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Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.15 22:50:00 - [1] Im helping you out by informing all game forums than use your name image in the header that they will be owing you $99 by sending them a link to the dev blog. Essentially all forums are supported by adds so you should get lots of money soon. Even guilds with a public forum will be paying. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.15 22:51:00 - [2] The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap?
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.15 22:52:00 - [3] Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.15 22:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Miilla on 15/06/2011 22:54:55 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Then there is the issue of terms to clarify when they are finalised and how the developer keys are managed with the apps that are published etc. In simple laymans terms, yes your right, in actuality, there is more to it than that. Developers can not just simply click through, we need to actually READ the license you usualy click through in games and apps that you ignore.
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.15 22:59:00 - [5] 3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet. $99 is the lowest that we estimated that we could reasonably go and still justify the cost of the service. If this is too high for app developers, this is something that could possibly be revisited. 4) Nothing is set in stone. We're willing to reconsider anything you deem unfair about the program. Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider. The dev blog about it is just a rough draft of what we can expect, and they actually never said it would be like that 100%. You guys are taking stances way too fast about that. Saying that they will 100% charge for everything Eve related your use is going way way beyond what was originaly posted.
Legolas Greenleaf	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Ghoest guilds DIE NOW
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Legolas Greenleaf Originally by: Ghoest guilds DIE NOW Oh dear I missed that -.-
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar 3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet. $99 is the lowest that we estimated that we could reasonably go and still justify the cost of the service. If this is too high for app developers, this is something that could possibly be revisited. 4) Nothing is set in stone. We're willing to reconsider anything you deem unfair about the program. Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider. The dev blog about it is just a rough draft of what we can expect, and they actually never said it would be like that 100%. You guys are taking stances way too fast about that. Saying that they will 100% charge for everything Eve related your use is going way way beyond what was originaly posted. "Rough Draft"... We need to wait to read the final version. I am however miffed that they do not provide any better "plumbing" such as language / runtime bindings for consuming their REST API now that they want to charge (commercial yes I know) for it. They say they need the charge to cover costs, well, what was the API doing since its release? Costing nothing? So, we pay to cover costs of the API that is poorly documented in a bad to read wiki, no language bindings / wrappers at all, shoddy forum support that we have today for free, and we are on our own basically, but now we get to pay for it (commercial license yes I know). So, the only reason they charge for it is???? what exactly? The only thing I see is legal lawyer costs from their BizDev teams in order to "cover their collective asses" when app developers charge for their products.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Legolas Greenleaf Originally by: Ghoest guilds DIE NOW LOLz I have been saying that here for years - the other 100 whiners didnt kill me so I doubt you will. Wherever you went - Here you are.
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:10:00 - [11] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit. Free as in free of no charge, but not free as in free of "contractual" "clauses" that we need to get a final version off to decide. Those little things you all click through ignoring when you install a game or app. We actually have to read and abide by those.
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit. Free as in free of no charge, but not free as in free of "contractual" "clauses" that we need to get a final version off to decide. Those little things you all click through ignoring when you install a game or app. We actually have to read and abide by those. You always had to read it. Hence the "I have read and I agree"
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit. Free as in free of no charge, but not free as in free of "contractual" "clauses" that we need to get a final version off to decide. Those little things you all click through ignoring when you install a game or app. We actually have to read and abide by those. Yes? How does that change what i stated, You do not have to pay up unless you're getting money out of your app or site somehow, The op stated that "anyone so much as using an image exported from EVE have to pay" which isn't true, I corrected it.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:14:00 - [14] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit. Umm ad supported forums count as for profit - try harder ugly. Wherever you went - Here you are.
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit. Umm ad supported forums count as for profit - try harder ugly. Ad supported, Yes, Are you saying that ALL sites and apps relating to EVE are ad/donation supported? no? didn't think so, My point stands.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:17:00 - [16] Originally by: N'tek alar Yes? How does that change what i stated, You do not have to pay up unless you're getting money out of your app or site somehow, The op stated that "anyone so much as using an image exported from EVE have to pay" which isn't true, I corrected it. We don't know at this point, no terms have been released yet. I am guessing it includes ANY EVE ASSET including images. Im sure it covers more than just the EVE REST API. Easy to get around, use your own images. As for the REST API, that is only required on the back end and if you use live data. It is possible to develope some eve components and maybe apps without any license I imagine, just by avoiding some assets, which is what I am doing currently until the License terms are finalised.
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 22:55:26 Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The only people that will pay are devs that use the EVE API AND want to make money from it. oh wait, did I fell into the troll trap? Read the dev blog more closely then come back. Igf you use any image exported from EVE in your header you have to pay. Actually, YOU need to read it more carefully. Quote: Non-commercial websites and apps will now require a (free) license Last point on the highlights, No, You will not have to pay if you aren't trying to make a profit. Umm ad supported forums count as for profit - try harder ugly. Does the forum use Eve API?
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: N'tek alar Yes? How does that change what i stated, You do not have to pay up unless you're getting money out of your app or site somehow, The op stated that "anyone so much as using an image exported from EVE have to pay" which isn't true, I corrected it. We don't know at this point, no terms have been released yet. I am guessing it includes ANY EVE ASSET including images. Im sure it covers more than just the EVE REST API. Easy to get around, use your own images. As for the REST API, that is only required on the back end and if you use live data. It is possible to develope some eve components and maybe apps without any license I imagine, just by avoiding some assets, which is what I am doing currently until the License terms are finalised. But they do state that as long as you aren't earning anything off of it, You don't have to pay. That is to say. Don't charge for it. Don't run ads on your site. Don't ask for donations. Don't try to get money out of the app/site in any way. And you'll be fine according to the dev blog.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:21:00 - [19] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Miilla Originally by: N'tek alar Yes? How does that change what i stated, You do not have to pay up unless you're getting money out of your app or site somehow, The op stated that "anyone so much as using an image exported from EVE have to pay" which isn't true, I corrected it. We don't know at this point, no terms have been released yet. I am guessing it includes ANY EVE ASSET including images. Im sure it covers more than just the EVE REST API. Easy to get around, use your own images. As for the REST API, that is only required on the back end and if you use live data. It is possible to develope some eve components and maybe apps without any license I imagine, just by avoiding some assets, which is what I am doing currently until the License terms are finalised. But they do state that as long as you aren't earning anything off of it, You don't have to pay. That is to say. Don't charge for it. Don't run ads on your site. Don't ask for donations. Don't try to get money out of the app/site in any way. And you'll be fine according to the dev blog. Yes I know, but again there is still the terms to actually read and agree to, they are not finalised or published yet. A dev blog isnt the terms, just a rough indication or feeler to the community. I am waiting to see the terms, until then, I am focusing on non CCP asset areas.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:22:00 - [20] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Miilla Originally by: N'tek alar Yes? How does that change what i stated, You do not have to pay up unless you're getting money out of your app or site somehow, The op stated that "anyone so much as using an image exported from EVE have to pay" which isn't true, I corrected it. We don't know at this point, no terms have been released yet. I am guessing it includes ANY EVE ASSET including images. Im sure it covers more than just the EVE REST API. Easy to get around, use your own images. As for the REST API, that is only required on the back end and if you use live data. It is possible to develope some eve components and maybe apps without any license I imagine, just by avoiding some assets, which is what I am doing currently until the License terms are finalised. But they do state that as long as you aren't earning anything off of it, You don't have to pay. That is to say. Don't charge for it. Don't run ads on your site. Don't ask for donations. Don't try to get money out of the app/site in any way. And you'll be fine according to the dev blog. Can you point me to a free download site that doesn't have any ads in it? Or perhaps a service that is nice enough to offer free web hosting without any ads? Failing that, can you explain why should people who already devote tons of time to try and make this game better should have to pay out of pocket for the privilege?
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:24:00 - [21] Edited by: Zag''mar Jurkar on 15/06/2011 23:23:51 ^ As I could understand from the Dev Blog, they can't, for now, in any way, make real cash from using the API. Feel free to tell me if I am wrong tho.
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Can you point me to a free download site that doesn't have any ads in it? Or perhaps a service that is nice enough to offer free web hosting without any ads? Failing that, can you explain why should people who already devote tons of time to try and make this game better should have to pay out of pocket for the privilege? No i can't, Nor do i agree that anyone using ads, or to a lesser degree, donations to pay for their website/bandwidth etc should have to pay, Considering a lot of them do a lot of good for CCP and the EVE community as a whole already. I'm just saying that the dev blog does not in any way shape or form state that "anyone using images from EVE have to pay up", And anyone claiming so is exaggerating a great deal. That's all.
Dom Ahab	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:41:00 - [23] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Emperor Cheney Can you point me to a free download site that doesn't have any ads in it? Or perhaps a service that is nice enough to offer free web hosting without any ads? Failing that, can you explain why should people who already devote tons of time to try and make this game better should have to pay out of pocket for the privilege? No i can't, Nor do i agree that anyone using ads, or to a lesser degree, donations to pay for their website/bandwidth etc should have to pay, Considering a lot of them do a lot of good for CCP and the EVE community as a whole already. I'm just saying that the dev blog does not in any way shape or form state that "anyone using images from EVE have to pay up", And anyone claiming so is exaggerating a great deal. That's all. My GOD your avatar is ugly... That is all.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2011.06.15 23:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Dom Ahab My GOD your avatar is ugly... That is all. Common, You know you woulda hit dat when you were in ur teens ;P..... Even the rough cars need lube changes. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:01:00 - [25] Originally by: N'tek alar Originally by: Emperor Cheney Can you point me to a free download site that doesn't have any ads in it? Or perhaps a service that is nice enough to offer free web hosting without any ads? Failing that, can you explain why should people who already devote tons of time to try and make this game better should have to pay out of pocket for the privilege? No i can't, Nor do i agree that anyone using ads, or to a lesser degree, donations to pay for their website/bandwidth etc should have to pay, Considering a lot of them do a lot of good for CCP and the EVE community as a whole already. I'm just saying that the dev blog does not in any way shape or form state that "anyone using images from EVE have to pay up", And anyone claiming so is exaggerating a great deal. That's all. No you said I was wrong. But if you read my original post in this thread its clear that I worded it in such a way that I was right. noob Wherever you went - Here you are.
Naryamn	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The dev blog about it is just a rough draft of what we can expect. You are new at this aren't you?
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Naryamn Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The dev blog about it is just a rough draft of what we can expect. You are new at this aren't you? To Eve's blogs yes.
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:31:00 - [28] who links to their graphics anyhow i just save image locally photoshop it to mod it for my site then upload it to my offshore host so i dont have to cross link or use any image host myself...
Naryamn	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar Originally by: Naryamn Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The dev blog about it is just a rough draft of what we can expect. You are new at this aren't you? To Eve's blogs yes. Ok, I will explain how this works. Eve is about tears and CCP made EVE so they like tears! They make a blog post and if everyone rage and cry about a proposal CCP will only change a thing in the proposal if its to make it even worse!!! If no one cries about the blog, they just do 10% of what they published so people can rage and cry! so... expect every single word of that draft to be applied without a single change for better! You need to read the blogs like a rough draft set in stone...
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Naryamn Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar Originally by: Naryamn Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar The dev blog about it is just a rough draft of what we can expect. You are new at this aren't you? To Eve's blogs yes. Ok, I will explain how this works. Eve is about tears and CCP made EVE so they like tears! They make a blog post and if everyone rage and cry about a proposal CCP will only change a thing in the proposal if its to make it even worse!!! If no one cries about the blog, they just do 10% of what they published so people can rage and cry! so... expect every single word of that draft to be applied without a single change for better! You need to read the blogs like a rough draft set in stone... We'll see I guess, now I'm off for Game 7!

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