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Gnulpie
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:01:00 -
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The really bad thing is that you need to pay $99 even if you do not earn a single cent! It is enough that someone gives you in-game money and you have to pay $99 per year?
Huuuu??!
That must be some sort of joke, right? |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:25:00 -
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Just some thought occured to me:
What if SOMEONE ELSE advertises your website and earns money due to this? Do you still need to pay the $99 even if your website is free and only the other one earns money from it? |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:40:00 -
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I am very disappointed by the Dev reply.
Hate thread? Hello?? Those are the guys who made EVE what it is today, they formed the community, they brought more people to EVE (and kept them there) than all the CCP marketing campaigns together. Where would EVE be without Eve-files, EFT, Evemon, ISK Guide, Forums, all those people who care?! And you call them Haters???
WTF
That being said...
Why can't CCP keep donation and ad-driven sites free from a commercial license and give them the free license? (The whole free license stuff is anyway really an idiotic idea, it is like forcing Picasso to have a membership in the local artisan union before he is allowed to paint, it kills totally the spirit and dedication)
What is the point in forcing donation and ad-driven sites to buy a $100 license? I just don't get it.
I can even not understand that CCP wants a commercial license at all! What is the point in that??
The more people some app are using, THE BETTER IT IS FOR CCP!
If that app costs money, to hell, why not?! What damage is done to CCP by this? No damage at all! They PROFIT from this, the more professional apps we have, the better it is, the better the community thrives.
CCP - give EVERYONE a free license. You don't have additional costs, you don't have problems, you just have a big fat happy playerbase!
And CCP said it itself, the license fees won't cover anything, maybe just the costs of the licence fee program itself. My advise: GET RID OF IT!
Give everyone a free license
CCP has no loss, the player have no loss. Only win here. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:58:00 -
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Can I have also some of the stuff you folks are smoking?
Must be really good sh't.
Chasing away your most loyal and valuable resources. That is just so ******ed that it is funny again, lol.
You don't lose a single penny if some folks are earning a few bucks with some EVE-Apps. Instead you get extra free advertisement.
FREE LICENSE FOR EVERYONE! |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:36:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Atlas
3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet.
Then why charge anything at all?
You would save you a lot of trouble if you just give out free commercial and non-commercial licenses.
If it is not money you gain there, then what else is it you so desperately want? RL names? What for? You won't catch the real criminals anyway, or do you really think they are going to apply for a license?! |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.16 07:23:00 -
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So you want to enforce something that GAINS YOU NOTHING but COSTS YOU HUGELY?
Uhm ... who came up with that idea? Who pulled it through?
Man, jeez, how can anyone really be that stupid? Only people who give nothing about the community and their players at all, yeah right, hate thread my ***.
And then CCP people make a huge fuzz at Fanfest etc. and say that CCP and EVE would be nothing without their players and how thankful they are etc.
You know what is worse than incompetence? Incredibility.
CCP, you are tumbling down really fast. I hope it is not too late for an emergency break to reconsider the basic attitude of some departments. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: amarri victari
oh and one more thing - this train of thought on RMT and suing people....
Even the big multi-billion companies with all their lobbyists and law-enforcement power cannot shut down the black market sites.
And CCP thinks that THEY can do anything about the little black market sites of EVE with the help of licenses?
And for the rest? Yeah, greaaaaaaaat idea to support the community and make it more vibrant by enforcing them to buy a $99 licence so that they are allowed to improve EVE, making it a better place for CCP.
This is just unbelievable. And don't come me with "it is just a draft". Even as draft it is completely idiotic. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Moron78
And then to the professional bit. ôDonation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope.ö I am sorry, this isnÆt difficult. There is nothing wrong in requiring everyone to have a license, one being free and another being charged for. Writing the terms of the license so that a site may provide means of donating to it and still remain within the free license is easy. And while requiring a little more drafting its not much more difficult to regulate sites with ads and even, if desirable, differentiating between these. Saying otherwise is either a purposeful attempt at obscuring, or a result of having obtained bad legal advice.
It is just nonsense, the costs for professional legal advise plus implementation and the possible income from commercial licenses it completely out of balance. The costs can never be covered.
The only reasonable way to do it is to give EVERYONE A FREE LICENSE!
What is the problem with CCP if someone writes a professional app and earns some money with it? It is free promotion for them! Because a professional app-writer wants to promote his app and therefore EVE. Marketing 101.  |
Gnulpie
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Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:51:00 -
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Why a license anyway?
Is maintaining the API so expensive or what? Do you need money to cover the costs for the API?
Well, then demand money for the use of the API! Offer a free limited API access and a premium extended API access. x AUR per month for the premium API to cover your costs.
The whole license project is just plain stupid. It generates only costs, makes everyone unhappy and brings no benefits at all. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu
I have to say Iæm impressed and greatful for the amount of passion shown in this thread.
As always, your feedback is not only welcomed but in fact essential to us. Thank you.
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
CCP Zulu = best Zulu
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.17 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
So what stops people from paying $99 and charging real money for an app that give you isk? Or make it trickier, an app that give you XXX isk when you get killed.
To me this sounds like CCP is opening their doors for RMT
Charging $$$ (or plex) for in-game service is not allowed. Not now, not with the commercial license.
But yes, there are tricky cases and they all need to be covered.
That is exactly why CCP was so strict in their first version, they overshot their goal by far and hit all the wrong people, they just wanted to be sure to not allow RMT.
The more bordercases you allow, the tricker it gets.
It is difficult to root out the bad cases but not hitting the small, innocent guy.
This is our chance!
LET'S MAKE SUGGESTIONS HOW TO DO IT BETTER!
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