So I'm going to go with: the CSM is valuable.

the CSM is valuable.

STV and the variations suggested are utterly terrible. The fact that the CSM is so concerned about this (basically just morphing the system to something that benefits themselves more) instead of actual game related issues is sickening.

Keep the current voting. There honestly aren't any problems with it.

STV and the variations suggested are utterly terrible. The fact that the CSM is so concerned about this (basically just morphing the system to something that benefits themselves more) instead of actual game related issues is sickening.

Keep the current voting. There honestly aren't any problems with it.

Is this still a thing, or did we get to the end of the semester for our "Principles Of Democracy Class?" I'll be disappointed in humanity if we elect (See what I did there?) to reinvent the wheel. I got news for you stuff like this sticks out like a bandwagon with square wheels, I can see you bumping down the road a mile away. It doesn't look good and the band playing will be damned if they can play the song you want hear. Considering that you will always have people not voting or voting in groups no system magically fixes anything or has 100% voter turn out. Well dictatorships are great at having 100% voter turnout but its easy when only one person has the vote. Here we have thousands of potential voters, who all have the vote, but if they elect (Yeah twice isn't running it into the ground.) to not be involved tough teats.

But to end this like the narrator from H.G. Wells War Of The Worlds with a slight paraphrasing:

"In the end it was guns or bombs that killed the bad election rigging proposal, but the rarest of God's creatures: Common Sense."

It's come up a few times, new guy, but the problem with that system is there's no way to tell who a miner actually is, or who anyone is for that matter. It'd be easy to game the system by flooding each category with someone claiming to be that person..

I understand it could be abused, someone like ricdic could say he repersents explorers just to win the vote, because it would be easier to run against 5 explorers vs 15 militaries.. But if i was given a list of 100 guys today i wouldnt be able to tell x from z..

But if my main concern is business, and now my candidate list is reduced to ten people at least i can hope this person will "look after me." No matter which of the ten i pick, i "got my vote/say" and i'll get a candidate in the end who repersents my interests...

As for voting for people of continents/countries geographic locations, seems silly to me even if a russian or Chinese pretended to be canadian i wouldnt want to vote for them just because they "live here," and ccp wants your passport so it would be hard to lie about your location...

I think you misunderstood me here - when I said "live" I meant, where the player lives within Eve. Like for example, a highsec dweller, a lowsec dweller, null dweller, wormhole dweller, etc. Sorry if that wasn't clearer :) I mentioned it as well as it comes up with the same frequency as the above idea yet has the same problems.

Caveat: As long as they're not complete muppets who can't tell CCP "no" or "you're being quite ******** now" when it is required, and of course as long as CCP doesn't do yet another "hurr let's pull an incarna without talking to the CSM" thing.

No it doesn't

Vote me for your Null sec representative.

Sorry couldn't resist

Will do! Also PS Vote James 315 as your miner's candidate. Do you know how much time he and his group spend in ice fields?

Future candidates should have a posting history on these official forums. This way we avoid totally inactive, non-community representatives from power blocks getting elected.

Yes, ~GD~ is what it is etc, but these forums are the formal means of being in touch with the player base, which in the end is what the CSM is all about.

Some current CSM members have shown excellent participation in discussions after getting elected, while those who didn't do it before, haven't done it after either.

Future candidates should have a posting history on these official forums. This way we avoid totally inactive, non-community representatives from power blocks getting elected.

Yes, ~GD~ is what it is etc, but these forums are the formal means of being in touch with the player base, which in the end is what the CSM is all about.

Some current CSM members have shown excellent participation in discussions after getting elected, while those who didn't do it before, haven't done it after either.

God damn son, over 20 mil characters :D

Setting a hard minimum limit might be a bit problematic, and post quality matters as well- having <20 posts in character bazaar, or 10000 "you mad bro" trolls hardly counts as community participation.

I'd instead try to formalize the requirement in the vein of "Has actively participated in constructive discussions on the official forums during his player career" and make glancing over post history part of the background check performed by CCP.

Bottom line would be - there has to be some hard proof that the individual has actually shown some interest in the community and development of this game before running for CSM.

2000 posts as a baseline. You do realize that means of this current elected CSM, only Mittens and Seleene would have even been able to run, right? Even right now the only other one with over 2k posts is Hans, and that's just barely (2038). Even people as prolific as Alekseyev and Two Step are below that number, despite both having accounts for years.

It's almost as if you pulled numbers completely out of your ass without even taking a scant few seconds to think about what kind of post totals would represent any kind of average. I know, again, right?!

Or have you considered I might believe that the current and previous CSMs have not engaged the community as a whole properly.

I have, though under the umbrella of "I wonder what kind of dumb **** he's going to reply with".

You do realize there's more value to a CSM member than how often they post on a forum, right?

No, it's a universally terrible idea. You want to exclude truly valuable people because they don't meet some phantom post count that you made up, and your reasoning is that this CSM sucks at communicating with players therefore post counts should matter (nevermind that the CSM you have a problem with is chaired by the guy with far and away the most posts - and given his Eve-Search ranking of #58 overall, it's safe to say his post counts aren't exactly average).