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Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 01:00:00 - [1] This decision is ridiculous, and I feel like a fool that I thought CCP wouldn't add real, game affecting items to EVE for real life money. I can clearly see where this game is going now, and I don't like it at all.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 01:04:00 - [2] Originally by: Speaker4 theDead Are you kidding? $$ == GTC == ISK == SHIPS Etc..... People have been trading real money for isk for years, legally, under CCP's guiding hand. Why would you suddenly be shocked by the next logical step.... Why do people always say this? RMTs, while not something I'm very fond of, do not add anything to the game. MTs do. This is where the problem for me, and many others, lies.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 01:08:00 - [3] Originally by: GeoBlue Wow, I would assume Skill Points for Plex, i.e. CASH will be next. This could get interesting fast. The sky's the limit. I honestly thought it wouldn't come to this, but it turns out I was wrong. There's no stopping CCP with MTs now, and from a business standpoint, I can't blame them as they'll make CCP a ton of money. From a gameplay standpoint, this is enough to make me quit.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 01:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 01:22:00 Originally by: Syphon Lodian You can buy ships with money already. People keep acting like PLEX is sacred, and that Aurum is the first step introducing physical money into EVE. It's not. I don't see this ever becoming an issue. PLEX is a larger issue. There are people that spend hundreds of dollars to maintain their fleets, and to recuperate from losses. Completely negating the point of having a competitive economy in EVE. Even so, it's not much of a problem. People will do what people will do. If not PLEX, they'd just buy from farmers. PLEXes add nothing to the game. MTs do. Originally by: Syphon Lodian Also, isn't "Aurum" being introduced because it wouldn't make sense to use ISK to buy clothing and accessories, and paintjobs, because Interstellar Kredits are phenomenally valuable, so much that a planet-plebe cannot hope to gain even 1 ISK in their entire lifetimes? So there is Aurum, some sort of superficial side-credits. Kind of useful scapegoat though, but it fits within the lore, sort of. Correct me if I'm wrong. Don't kid yourself. Aurum is being introduced because MTs are the way to go if you want to make money with video games now (sadly). Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Originally by: GeoBlue Wow, I would assume Skill Points for Plex, i.e. CASH will be next. This could get interesting fast. Hello. We already have skill points for cash. Simply buy some PLEX with cash, sell the PLEX for ISK, then buy a few +5 implants. One adds skillpoints through in-game methods. Even buying a PLEX to get ISK for implants uses in-game mechanics because the ISK used for the PLEX came from someone who made it legitimately in the game. It wasn't spawned into existence because you bribed CCP.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 03:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 03:04:15 Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab CCP needs to provide a detailed and believable timetable for when the store will be fixed so as to allow the proper consumption of scorpion hull, and a promise that this will be a priority issue. We've sunk so low that now fixing the MT shop is a "priority issue". I seriously want to know how EVE got to this point.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 03:54:00 - [6] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Machete Visor Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem The problem is that without that Scorp trade-in requirement, the shop is spawning player-made equipment and material out of thin air. again thought keep in mind even if it only cost isk for this new item, and real money wasn't involved at all. it would generate just as much rage. It has no place i eve. it has nothing to do with it being a MT item. That's not true. I don't think most people care about vanity items. It's the fact that the MT shop is spawning game affecting items that people care about.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 03:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nullity That's not true. I don't think most people care about vanity items. It's the fact that the MT shop is spawning game affecting items that people care about. Well, perhaps. But MotherMoon is quite correct: the actual damage done would be just as large regardless of the currency ù virtual or not ù used to spawn those ships out of nowhere. Oh, I misread his/her post. That is partially true that if it just used ISK to magically generate the Scorpion, it'd still produce rage.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 10:11:44 Originally by: Aquana Abyss I'd just like to add what a crap bunch of CSM we have to actually take it upon themselves to "ok" this for CCP when in fact it is completely not ok. Stupid, dumb fuxx should resign. In their defense, what are they supposed to do? If CCP wants to do something, they're going to do it no matter what. CCP has clearly been wanting to implement MTs for quite a while now. Everyone who finds MTs distasteful is fighting a losing battle. Our only option is to find another MMO that captures the brilliance that EVE once had. It's almost poetic since, if I'm not mistaken, EVE itself was partly inspired by the early days of Ultima Online, before UO was made more mass market friendly.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Tsubutai If this really is a consequence of the cash shop system being incomplete, hold off on releasing it until it's finished. As, Di Mulle said, they're either lying or grossly incompetent. Originally by: Aquana Abyss And on this issue I'm sure it is a majority not just a minority who will be angry about CCP magicing up spaceships for cash. I'm completely against MTs, but I'd bet a majority of people don't care. We're in a new age of the video game industry. Developers now let players essentially cheat in games in exchange for some cash. It's tacky, and sleazy, but it's clear that consumers approve of it.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Kharmino CCP WTF?!?!?!?! Don't act too surprised. The writing for this has been on the wall for a while.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 10:49:10 CCP Zinfandel, the playerbase can wait on the new ship skin. We're in no hurry to get it (this is especially true when you consider the stuff we actually are in a hurry to get). The only ones who seem to be in a hurry to get it into the game are the people are CCP. Do us a favor and do not release it until you can make it a proper vanity item.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 10:51:53 Originally by: voiddragon Originally by: Tippia Originally by: CCP Zinfandel But in this case this is not likely to hurt the EVE economy because initially people will only buy these ships as a collectible and for fun. This will not affect their purchase of Scorpions for actual fleet warfare. They will still buy as many Scorps - this would just be on extra out of their bling money. That's an interesting assumption. How much will it cost? Can it be reprocessed? Will it leave a wreck? And, perhapse more interestingly, what's the rush? Is it so hard to understand that it's a normal ship with a different texture? xD It'll reprocess, get blown up, etc the same amount as a normal scorpion. I actually wonder why there is so much hate for this at the moment since people have petitioned making customisable ship skins for years and now that they're introducing a system that will allow it, you over-react and use mis-information to boycott it. It's a normal ship that will be spawned into the game by out-of-game forces. This is completely against the core principles of the game. Not even WOW has a feature like this as their MTs are all vanity (as far as I know). Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: CCP Zinfandel So I presented our dilemma to them. So the dilemma is that you would have to wait 3 more months to get returns from that feature? Hell no, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. My condolences, man. Seriously. Between a rock and a hard place like WOW. Yes. I too would like to give my condolences to CCP who is working tirelessly to get our money in new and exciting ways.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Serpents smile Very simple. No forum rage either. What's 3 months if you want to do something PROPERLY It's less time to make money from something that will surely make CCP loads. The only cost is the integrity of their flagship product.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 10:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Hyperforce99 As long as its just basically paying $ for a paintjob there is no impact on the actual game. And is selling a ship bought with PLEX for ISK any different then selling PLEX for ISK. (*differences in value not withstanding) It's not cash for a paintjob. It's cash for a ship that is magically spawned.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 11:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Nullity on 14/06/2011 11:01:40 Originally by: Evelgrivion Frankly, I would rather wait the three months. There is no rush among us to acquire these shiny scorpions, and I'd much rather see that there's not even the possibility of risk to the game economy. So the most wanted feature in EVE is not new skins for ships that cost money? Then, my word! CCP must be doing this solely for a quick buck, and not to satisfy their customer's requests. Originally by: Normal citizen Well, these ship will be available through isk, however, I think it's stupid to require aurum to begin with. If these ships are just reskins then I'd rather have them as isk sinks. or maybe being isk sinks/aurum sinks. It'd be a great ISK sink, but it'll never happen. Aurum is too profitable.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 11:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Jin Endashi Edited by: Jin Endashi on 14/06/2011 11:04:31 Now forgive me for not reading through to the last page (got to page 6 before i had to respond.) If the problem is making minerals appear out of thin air for $$$, then the solution is VERY simple. Just make it so you cant reprocess it. You buy it, and you've got it, unless you trash it (lol), it goes pop, or you sell it. end of story. That doesn't solve the problem as the root of the problem is that someone pays CCP real cash to magically spawn a Scorpion for them. This bypasses all normal game mechanics.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 11:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Jin Endashi Originally by: Nullity That doesn't solve the problem as the root of the problem is that someone pays CCP real cash to magically spawn a Scorpion for them. This bypasses all normal game mechanics. What do you think happens when someone buys a plex? It doesn't bypass the mechanics of the game. When someone purchases a PLEX, they engage in real money trading (RMT). CCP, in exchange for real money, spawns the person a PLEX item, which is essentially a promise that CCP will give whoever redeems it 30 days of game time. The ISK people use to purchase PLEXes, however, was all obtained through normal in game means.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 11:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Maverick2011 Well, theres always the new Star Wars MMORPG coming up in case CCP decided to make EVE a Pay to Win game. That game is going to be no better. There are no other games like EVE on the market, and there won't be for a long time.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.14 11:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Takseen Well this has certainly gotten people very excited. Me, I'm just waiting for the tinfoil hat forum threads to pop up, where they think the Ishukone Scorpion has a hidden increased jamming %. I say wait nine to twelve months and we'll begin to see improved upon ships in the MT shop.

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