:49:00 -
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Why did you chose to compare them to only the Heavy Assault Ships and only offensively?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Why did you chose to compare them to only the Heavy Assault Ships and only offensively?
Because his argument would fall apart otherwise.
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Ace Lonewolf
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:54:00 -
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Because that was the whole point of the post. EWAR, covert and logistics configurations are completely separate things related to different types of ships. ALL tier 3 ships can out tank their respective races heavy assault ships but the Drone Proteus is the only one to fall behind the respective t2 in dps
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.06.12 09:33:00 -
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Sacrilege have 5 launcher hardpoints. The most I see a Legion getting is 5, but with no drones. The Tenguu won't get Cerb range on missiles, and won't get Eagle damage on it's guns... this isn't at all like you paint it.
I just got finished telling someone else off for not helping people, so I hate to say this but I really do think you need to go back to the drawing board with this one. You're talking about building a ship sold on it's flexibility and unique bonuses to try and out DPS the assault ships... it's just apples and oranges, man.
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Ace Lonewolf
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Posted - 2011.06.12 09:47:00 -
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Legion gets 5 launchers from Assault Optimization + 1 from Power core optimization A Tengu gets exactly the same Range/damage bonus as a eagle but with +1 turret hard
The only thing your right about is tengu does not get range bonus from cerb but it gets a rate of fire bonus instead and +1 launcher
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Ace Lonewolf
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Posted - 2011.06.12 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex
I just got finished telling someone else off for not helping people,
This is the ships and modules section of the forum which is for "Share your thoughts on EVEÆs ships, modules and your favorite fittings." these are my thoughts so you can take your self righteous attitude somewhere else
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.06.12 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 12/06/2011 09:55:01 The website I'm using must be wrong. I show a turret not a launcher, added by the other subsystems.
Moot point, still think it's a bad comparison
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Millie Clode
Amarr Insert Cool Name Here
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:51:00 -
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This is exactly what I've been saying.
The ishtar is clearly way overpowered and should be nerfed to bring it into line with other HACs :) ---------- Who, me? |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.12 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Lonewolf Immediate offensive change
Amarr
Zealot to Legion gains 1 turret hard point Sacrilege to legion Gains 1 missile hard point
Caldari
Cerberus to Tengu gains 1 missle hard point Eagle to Tengu gains 1 turret hard point
Gallente
Deimos to Proteus gains 1 turret hard point Ishtar to Proteus Looses 25 Mbit/sec bandwidth Looses 125 M3 drone bay space
Minmatar
Muninn to Loki gains 1 turret hard point Vagabond to Loki gains 1 turret hard point
Can you spot the Odd one out?
As a drone oriented pilot I have often found it slightly unfair that the Proteus cant even match the Ishtar for drone dps when every other heavy assault ship is exceeded by its t3 equivalent.
I don't know about other people out there but i would very much like to see the Proteus drone configuration brought into line with the progression from every other heavy assault ship to a t3.
Since a change like giving the Proteus 6 drones in space vs 5 for every other conventional ship is probably not going to happen. I would like to see its ability to field drones increased to at least match that of the Ishtar and with the possible addition of a extra turret hard point to allow it to exceed the dps of the Ishtar.
A) comparing the legion to the sacri and the zealot B) your post, if any, shows that ships like the caldari HAC lineup and the diemost need a boost, not the other way around.
also, you're comparing a specialized drone ship to a versatile hull. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
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Ace Lonewolf
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Lonewolf on 12/06/2011 12:14:19 A versatile hull configured for drone use and yes i am compared the Amarr T3 to amarr hacs, Minni T3 to minni hacs, caldari t3 to caldari hacs and so on
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Lonewolf Edited by: Ace Lonewolf on 12/06/2011 12:14:19 A versatile hull configured for drone use and yes i am compared the Amarr T3 to amarr hacs, Minni T3 to minni hacs, caldari t3 to caldari hacs and so on
versatile doesn't imply "better". as I said, T3s shows that many HACs need a fix. Comparing the ishtar to the drone proteus and saying "OMFG I WANTS MOAR BW!" is, to be quite honest, daft.
you could ask for a diferent set of bonuses for the drone configs, in a way that it might do the drone thing differently from the ishtar tho. there I might agree. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Skinae
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Lonewolf Immediate offensive change
Amarr
Zealot to Legion gains 1 turret hard point Sacrilege to legion Gains 1 missile hard point GAINS A MASSIVE ARMOR OMNITANK
Caldari
Cerberus to Tengu gains 1 missle hard point Eagle to Tengu gains 1 turret hard point AND GAINS 2000 DPS OMNITANK
Gallente
Deimos to Proteus gains 1 turret hard point Ishtar to Proteus Looses 25 Mbit/sec bandwidth Looses 125 M3 drone bay space AND GAINS 600000 EHP
Minmatar
Muninn to Loki gains 1 turret hard point Vagabond to Loki gains 1 turret hard point AND GAINS 2000 DPS OMNITANK
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Roosterton
The 57th Overlanders
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Posted - 2011.06.12 15:56:00 -
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Show me a realistic 2000 DPS omnitanked Loki. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Hacklespur Harrowhound
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Hacklespur Harrowhound on 12/06/2011 17:26:58 Wait, let me get this straight.
You're saying that specialized cruisers are better at singular things they are designed for than the much more versatile T3 hulls?
Egads!
Nerf everything but the T3s, because they should be kings of everything!
Edit: To clarify; the Legion sucks immensely, but I will still be getting one due to the fact it will fill 4 ship roles at a cost for me. I'd rather have a ship I can customize and pay with some performance, instead of spending more isk on more ships that take longer to train.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Show me a realistic 2000 DPS omnitanked Loki.
yo, thats the effect of low sig radius + afterburner speed bonus on your tank. it just doesn't show up in eft as easily
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Niveon
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:59:00 -
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Because AB armour HACs don't do that either... |
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