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George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
Needs quoting for clarity so even CCP gets it.
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Artificial Soldier
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:49:00 -
[182]
so, first thought....I'm just going to go write WoW addons from now on. At least that won't end up costing me if someone felt inclined to send me some in-game currency :P
At any rate, between this and what little I've read on the Scorpion for Aurum (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1526442&page=1#7), it just seems the game is moving further and further away from what attracted me to it. Right as we are finally getting Ambulation/WiS/Incarna/<whatever> too... |
Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:49:00 -
[183]
dont worry guys,
what you do is you create private free service using API behind a password
and then link to it from your paid add/donation supported aliance site
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ibn Faldan I want to hear some real stories from real people who will really be left out in the cold by this, not those who have a philosophical disagreement with this.
Remember it's not just $99 for "new" apps it's $99 for apps/services that accept any sort of payment, including ISK. If you get paid 0.10 ISK for anything 3rd party that uses API in some way... You got to pay $99..
If I have an Application or Service it uses API for whatever reason, I must not only take down all the "Donations welcome" things, I can't legally accept anyone sending me ISK just to keep developing it.
I have to develop it free, and return all ISK given to me in order to maintain my non-commercial license. No ads, No ISK, No Paypal donations, 100% free with zero in-game or out of game compensation for my time and effort.
Considering ISK is an In-game asset, which we all know everything in game is owned by CCP, this requirement to pay CCP $99 in order to get ISK is nothing short of the biggest rectal fornication I've seen from CCP in a while.
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Lord Agger
Gallente Humanum Erectum
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:52:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Lord Agger on 15/06/2011 18:52:24 Reading thru the comments two things springs to my mind..
1. Not a single reply from CCP have been made, have all the employees been silenced on this topic.
2. Being a dane (And proud of it), we have a saying thats clearly summs up this entire topic..
DET' EN OMMER For those who do not understand danish, the short translation would be a loud shout 'Thats a re-do'
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Judy BigShot
Big Shot - For the Bounty Hunters
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:52:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Akita T
Ad revenue and ISK payments should really, really NOT require a 99$/year license. Everything else, sure, why not. But not those two.
+1
I wanted to code a nice 3rd Party Bounty Hunter System, which CCP didnt do for years. My plan was to have a little ISK-fee for this service, so I can pay my accounts with GTC. I have to pay for the website and server (about 30$ a year) - now CCP wants to charge me additional 99$???? WTF?!?
Big Shot - For the Bounty Hunters! http://eve-bigshot.com |
Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:52:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Ibn Faldan
Originally by: Akita T
Ad revenue and ISK payments should really, really NOT require a 99$/year license. Everything else, sure, why not. But not those two.
+1
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Duvida
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:52:00 -
[188]
Just occurred to me, just how much free advertising all those developers of 3rd party apps have been giving EVE. In addition to keeping subscribers onboard by providing tools that make EVE more enjoyable.
Shutting down the free work provided by these developers also shuts down the free advertising that their sites provide for EVE. I don't think you'll get $99 from developers that are trying to cover their server and bandwidth fees by providing a 'donate here' link. I think you'll lose a good percentage of your subscriber base as well as not having newcomers to replace them, due to the loss of advertising. Learning... |
Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:53:00 -
[189]
Talk about a punch in the ****. ____________________________________________
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Ibn Faldan
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:53:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Rasz Lin dont worry guys,
what you do is you create private free service using API behind a password
and then link to it from your paid add/donation supported aliance site
Clever. :D
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George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:55:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Chribba ok seriously, I've like Ctrl+A, backspace this post 5 times now, tbh I'm out of words.
I would like to know how many 3rd party developer/sites are doing it for the ****ing awesome income it generates?! Seriously, this if anything WILL kill development of sites and services.
As a creator of sites/applications/services for New Eden since well over 6 years now, I can tell you that I have never once created something with the goal to make money off it, this whole thing about needing a license to make something for the community is just ****ing ******ed! Just hearing this makes my interest/will for developing things crash.
This is not about the $99, this is about how you want to charge me because I want to do something for the community out of my free will - does that sense? Do you feel I am stealing your IP, making massive amounts of money off your IP? Then tell me straight up, don't try to bind it into some fluffy clouds and call it "great news".
Every IPO in Market Discussions will now require a license, since after all, it's donations. Corporations should get a license too, I mean having a corp tax of >0.0% could be seen as a donation to the corporation...
And yeah, I guess me and everyone else with an EVE IP tattoo will need a license, I mean, some other geek may think it's awesome and want to buy me a beer...
I'm just very sad to see this even being discussed, talk about a punch in the face. Don't get me wrong, I see your point of EVE IP, and yes I can agree that it may need to be controlled to some extent, but this is not the way. Not by far.
/c
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:55:00 -
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@CCP_Manifest CCP_Manifest Hey guys, working on a quick reply here from the original blogwriter #eveonline #tweetfleet
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Cynthia Ysolde
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:56:00 -
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this is nearly as stupid as the nano nerf. Brasts |
Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:57:00 -
[194]
No CCP, its not all about the money. You just sold your biggest fans out
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cynthia Ysolde this is nearly as stupid as the nano nerf.
Except that the nanonerf was needed and made tons of creative setups possible instead of "nano or go home".
This on the other hand will cost CCP more money than they will ever earn with it. ____________________________________________
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Mac Aoidh
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:58:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Quote: @swearte Swearte Widfarend
#tweetfleet I love @EveOnline they try to make a balanced, reasonable (seems so) approach to monetizing 3PP, and whiners explode. #moartears
Retweeted by HilmarVeigar
Linkage
at least Hilmar is having fun...
This almost ****es me off more than the dev blog. Apparently, the CEO of CCP thinks we're all just whiners!
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Judy BigShot
Big Shot - For the Bounty Hunters
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:58:00 -
[197]
And how do you want to keep track which site is using which licence and i charging which amounts in which ways? How expensive is THAT gonna be for you? Not likely to be any profit for those few who might pay you. Just guessing... around 100 ppl gonna actually pay for this GREAT service. Thats 9900$ a year w/o taxes. How many hamsters can you pay with that?! And how many subscribers you gonna loose with that move? This idea sounds so much like Dilbert...
Big Shot - For the Bounty Hunters! http://eve-bigshot.com |
Niraia
Zaratha Zarati Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:58:00 -
[198]
"Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license."
Why, when you can't exchange ISK for real currency?
Why is this great news for 3rd party developers?
What the hell is wrong with you? You must understand that third party developers make your game better, yet you want to **** them over for more money? Isn't API access included as part of our subscription? You seem to have earn enough money from EVE players, with two new titles on the horizon.
Most people couldn't give a **** about idiots like Roc who want to make real currency with their third party EVE stuff when others happily develop for free, or some ISK.
I think I've lost what little respect I had left for your company, and will have to cease development on the few things I do besides EOH Poker because of this. Good job.
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Hagbard23Celine
Liga Freier Terraner Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:58:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Akita T
Ad revenue and ISK payments should really, really NOT require a 99$/year license. Everything else, sure, why not. But not those two.
+1
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Sorakage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:59:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Innominate Edited by: Innominate on 15/06/2011 18:14:24
Originally by: Alpheias CCP, don't bite the hand that feeds you. You need us more than we need you.
This pretty much sums up 3rd party app development in eve.
also:
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
They are kind of blind so you need to have the message to create a 70 page thread to give them the suspicion that we do not like the idea.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 15/06/2011 19:03:38 CCP perhaps you could show us some examples of sites which would require a license going forward, and those which would not.
CCP do you have anyone read these blogs before posting them? I think perhaps you have the worst PR department in history.
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ViRUS Pottage
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:00:00 -
[202]
Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Chribba ok seriously, I've like Ctrl+A, backspace this post 5 times now, tbh I'm out of words.
I would like to know how many 3rd party developer/sites are doing it for the ****ing awesome income it generates?! Seriously, this if anything WILL kill development of sites and services.
As a creator of sites/applications/services for New Eden since well over 6 years now, I can tell you that I have never once created something with the goal to make money off it, this whole thing about needing a license to make something for the community is just ****ing ******ed! Just hearing this makes my interest/will for developing things crash.
This is not about the $99, this is about how you want to charge me because I want to do something for the community out of my free will - does that sense? Do you feel I am stealing your IP, making massive amounts of money off your IP? Then tell me straight up, don't try to bind it into some fluffy clouds and call it "great news".
Every IPO in Market Discussions will now require a license, since after all, it's donations. Corporations should get a license too, I mean having a corp tax of >0.0% could be seen as a donation to the corporation...
And yeah, I guess me and everyone else with an EVE IP tattoo will need a license, I mean, some other geek may think it's awesome and want to buy me a beer...
I'm just very sad to see this even being discussed, talk about a punch in the face. Don't get me wrong, I see your point of EVE IP, and yes I can agree that it may need to be controlled to some extent, but this is not the way. Not by far.
/c
Where did Chribba post this? ___________
Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
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BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:00:00 -
[203]
Edited by: BugraT WarheaD on 15/06/2011 19:00:40
Originally by: Akita T
Ad revenue and ISK payments should really, really NOT require a 99$/year license. Everything else, sure, why not. But not those two.
+1 here !
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Satsuki Kakuri
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:01:00 -
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I don't see how this is great news. In fact, this is probably going to make me stop working on my various eve related program projects.
My Carbonite backup service runs me $50/year. That is far more valuable then what you are offering. So $99/year is not cheap enough for this.
You are asking for $99/year for something that I'm going to write for free, and maybe get some isk donations in the process which most assuredly would not recoup any costs. No. Hell no. Not worth it at all.
How about I write a program and put it up for free and people still feel the need to send me isk? Am I supposed to return it saying I didn't pay the license fee? Or better yet, I decide I don't feel like developing it any further, and they still send me isk?
This is horrible news.
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Valemora
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:03:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Lost Hamster
Originally by: Ibn Faldan
Originally by: Akita T
Ad revenue and ISK payments should really, really NOT require a 99$/year license. Everything else, sure, why not. But not those two.
+1
+1
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geilesding
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:04:00 -
[206]
[This is not a donation button]
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Delta Jax
NixCraft IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Delta Jax on 15/06/2011 19:06:15 Okay CCP, you want to be able to charge 99$ for this.. well guess what... not only have you took a pis$ all over the players, but your not offering anything of added value that we can already do with the API.
You want this $$ then I want an API license that is able to:
- Change Training skill queues.
- Queue Production/Research Jobs.(at corp pos's)
- And be able to actually DO other crap like above
And seriously, many open source project ask for donations.. they don't violate the GPL. Not to mention the only thing you got to enforce this is DCMA takedown notices.. that's pretty fail.
I might not be a lawyer, but once you start licensing out commercial aspects you just opened a box of worms
Tell those people in finance department to get the $$ out of their eyes, this will end badly for you.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:05:00 -
[208]
Little more calming down in this thread would do. Just because you set your font point size to 36 doesn't mean anyone is going to care more about your post. They see that people are upset and are working on a reply. Can we go back to 12 point font now?
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:06:00 -
[209]
Originally by: ViRUS Pottage
Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Chribba ok seriously, I've like Ctrl+A, backspace this post 5 times now, tbh I'm out of words.
I would like to know how many 3rd party developer/sites are doing it for the ****ing awesome income it generates?! Seriously, this if anything WILL kill development of sites and services.
As a creator of sites/applications/services for New Eden since well over 6 years now, I can tell you that I have never once created something with the goal to make money off it, this whole thing about needing a license to make something for the community is just ****ing ******ed! Just hearing this makes my interest/will for developing things crash.
This is not about the $99, this is about how you want to charge me because I want to do something for the community out of my free will - does that sense? Do you feel I am stealing your IP, making massive amounts of money off your IP? Then tell me straight up, don't try to bind it into some fluffy clouds and call it "great news".
Every IPO in Market Discussions will now require a license, since after all, it's donations. Corporations should get a license too, I mean having a corp tax of >0.0% could be seen as a donation to the corporation...
And yeah, I guess me and everyone else with an EVE IP tattoo will need a license, I mean, some other geek may think it's awesome and want to buy me a beer...
I'm just very sad to see this even being discussed, talk about a punch in the face. Don't get me wrong, I see your point of EVE IP, and yes I can agree that it may need to be controlled to some extent, but this is not the way. Not by far.
/c
Where did Chribba post this?
Here: http://bit.ly/l5ypuP
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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Optional Patch
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:06:00 -
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Unless CCP wants people to stop developing eve-related sites and services this is stupid on an epic scale. As a web developer I, like many others, have small side-projects dedicated to hobbies.
Many developers will devote hundreds of hours to making a site/app/service with the vain hope that when they hit it big they will be able to buy... I don't know... a new monitor. Almost never happens. Like 99% of the time.
I doubt this is about the money for CCP, however the $99 yearly charge is simply ill-thought out.
A one-time $20 fee sounds about right, adapt or die.
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