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HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 05:58:00 - [1] Originally by: Evelgrivion The mistake that is made by everyone who holds this position is that they don't understand that a PLEX does not create anything; it is subsidized account time. Its value in ISK is tied to how much player game time they're willing to subsidize in exchange for ISK. Money is not generated by PLEX; money is generated by players which goes into the hands of PLEX sellers. No game mechanics are bypassed in this process to create the money; PLEX is a mechanism through which someone can delegate playing the game to somebody else. How is this any different from buying isk online? Some bot had to create that isk too. If it was a hacked account that hacked person also had to earn that isk. I told you all that plex was the start and here is that slippery slope everyone was talking about. I lost the will to play back as plex started..the same time as every profession in eve became a waste of time. I don't want to put all my hard earned money into some game tbh. If I'm forced to in order to compete I also will quit. CCP might not care but you wont be back stabbing me thats for sure. Eve is a niche game and this should be clear to every one. CCP underestimates the value of their loyal player base and I can see this going really bad for them. And I'm not going to sit here and take them to court through the csm or endless discussions on the forums.I will simply stop playing (and paying) and enjoy another game. They know our point of view and they will do as they please one way or the other anyways. Thing is that eve has a very special player base. This game is not action packed...it has no to die for state of the art gfx nor does it have anything else games now a days have. I wasn't able to get any of my friends to play eve..no matter how hard I tried they quit within a month. You have to see eve as the little world it is and love it for that. This will never be a game that competes with others on the market..which is why it lives.It has no competition. At the same time..you wont please any one with eve but the people that fill the niche now. Sell as much cool stuff (rmt) as you want to get the rest of the gaming world in eve online but it will do you no good as they will lose interest looking for that action packed game with state of the art gfx,sound and gameplay. Screw over the players in eve and they better hope wod or dust 514 works out for them.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 08:13:00 - [2] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Tippia I noticed, so I'll ask them again and give you a second change to think it over. Sorry I cannot answer questions about non-existent stuff. If you still believe in Santa or God or "minerals for $" then I have bad news for you kid, they do not exist. I can spend more time on the other things than just arguing with idiot that panic on forum every expansion, predicting the END and then keeps playing over and over again. You can continue your hypocrite predictions but this is not more than dog's barking on caravan. Wow you just got it all figured out don't you? I love to call Tippia hard headed but you know...Tippia don't waste your time on this one. He's "too smart" for this world. Infact..1/10 because you got Tippia mad.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 08:24:00 - [3] Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 14/06/2011 08:26:37 Originally by: Mars Theran Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 14/06/2011 08:08:09 Originally by: Sarmatiko Sorry I cannot answer questions about non-existent stuff. Then you are not qualified to discuss the topic at hand, doubly so since you fail to understand why my questions are not related to non-existent stuff. So, I'll ask them again ù final attempt, and your final chance to understand the issue. Try reading them this time. Do you have any clue how destructive it is to inject minerals into the market out of nowhere? Do you understand why circumventing at least four different professions is a bad thing? Do you understand that the market is the engine that drives this game? Do you understand why it drives the game? Do you understand why artificially injecting minerals out of nowhere ruins this engine? By the way, even if I were asking about non-existent stuff, those kinds of questions are not hard to answer eitherà Minerals are injected into the market out of nowhere everyday; or did you think players actually produced the asteroids? Make all the stuff you want, people will still buy it. The market drives this game? When? I thought it was driven by players pursuing hobbies that included playing EVE, or at least by hampsters running around a mill in a cage. The market isn't an engine, it's a somewhat borked economy, as with all heavily manipulated MMO economies. I'm sure there is a lot you understand about EVE, but the way you go about incessently repeating the same old stuff is absolutely mind boggling. How can you even suggest that nonsense in a game that's crippled by RMT, Bots, and players manipulating markets for personal gain? I agree with you on the bolded part..and I agree with you that the game is "crippled by RMT, Bots, and players manipulating markets for personal gain". But Tippia is right and this doesn't help it any either. Not only that but it's another step in the direction of eve going with microtransactions. I'd rather them work out aother way just so I don't have to lose faith in their word and continue paying for a game that is going in a direction I can and will not follow. Edit: As crippled as it might be..it still works even if it's fragile. We want to keep it that way.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 12:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 14/06/2011 11:19:41 Originally by: DeBingJos You are turning EVE into a pay2win type of game. What? That's already beeing the case since PLEX. Still have to see any proposal or idea that's more "pay to win" than RL Cash --> PLEX --> ISK --> 80 million SP character and hangars full of T2 ships. Whatever has been proposed thus far is peanuts compared to this option that strangly no-one seems to mind at all. You're really a weird and inconsistent bunch! Exactly. Plex may not "inject" new isk into the game but it is put in the game in advance. Yes some one will have to grind for it sooner or later but you still devide eve into two groups.Thos who buy and sell plex..and those who grind for it to pay their game time. The rich and the poor. Not only that but all the isk in the game (in advance) is not much different as isk being injected. This effect will grow with the demand being higher to buy all the up comming new stuff..using plex. It is just like cheating to me and while this scorpion thing might hurt the people making them..plex hurts every profession by giving you another way to get hold of isk..injected,in advance or how ever you look at it. To me it remains a legal way to cheat the game. Plex goes against everything eve stands for..hard work and tears when something is lost.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 12:22:00 - [5] Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 14/06/2011 12:24:48 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: HeIIfire11 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: DeBingJos You are turning EVE into a pay2win type of game. What? That's already beeing the case since PLEX. Still have to see any proposal or idea that's more "pay to win" than RL Cash --> PLEX --> ISK --> 80 million SP character and hangars full of T2 ships. Whatever has been proposed thus far is peanuts compared to this option that strangly no-one seems to mind at all. You're really a weird and inconsistent bunch! Exactly. Plex may not "inject" new isk into the game but it is put in the game in advance. What does it matter if you can buy your success with RL money from other players, CCP, the gouvernement, your mother, God or whatever? Fact is you still buy it with RL money ("pay2win") so you already agree upon it that it should be possible. And a ship is very minor compared to a 60 mil SP character that can actually fly it. I think you misunderstood me..I agree with you 100% and hate the intro of plex. Why grind missions or mine anymore? Let those who can't afford to buy/sell plex for isk do so. Or why skill for 5 years when you can work a few hours irl and buy a char? I'm on your side all the way. Edit: And I did complain about plex..as I'm complaining now because once it's in...it's in the game.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 12:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Khaed Duhn I'd just like to say that pushing through anything like this 'magic ships for money' idea, will leave the kind of salty after taste in my mouth that I last experienced when my Uncle Jimmy came round my house and showed me a 'superspecialsecret' magic trick that he didn't want Papa to know about. ROFL Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: HeIIfire11 I think you misunderstood me..I agree with you 100% and hate the intro of plex. Why grind missions or mine anymore? Let those who can't afford to buy/sell plex for isk do so. Or why skill for 5 years when you can work a few hours irl and buy a char? I'm on your side all the way. Edit: And I did complain about plex..as I'm complaining now because once it's in...it's in the game. Darn I should learn to read a bit better (it was late yesterday and I'm at work atm .. but still ;) .. sorry for that! No worries I figured you misunderstood me.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 13:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts. I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally. The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test. What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship. there is the option of making the ship giving 1 trit if refined, not insurable and not leaving a wreck behind. I think it would be too much to ask for a million work arounds so that we can save eve and have the ship asap. I'm surprised we got an answer and action was taken to delay the ship being introduced..causing bad things to happen to our eve. I'm still worried all in all..but thankful to ccp for listening and acting.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.14 14:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Vile rat Not going to read 14 pages snip Then let someone who will read 14 pages take over the job you can't be bothered to do. My 2 isk.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.15 07:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Rex Liberium So when can I start popping Titans into existence with Aurum?? Why start with a scorpion? If you set the price right you could be raking it in ccp. Also the CSM must resign for their part in this. Instead of saying no, they accepted the unacceptable. Sometimes you should stand up and say no, or quit. Its about taking responsibility. The csm made me laugh with how they responded to the subject and the thread. Now I know why I didn't waste my time voting. Even if they were all for mt they are supposed to represent the players as a whole..and I think it is clear what the players want. People might say "oh that's just the forum trolls". No..it's someones opinion and for every one opinion on the forums there are a lot on the server who share this opinion and don't post in here. You can only be one of two opinions in this case..yes to mt or no to mt. Looking at the % of players against mt on this forum..I estimate 80-90%..it should be clear what the players want.

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