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Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.20 22:43:00 - [1] ITT: whiny noobs that think this is a game of skillpoints rather than spaceships. Go play the freaking game, this is not WoW where the content starts at max level. --- Drykor - AHARM
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.21 11:31:00 - [2] I never said SP is not useful, but the game does not revolve around it. The key here is not to give in to the instant gratification that people now seem to be used to from other games, but to let the journey itself be worthwhile. This will make the game more fun in the long run. á The early MMO's never let you get to max level that fast like games like WoW did, but a lot of other MMO's do now. You can either like that or not (I don't) but in Eve having a lot of SP does not mean you're invulnerable to lower SP characters either so it doesn't mean as much as it does in some games where 10 levels difference means the other guy is basically unkillable. á It's good that the learning skills are removed and you don't have to train useless-but-mandatory stuff for 2 months, but be aware this means that a lot of the small stuff is used a lot less already. You can get into bigger ships fairly fast now. Who spends more than a day or 2 in a frigate now? If everyone had almost instant access to all ships, then a lot of content (and fun content at that) would instantly become useless. For example the frigates again which is already a fairly short stop at the moment. These would almost instantly be redundant as you can almost immediately get to a destroyer or cruiser. But learning to fly a frigate effectively is actually a lot of fun. Why throw that experience away? á Another example, when moving on in the game you often learn to fly tacklers now, getting access to interceptors, flying those in fleets, learning to pilot your ship, learning the basics of pvp. People tend to fly these because it takes time to progress into other ships. That is not because interceptors are not FUN, but because people will always want to fly bigger ships with better tanks or higher damage. Again, it is a fallacy that it is more fun in the long run to get instant access to those. á If anything, learning has only increased in speed over the years with first the easier learning skills (no prereq of level 5 for the basic ones before you can put in advanced), then their removal, and implants becoming a lot cheaper due to the LP store. These are defininitely good changes if you ask me. But learning speed does not need another boost just because there are some people that fail to understand this game does not determine your succes or fun based on what ship you can sit in. --- Drykor - AHARM
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 21/06/2011 14:02:36 Originally by: Dr Caymus LOL It's easy taking if you are the one with the most SP in the game. Still: tell me what's exactly good about training years to be able to have some versatility? "Gradually unfold over time" is a good thing as it may be overwhelming to be able to do everything but 25 years is a bit silly. No one has played for 25 years yet, yet several hundredthousand people have an Eve account which they apparantly enjoy. Why would you need to be able to do everything with max skill to enjoy yourself? This mindset really is strange to me. --- Drykor - AHARM
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Jennifer Starling You can make ISK really easy in EVE Maybe this is the problem then, isk coming too easy due to all kinds of highsec/PVE buffs. Maybe you wouldn't complain like this if you couldn't afford the stuff anyway. Though I'm sure that you would be talking about how hard it is to make money in that case. Some people just have an attitude of wanting everything right now. --- Drykor - AHARM
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Drykor Originally by: Jennifer Starling You can make ISK really easy in EVE Maybe this is the problem then, isk coming too easy due to all kinds of highsec/PVE buffs. Maybe you wouldn't complain like this if you couldn't afford the stuff anyway. Though I'm sure that you would be talking about how hard it is to make money in that case. Some people just have an attitude of wanting everything right now. It's definitely very easy to become a multi billionaire. And perhaps some people have an attitude of having to do things to accomplish something (perhaps you think this is strange) instead of waiting because there's no other way. As I said before: "skilltraining in EVE is like welfare compared to working: you don't have to do anything for it but you don't get a lot in return either". Accomplishing something in Eve doesn't mean flying the biggest baddest ship out there. Like I said before, there is a lot of content for lower SP characters. However, you and others here seem to think this is not good enough for you. If you cannot enjoy yourself in a frigate, you won't enjoy yourself in a high-end ship either. Sure it's natural to want to progress into bigger stuff but that certainly doesn't mean the game is not fun at the early stages. If you honestly feel that all you can do in Eve is wait for skills to finish, then I don't think this is the game for you. But even with that attitude there are options. You say money comes so easily, well buy a better character. Personally I couldn't stand buying something better than the main character I trained up myself but maybe it's something for you. --- Drykor - AHARM
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.07.07 14:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Scorpias 2 Edited by: Scorpias 2 on 01/07/2011 06:11:47 i agree some kind of speed increase would be good, 35 days to train a skill is a little far, as it equates to about 16 euros to train. it works out as like 45 euros sub time for me to go from Moa to Widow.. not cool. Are you seriously complaining it costs you money to train from a low-end t1 cruiser to a T2 battleship? Not to mention you pay for PLAYING the game, not paying for skilltraining. --- Drykor - AHARM

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