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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:13:00 -
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Um, am I just being stupid or does CCP want to charge a royalty* to developers to make things like EVEHQ, EFT, EVEMon, etc?
Cause I have to say that would be really stupid.
*license is just a fancy way of saying "royalty"
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Now if they mean Developers can now charge money for us to use their product...um...that's still stupid *points to Blizzard's stance*
In closing, it's sad when you see Bob Kotick as a better person than <insert other entity>.
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:33:00 -
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I guess my biggest question is:
How "stupid" are you people that attend Fanfest? I ask this because of this part:
 Quote:
At this year's Fanfest CCP hosted the first Dev Track in what we hope will be a regular event. To kick off the event I gave an exciting announcement about monetization
So...were you all to drunk to call CCP out then?
I mean, I wasn't there, but it sounds like it wasn't openly opposed...boo-ing, shouting, maybe some stuff thrown (like plastic cups; nothing deadly) at the Dev Booth.
I love the Internet..."Ball-less Wonders" in 'Real Life'; Heroes 'Online'. <-ya, that's right, I'm ****ed. You attendees didn't protest this; if you did....YOU FAILED 'PROTESTING 101'.
...lol...charging money for what you once provided free (API).
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xailia
I agree with the money part, MT is pointless. In this case the $99 doesn't even get them anything, so that isn't really about the money.
'cept a whole lotta Hate; CCP would make an awesome tank.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:59:00 -
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Quote:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=901
"The first time Dan from accounting was invited to a Dev Meeting."
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:12:00 -
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Maybe the group that though up "Real ID + Forum = AWESOME" got hired up by CCP???
Also...
Originally by: Mechanoid Kryten
Originally by: Dyner
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I was there. I assure you it was all about an unspecified fee to allow capsuleer to exist despite iphone app store charg3e breaking eula. They took that good idea and extended it to every 3rd party app even that is solicing voluntary donations. Believe me I had no idea it can get so ugly from adding an option to iphone devs to taking away my coding instead of mining gaming style. And here I was worries all this time th ey would break mining to make it more like wow where u can't afk to code ...and they broke coding instead.
Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1528607&page=35#1030
Ya know, if this whole thing is the result of the Apple App Market...I've found (yet another) reason to call Apple a 'PIECE OF ****'.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: LightMeUpJohnny
And CCP wonder why they've been getting DDoS attacks.
If that's the reason....what a freaking waste of time.
Better Option:
Boycott EVE Online for 3months AFTER your sub runs out. Guarantee you they'll do what every the community wants then....$15 a month of which ~$9 go to expenses; imagine how fast those expenses would pill up just for 3months of no income. 
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Thank god, an addendum:
- Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license
Define 'non-commerical' (rhetorical). It's basically 'not-for-profit'...um...who here (devs) want to submit CERTIFIED (aka Accountant Signed) financial spreadsheets that prove you didn't make a god damn dime off your app? I do 'limited' grant requests and the forms always want to know the money trail. Where it's going, who's getting it, and most importantly WHAT WILL YOU DO IF YOU MADE MORE THAN YOU SPENT.
PS: Take a guess at how many apps will be 'commercial' with that above clause  (between -0 and 0 would be my guess); I know I sure wouldn't claim to be commercial-anything if it would cost me $99/month,year,...century
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arista Shahni
If it's to catch 99c iPod apps, sure.
Pretty sure...a court-ordered demand to see the account info of said uploader to the Apple Store would fix that. After all, if Apple refused they would be assisting in illegal activity.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.17 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: TheCatholic
(stuff) I don't think I need to remind folks that approximately 400,000 ISK is equivalent to $15. (more stuff)
 WTB 400k PLEX!!!!
(you're off by a factor of 100 there mate.)
Um..Gulfonodi system has 'em for as low as 396k isk...where the hell you buyin? :P
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Raziel Saston
Well done CCP
For a company i always thought highly of for customer relations, now the company has lost it's shine.
Really dissapointing.
It's been losing it's shine...this is just another scratch on the paint job...doubt this one will buff out though
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Libin Herobi
Originally by: CCP Zulu
The core purpose is simply to have control our IP and brand and have a contract in place so we can have some form of regulation on apps and services that use the EVE name and EVE resources (API).
Does it imply that not everyone will be allowed to get a license?
Will developers have to apply for a license and go through some assessment process? Or is it even per application?
Do you (need to) get the license before you start creating an application or only before distributing it?
What kind of control do you want to exercise and how does charging a license fee allow you to do that?
Think Apple and their ****assed Market.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz
However, it looks like you're thinking things through.
Ya, that's just damage control talk. Blizzard said the same thing [going back to the drawing board] when they tried to push the Real ID use on the forums.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: darmwand
Learn to read. This is about non-commercial software and websites.
Don't bother; some one will always been in favor of bad ideas...hell in America there's tards that are FOR the removal of the First Amendment (aka freedom of speech).
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Riyal
I have to feel sorry for the 3rd party developers, they make playing eve a much more enjoyable experience.
If i wanted to manufacture something in game (and not lose isk) the first thing i'd do is minimize the game and load up a spreadsheet. Another good example is trying to figure out a ship fit without using a 3rd party fitting program.
Many aspects of eve are barely playable without the aid of 3rd party tools.
This seems like such a misguided direction for CCP.
ROFL, ya like my maelstrom had something like 400dps because I was using T2 ammo and not Republic Fleet Plasma rounds (~732dps). If it wasn't for places like Battleclinic and EVEHQ I might as well be flying a Reaper .
Oh and I'd still be training some of the skills to fly that maelstrom because my attribute distribution was 'evenly' spread from way back in '06 when I started and had no freakin clue what to max/min. Thanks again EVEHQ!
OR, the many times before EVEMON that my character sat with NO TRAINING because I didn't religiously login to check in on the game.
And Today with Aura (android app). I'd still have times where I didn't have anything training.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.06.18 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Adrie Atticus
In any other case, charging for the usage of their IP is preposterous and uncalled for in the current form.
Technically, they already are; Subscription Fee. And that's as far as it should go.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
How?
Simple. Just read this newest devblog.
With a timing that really tells you how they rationalized that, they ask us to rewrite a piece of the API fetching mechanism of our apps. With 3 days of notice.
Because hey, we have to pay $99 for the work we do AND HTFU and hurry up, no?
Don't know why the developers would even bother to re-write. This sort of 'idea' (Monetizing Everything) is like cancer. Once you are 'cured' there's still a high probability it'll come back.
How will this come back? Easy.....$5 to generate a Full API/$1 for limited. So the developers won't be the ones getting charged...the subscribers will. Blizzard did something like this with the "Play with Real ID Friends" subscription.
In case 'you [all]' don't get it CCP (and Blizzard) both just want to increase the subscription fee without actually increasing it; aka Premium Services!
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.18 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Relaxedtrader
If you wish to tax certain 3rd party applications, such as gambling sites, or sites where isk profit is made as a result of entertainment value provided, that would be acceptable in my view.
So...instead of killing the apps you kill the contests and events?
EVE Radio's contest come to mind; I may not enter them but it's still fun to watch.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.19 16:02:00 -
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CCP still cowering in their castle as the angry mob pounds at the portcullis?
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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Dyner
Minmatar
Midgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Googoo
Again... ISK ≠ Real world currency. Therefore, CCP shouldn't charge people real world currency for ISK obtained from creating apps or any other in-game services.
Not to mention it'd double dipping on the Plex
->~$15 To buy the PLEX
-> $99 to who ever exchanged service for that PLEX
Total PLEX price: $23.25 (15 + 8.25) [$99/12month = 8.25 per month]
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
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Dyner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dyner on 21/06/2011 15:47:29
Originally by: Roan Pico
I can already smell a range of ccp-made tools, formerly provided by players and free to use - then payable by that aurum thingy...
And you'll quickly see that "stable player base" dry up. No way in Hell will I pay for something that was FREE and I bet most of the players share that sentiment.
EDIT:
Just realized this topic will probably be locked soon; so spread the word in-game and on fansites.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
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