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Vandrion Gallente The Collective	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:35:00 - [1] Linkage It goes deeper then just a painted scorp.......... That is the thread I posted in the Assembly Hall section of our forum. Take some time to read all the posts not just the first one.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:40:00 - [2] If you don't want MT keep bumping the Official Feedback thread that has suddenly become a non-sticky. Keep it at the top! Give Me Monacles or Give Me Death Official Feedback Thread Matter of fact hit this one too: Say no to Micro-Transactions
Vandrion Gallente The Collective	Posted - 2011.06.14 00:07:00 - [3] Here is a part of one of my posts in this thread RL $$$$$ Altering Our Game.... Coming soon My thread mirrors a lot of what is being said here. Pop in and post how you feel. Keep the topic in front of the CSM. MT even vanity items are immersion breaking. The same can be said of selling modules in the MT store. You are removing the players and their connection to the game. Selling items in the MT store only is very immersion breaking in this regard. A player wasn't involved in the following: Training the skills to build the item Gathering the material to build the item Building the item Hauling the item to market Selling the item on the market Absolutely no inclusion for the player. Removing player inclusion in the process also removes the players ownership and sense of accomplishment in the results. Eve isn't about having an easy button. Eve is about reaping the rewards of your effort.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective	Posted - 2011.06.14 03:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Machete Visor Can you buy aurum (whatever) for isk? If so, I dont see the problem Mine, sell, buy aurum, buy new scorp No different than all the transactions in this game - aurum is just an intermediary commodity If you can only get aurum by $$ - well, yeah, that is a bad move I guess some purists would say eve should be able to function at 100% even if no one bought another plex. Even in ny first example, this ship skin concept would violate that rule You can only get Aurum from cashing in Plex. Plex comes from a GTC GTC comes from RL $$$$$$ You can buy the plex off the market with the ISK you mined for.You can cash that Plex in for Aurum. You can use that Aurum to purchase the MT item. The problem is that the process of making the ISK is bypassed completely by grabbing Daddy's Visa and buying GTC for Aurum. The other problem is that MT of any type excludes the player from the actual steps involved with creating said item. In essence someone is using daddy's Visa to spawn in game items with no effort and no creation process. This doesn't immerse a player into the Eve world it executes the Eve world.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective	Posted - 2011.06.14 03:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Vandrion on 14/06/2011 03:37:02 I am cross posting this from my Assembly Hall thread. One of the CSM has replied twice. Give the thread a good read. It is worth your time and directly ties into alot of concerns expressed in this thread. It also exposes a different side of the MT issue involving Dust and it's impact on the Eve universe. I would love to hear what the CSM has to say about the MT issue especially considering the quotes and links I will provide below. CSM--- Look at all the threads regarding MT. Look at the 52 page threadnaught in response to the Dev Blog on MT. Look at the thread in this forum where almost 80% of the responders don't want MT at all. The Eve community needs you to be our voice. I qoute CCP Shadow from the PS3 blog on Dust514: "Hi Vorlord. DUST 514 wonÆt have a monthly subscription like a number of MMOs. DUST 514 will have virtual goods sales though, that allow you to buy various types of gear used in combat." "Hey Shoryukenll, YouÆve asked a few things I canÆt delve too deeply into, but what I can comment on is what you said about virtual items and real money. DUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency." Hmmmmm........ DUST514 is supposed to be tied into OUR Eve universe so now $$$$ for game changing items is one step closer...... http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/ Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site: "DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace." So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players. CCP also clearly states that AUR is purchased with RL money........ There should be absolutely ZERO arguments that AUR comes from anything other then RL cash money...... Monacles today. Game altering gear tomorrow!!!!! http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980 "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released? Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line." Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514 So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare. This is why a lot of us don't want MT of any form in Eve. Our concerns do not matter as CCP has already planned the future and it is RL cash transactions to buy an advantage........ *** Linkage for the threadnoughts MT Dev Thread MT Vote Thread ****
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:11:00 - [6] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts. I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally. The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test. What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship. Bolded, underlined and Italicized the important bit here... Am I just going insane or did we not hear during the Alliance Tourney Day 2 coverage when they showed the ship that it would be rolled out this summer as a straight up Aurum for item trade and not be changed to a scorp + Aurum for a Ishukone scorp until late fall???????? Maybe I need to switch brands of crack but instead I call BS on the one week statement. You never had the intention of testing it for a week... Double speak to cover the tracks! Atleast be honest and admit a mistake and move on.... Now on the other end-- Why the heck is Dust going to impact Eve sov mechanics??? Dust will allow $$$ for items/advantages that will impact how Eve is played... Not good..... RL $$$ alter our game
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 01:40:11 Originally by: Mike TheMiner Players have always been able to buy ships for $ via Plex, and before that GTC. See if you can spot the difference between the following statements: Players can acquire ships by trading a PLEX with another player for ISK, and then trading that ISK with another player for a ship. Players can acquire ships by converting PLEX into AUR and converting AUR into a ship. It is the difference between those two that is the problem hereà The world is coming to an END. Tippia and I are starting to see eye to eye... This is scary.... To elaborate on Tippia's point--- Isk doesn't create itself. A player generates the isk through time and effort at some point. Even if you sold a Plex for Isk some player somewhere else had to earn that Isk. This is one of the missing components in MT period not just the Ishukone Scorp. Any time you can flat out circumvent the in game economy with a Visa there is a problem.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Mr Kidd Originally by: Ranger 1 Actually I'm pretty happy with the current state of most things, although I won't deny there is a long list of things to be revisited (a list growing steadily shorter, by the way). Since we have no details on where you would have been able to purchase/pick up these ships your point is pretty much based on assumption. Not to mention the fact that it looks like it won't happen at all now. In short, the rage needs to burn itself out now. Just say No to the 'test'. POS corp hangers......that's all I have to say....still waiting for that finished product. I think the "Just say NO" part has been done quite thoroughly, and gotten the desired result. I apologize for getting a bit short with people on matters like this. I get irritated when people over react (not directing this at you). This community has a really bad habit of taking a mildly controversial decision and instead of maturely saying "Hey wait, I have a concern", they launch into a firestorm of over reaction, rudeness, and false accusation. Believe it or not, it's not necessary and only serves to **** other people off to no good result. Rage on both sides ensues and often any rational point being made is lost in the sewage. Then again, welcome to the internet I suppose. Ranger-- There are those of us that get irritated when people fail to react or don't see the larger picture. I posted a link to this thread in the Science and Indy forums to make sure people know what is happening. I did that very early in this threads history. People need to know what is happening right under their noses. Ever since CCP created the Official Feedback threads they have virtually stopped repling to the "Hey wait, I have a concern" posts. After the first few hours of a post they let whatever happens in the thread happen. Little if any replies. Then they remove the sticky and the thread slowly slides off the front page into forum purgatory. What is even more concerning is that while all the legitimate concerns (whether you agree with them or not) are left unanswered the Devs can been seen posting in threads about Sax (yes it was spelled this way) in stations and about how their very own PS3 is on the way. This is why alot of the most vocal people on the forums often yell the loudest. They have been ignored the most. By all means---Continue to create the firestorms. It worked!

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