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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:53:24
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:53:00 -
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Dust? What's that?
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chaosyourgod
Minmatar
Virtual Warriors
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: chaosyourgod on 16/06/2011 08:58:44
its eve
there is no trust
also you pay them to do things for you
the truth is but a lie |
Darius Brinn
Iberians
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:01:00 -
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 Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:08:00 -
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Give Dust team job.
IF they complete it successfully, give money.
ELSE don't give money.
ENDIF
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Porto Betalt
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:14:00 -
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about this much
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
Don't think he's talking about mental age, he's talking about physical age. They're not the same thing and mental age is harder to define.
Not seen any figures on it but I would not mind betting that the mean physical age of players has dropped slightly over the last 4 to 5 years.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:31:00 -
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Question:
"How much do you trust console players having your back when Dust hits?"
Answer:
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
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Play with the best - die like the rest
starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Question:
"How much do you trust console players having your back when Dust hits?"
Answer:
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
*You have lost control of Jita IV - V. Net loss 64,000,000,000.*
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:42:00 -
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Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
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Captain Travaras
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
if anybody looks at the forums, they would assume eve is played by kids by because of all the complete bull**** that goes on here. Makes the majority of the player base look like idiots because too many people are interested in trolling rather then discussion
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Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.
I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
Oh look, over 6 million copies of an 18+ rated game were sold for use on the PS3 
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.
I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.
Im sorry i didnt mean any ageism in saying console kiddies.
I know some kids out there are smart and would probably make good foot soldiers on planets or even eve players (Im sure some are). But i think in general, its downright absurd to think of how complex and sophisticated eve is, and to try to mix that up with people used to playing COD and Gran turismo 5 and expect them to understand how important this feels for the players in space and to take this as seriously as eve players take it. Its not always a good thing how serious eve is taken, but at the same time you cant be going into an eve invasion like you would play a round of Quake3. It just doesnt compute, the no PC release thing.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Logan LaMort
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
Oh look, over 6 million copies of an 18+ rated game were sold for use on the PS3
But that's parents buying them for their kids, so they can have a quieter life.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Aside from everything else people have quoted and torn apart, I'd also like to mention that console players don't have access to this sort of thing unless they're using both their console and a PC. I don't know a lot of people that do both at the same time, seems counter-productive.
Oh and, Dust was going to be on consoles from the start! hahaha
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:06:00 -
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Oh my, conjecture and fearmongering!
Maybe the real question is, how can the tightnit clan venturing into DUST possibly trust nullsec-botting-elitist-PC alliances to have their back when they need orbital support during a planetary invasion?
...oh wait
Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3 |
Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Logan LaMort on 16/06/2011 10:09:02
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Logan LaMort
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
Oh look, over 6 million copies of an 18+ rated game were sold for use on the PS3
But that's parents buying them for their kids, so they can have a quieter life.
I know, I got my mum to buy me the original GTA on the PS1 in 1997
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Aside from everything else people have quoted and torn apart, I'd also like to mention that console players don't have access to this sort of thing unless they're using both their console and a PC. I don't know a lot of people that do both at the same time, seems counter-productive.
Right. Its late and english is not my first language. What i meant more is that isnt there some kind of coordination that will be needed to do invasions on both side of games? With how important voice comm is these days for any game that requires a bit of coordination, how is this gonna work out with dust? These questions make me think that most likely, the effect of dust on Eve will be trivial because if you cant communicate well with console players, how else are you going to motivate them if you cant scream at them that theyre morons (wait...) Im half kidding here but so many questions this brings and no matter from what angle i look at it, it looks like a complete catastrophy waiting to happen.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Dust? What's that?
And you! Stop writing in bold! You are apart of the same compost heap that the rest of us are. What you say is no more important than what slappy mcTroll has to say.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:16:00 -
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As much as any other EVE playerà
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Tirachi Griffin
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:29:00 -
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The console 'kiddies' are actually very good at what they do. Killing stuff, winning and getting new stuff is their goal. In a short mission battle to destroy or capture a facility they would be excellent. The only problem is keeping them interested in what they're doing. They don't see the epic Eve politics (and probably don't care either) that are affected by what they do. All they do is fight and want to win.
The real problem that I feel Dust will have is the fact that the kids will enjoy themselves at the start, but if they have a powerful alliance backer they won't really have anything to work for. It's like a cheat mode in a game.. true it's fun at the start but then the game is incredibly boring as you have the ultimate everything with no work whatsoever... who wants that?
That and the fact that there's the poor opposing team who really has no chance as the backed team has the resources to field anything they want in seconds and they just get WTFBBQPWND... where is the fun in that? Eve's average player is generally quite mature. The console gamers though range over a great age range. I can't see a young player really wanting to walk into a meatgrinder time after time and wanting to keep playing. Whats the point? Its a lose - lose situation.
tl:dr: Balancing the game with outside resources being provided. Kids leave.
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:30:00 -
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I'm just poking fun at this thread, because I've built gaming PCs for myself over the years and I've bought a lot of second hand consoles.
I play them all online, and it doesn't matter if it's PS3, 360 or PC, I always encounter the same kind of gamers. You have the stupid brats, the nice guys, the team players, the campers, the lone wolves, the mouth breathers, the annoying guy etc
Same people, different taste in games and the machines that power those games.
And yes of course you'll find kids in amongst those groups, just like the majority of us used to be that kid playing video games many years a go. It's just us getting old.
I wouldn't worry about Dust, both EVE and Dust are designed to be playable independent of each other.
On the plus side, voice coms are the primary communication tools with consoles. Keyboards too can be easily used for text chat.
Oh and all that time on CoD means they'll know how to blow **** up and hey, with the lousy character progression in CoD that keeps people hooked, the Dust character progression will be a wet dream for them
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
"Sorry, gtg dinner ready wife/gf is mad *logged off*"
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:51:00 -
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I trust them to shoot stuff for rewards... If they can get rewards faster by cheating, or joining the other team they will do that. Once they have all the rewards they can get, they will leave.
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Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99
I trust them to shoot stuff for rewards... If they can get rewards faster by cheating, or joining the other team they will do that. Once they have all the rewards they can get, they will leave.
I didnt mean do you trust them in the sense that you trust them not to switch sides, do the kind of scams that happens in Eve. I meant it like, do you trust them to be able to cap that command center when it matters?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
As much as any other EVE playerà
^ What Tippia said 
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Cora Noo
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:13:00 -
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Quote:
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
I think many "console kiddies" are as dedicated to their game as EVE players are to EVE. But the lifetime of most FPS is really short compared to EVE, so they move on faster.
And well, perhaps EVE isn`t quite like COD... but Dust will be quite like COD. So perhaps you will want the typical COD "kid" to fight for your alliance since they most likely will beat the crap out of the 30+ EVE player trying space-COD^^ |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:19:00 -
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I'll not let a dust player have my back |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Moore on 16/06/2011 11:20:57
The only good Dust console player is the one in front of my siege cannons.
I hope we can hire them, then when they finish, friendly fire to get our isk back!
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Rustynail79
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rustynail79 on 16/06/2011 11:39:49
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
If any eve FC is thinking about doing this for you own sake dont as it will end badly. I have close to a decades experience in FPS and the most likely out come if you try and boss FPS players around espeacially the way FC do in eve they will just shot you in the face and then teabag you. Think of all the nasty horrible crap that goes on in eve then times it by a thousand and then put it on roids and your only about half way there on how nasty and vile the FPS crowd can be. Your average FPS player will kill YOU for just looking at a vehical they want, Your average FPS player will kill YOU if you give away there posistion, Your average FPS player will kill YOU and corps hump you if you steal THEIR kill and so on and so on.
EDIT: YOU = Teammate
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:38:00 -
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2008 article but interesting http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/23/new-study-compares-360-ps3-consumers/
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Tirachi Griffin
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:42:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Cora Noo
Quote:
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
I think many "console kiddies" are as dedicated to their game as EVE players are to EVE. But the lifetime of most FPS is really short compared to EVE, so they move on faster.
And well, perhaps EVE isn`t quite like COD... but Dust will be quite like COD. So perhaps you will want the typical COD "kid" to fight for your alliance since they most likely will beat the crap out of the 30+ EVE player trying space-COD^^
Nicely put, I know a couple of 14-15 year old kids that could annihilate an entire enemy team in COD single handedly (using xbox). All they did when they got home from school was the cursory attention to homework and then it's pew pew time every day for the rest of the day.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 16/06/2011 11:44:32
If sov gets indeed tied to DUST the result could be a huge boost to those alliances that recruit from OOG communities - namely Goonswarm Federation and TEST would probably have a very easy time recruiting DUST players to their cause from the SA and reddit communities.
Communities that only exist around EVE will probably have to fall back on internal recruitment and convince their members to buy Playstations...
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:05:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 12:06:36
Originally by: Rustynail79
Edited by: Rustynail79 on 16/06/2011 11:39:49
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
If any eve FC is thinking about doing this for you own sake dont as it will end badly. I have close to a decades experience in FPS and the most likely out come if you try and boss FPS players around espeacially the way FC do in eve they will just shot you in the face and then teabag you. Think of all the nasty horrible crap that goes on in eve then times it by a thousand and then put it on roids and your only about half way there on how nasty and vile the FPS crowd can be. Your average FPS player will kill YOU for just looking at a vehical they want, Your average FPS player will kill YOU if you give away there posistion, Your average FPS player will kill YOU and corps hump you if you steal THEIR kill and so on and so on.
EDIT: YOU = Teammate
I said a good fleet commander, not an ******* fleet commander. For the record ive been playing FPSs since 1993 and im pretty sure some eve fleet commanders have been as well.
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Sir Oliver Midwestshire
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:31:00 -
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I don't trust console players even when I'm playing on a console. They are unpredictable, one second they are taking things seriously, the next they are intentionally trying to loose.
That's why when DUST hits my corp will have it's dreadnought ready to nuke them from orbit at the first sign of stupidity.
...Oh and I'm the guy who founded the city between Eastshire and Westshire. Nobody visits it though. |
Rustynail79
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:32:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 12:06:36
Originally by: Rustynail79
Edited by: Rustynail79 on 16/06/2011 11:39:49
If any eve FC is thinking about doing this for you own sake dont as it will end badly. I have close to a decades experience in FPS and the most likely out come if you try and boss FPS players around espeacially the way FC do in eve they will just shot you in the face and then teabag you. Think of all the nasty horrible crap that goes on in eve then times it by a thousand and then put it on roids and your only about half way there on how nasty and vile the FPS crowd can be. Your average FPS player will kill YOU for just looking at a vehical they want, Your average FPS player will kill YOU if you give away there posistion, Your average FPS player will kill YOU and corps hump you if you steal THEIR kill and so on and so on.
EDIT: YOU = Teammate
I said a good fleet commander, not an ******* fleet commander. For the record ive been playing FPSs since 1993 and im pretty sure some eve fleet commanders have been as well.
I wasn't having a pop at you man just giving you a warning. As your an experienced FPS player you will know what ive put in bold is the truth. The FPS crowd are a hard bunch to organize they're like a pack of rabid pit bulls. You've just got to point them at the enemy and let them loose. Then hope they don't tair each other to pieces and if your lucky they will clump together into small groups and work together.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:51:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
I suspect most Eve players wouldn't have the patience to operate in a 70 player fleet either. As long as *enough* Dust players can put up with all the tedium of logistics, they'll have to numbers to facilitate Sov warfare. Also they did point out that Dust matches will be much shorter than the typical fleet op
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Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:52:00 -
[42]
Well, if its released i can shoot the crap out of my own char. :P
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Davich MacGregor
Minmatar
Stellar Products and Quality Resources
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:03:00 -
[43]
A ten year old kid has your back? Yeah right. LMAO
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Blackjack EvE
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:38:00 -
[44]
Now Imagine a 0.0 care-bear having tens of billions to toss around ... well no ship or module I want anymore so rain some havoc on planets ... If you can go anywhere in eve yes anywhere no matter system lock down (cyno jam) or not it will be interesting to see what ship you need because if I can load myself on a black ops and jump into safe heavens 0.0 farmland of who ever I want then the wonderful chaos will be a wasteland of planets left behind me.
It was only console now it`s Ps3 only, in my case is wonderful news because I won`t have to deal with the 360 fail crowd from games like halo and so on.
Also if CCP is trying to do something new I will give some of my time to test and try to have as much fun as possible without giving a F... about how it`s affecting PI, eve market or what ever else it might ot might not affect.
PS: I said when I got my Ps3 I WILL NEVER play a FPS on a console...however since I am a fan of EvE Online I will buy Dust if I need to just to show some appreciation because it`s the first company to try something like this and it deserves support from it`s community !
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Zag'mar Jurkar
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:54:00 -
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If I'm a CoD player, and on the PS3, and I also play Eve, aswell as Starcraft, NHL and some other games, what does it make me?
An adult that have kid's mentality or something?
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Bullyboutya Boutya
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:27:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
See your first problem is your thinking CCP is trying to attract casuals AKA kids like my son for Dust. Well let me tell you this right now Dust is goingto be for the Mature Shooter. The folks who hate COD, Battlefield will be the ones that Dust will attract.
I own a PS3 I heard about EVE from the MAG community(FPS SHOOTER LIKE DUST CONCEPT)you are going to be very surprised by the skill level of players that will play Dust. BTW I love EVE online :)if your wondering I don't play shooters MAG was my first cuz of the concept, and Dust will be my 2nd cuz of the concept :)
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:30:00 -
[47]
EvE Rule #2: Don't trust anyone.
I've always found this to be true, but kinda sad for a cooperative game.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:38:00 -
[48]
Because of the whole trust issue we could see EVE corps going to war with DUST corps and vice versa, it will certainly bring a whole new layer to the political landscape of EVE.
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:42:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Question:
"How much do you trust console players having your back when Dust hits?"
Answer:
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:52:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Bullyboutya Boutya
See your first problem is your thinking CCP is trying to attract casuals AKA kids like my son for Dust. Well let me tell you this right now Dust is goingto be for the Mature Shooter. The folks who hate COD, Battlefield will be the ones that Dust will attract.
I own a PS3 I heard about EVE from the MAG community(FPS SHOOTER LIKE DUST CONCEPT)you are going to be very surprised by the skill level of players that will play Dust. BTW I love EVE online :)if your wondering I don't play shooters MAG was my first cuz of the concept, and Dust will be my 2nd cuz of the concept :)
Im probably not going to be surprised by anything since i wont buy a PS3 just to play dust. Id like to play dust, but i wont, because of CCPs decision not to release it on PC.
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Adjunta Tungsten
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:58:00 -
[51]
Sure, I'd trust them if I paid them enough. Like that advert, the troops were mercenaries. I just hope it comes out on the PC after a year or two, it should be easy since they're making Dust interlink with EVE - a PC game. I mainly want it on the PC beacuse I don't own a PS3 and I aim far better with a mouse :)
But Dust might persuade me to get one.
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:00:00 -
[52]
Not very much. Especially considering the vast majority of console players are young children and idiots who never made it through high school.
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Zag'mar Jurkar
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dazram Two
Not very much. Especially considering the vast majority of console players are young children and idiots who never made it through high school.
95,6% of all statistics are pulled out of people's asses, including this one.
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Xulit
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:03:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Xulit on 16/06/2011 15:06:30
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.
I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.
Im sorry i didnt mean any ageism in saying console kiddies.
I know some kids out there are smart and would probably make good foot soldiers on planets or even eve players (Im sure some are).
EDIT: Freaking alt switch!
I've been playing EvE since Im 13, after 2 years of playing EvE I found out that age doesn't make the people more/less immature. It is a factor but I encounter a whole bunch of adult yelling for no reason and/or making random noise in chat. Sure, you will run into 12 years old cry babies. Just wonder how the crowd for DUST will turn up. (Just quoted since im quite young compared to the average of the eve population.)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Dazram Two
Not very much. Especially considering the vast majority of console players are young children and idiots who never made it through high school.
They'll fit right in with the uneducated EVE crown thenà 
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Jessie42
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:11:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
Wasn't very high to begin with tbqhtbftbh
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Zenethalos
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:19:00 -
[57]
I am hoping that Dust will attract a more mature crowd like Eve has. It looks like Dust will require patience, coordination, and team work from a team to succeed which is where many COD/BF players seem to fall short. Not all of them of course but many of them I know teen and adult don't have the attention span required for the intricacies of Eve and if Dust reflects even half of the patience and team work required then we should see a more mature crowd.
If you have ever played Arma it is easier to understand. That game requires patience and a great degree of team work to be exceptionally successful and any idiot's I have come across promptly get banned. Here's hoping Dust is some what to the liking of Arma team work requirements and eve patience.
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dead hamster
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:02:00 -
[58]
trusting anyone in the eve universe = fail
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:04:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.
I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.
Im sorry i didnt mean any ageism in saying console kiddies.
I know some kids out there are smart and would probably make good foot soldiers on planets or even eve players (Im sure some are). But i think in general, its downright absurd to think of how complex and sophisticated eve is, and to try to mix that up with people used to playing COD and Gran turismo 5 and expect them to understand how important this feels for the players in space and to take this as seriously as eve players take it. Its not always a good thing how serious eve is taken, but at the same time you cant be going into an eve invasion like you would play a round of Quake3. It just doesnt compute, the no PC release thing.
They probably have the same attention span as any mercenary, treat them that way, as long as you give them a reason they want to complete your mission isk, recognition, whatever then you can rely on them as much as say your autocannon hitting half way into falloff.
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Ehdward
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:13:00 -
[60]
Originally by: dead hamster
trusting anyone in the eve universe = fail
I'm not sure how everyone missed this point for so long.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:24:00 -
[61]
you decide; this is eve. For the record though, you are able to recruit dust players directly into your corp. Just vett them however you normally vett your members.
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:20:00 -
[62]
I wouldn't much... that's why I'd prefer it if a DUST corp got into whatever alliance I'm in, so it's less merc work and more their stuff too :)
I wouldn't trust outsiders with it, so make the ones you can trust into insiders.
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Buzz Terbludvessel
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:52:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
I'll not let a dust player have my back
Hmmm - since we have 2 PS3s in the house we might be able to watch our own backs :)
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Ronald Raygunn
Amarr
Inferi Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:17:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
"Sorry, gtg dinner ready wife/gf is mad *logged off*"
This, lulz!
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Bullyboutya Boutya
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:24:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ronald Raygunn
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
"Sorry, gtg dinner ready wife/gf is mad *logged off*"
This, lulz!
Thats why I'm single until I find a gamer girl. I was that guy not anymore :) LOL I can game in peace now.
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LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:29:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
How misguided and ignorant are you? "Console kiddies"? I have several PC's, 2 PS3's and an Xbox 360... Who is to say that people that have consoles are somehow less intelligent or adept at gaming? Not you, that is for sure.
Is this the kind of crap you anti-socail uber nerds really waste your life thinking about?
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Ozeki Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:37:00 -
[67]
Sorry. Didn't see anything in this thread that spelled out the game mechanics of how Dust will integrate with Eve. I can't really make an educated decision without knowing that. Where did anyone here get their information that can tell us how exactly Dust will interact with Eve and sovereignty.
Until I know that I can neither whine, complain, or be for Dust. I'll have to wait for when there is something more substantial to give feedback for.
Originally by: Akita T
BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:22:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 23:22:58
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Right. Its late and english is not my first language. What i meant more is that isnt there some kind of coordination that will be needed to do invasions on both side of games? With how important voice comm is these days for any game that requires a bit of coordination, how is this gonna work out with dust? These questions make me think that most likely, the effect of dust on Eve will be trivial because if you cant communicate well with console players, it means that you are not going to be able to motivate them by screaming at them that theyre morons (wait...) Im half kidding here but so many questions this brings and no matter from what angle i look at it, it looks like a complete catastrophy waiting to happen.
You will have console pros who will use voice comms, great skills and coordination, and who can ask for a large sum in aurum for their services.
There will be nubs who run around in circles firing in all directions and dont know other voice comms than their cell phone.
In short, just like there are hopeless corps in eve and there are pro pvpers in eve, there will be both among the console gamers also.
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Mspaine
Amarr
Knights of Solitude
Knights of the Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:03:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
How about - Recruit dust pilots directly to you're corp/alliance.
Treat them well - Pay them well - They are mercenaries after all. Gain their trust/loyalty that way.
Rather than hiring complete randoms and paying them subpar whilst expecting their loyalty? :P
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checkprices
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Bullyboutya Boutya
Thats why I'm single until I find a gamer girl. I was that guy not anymore :) LOL I can game in peace now.
Yeah that's why your single.
"I only have one rule when it comes to dating... You must play video games."
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Moe Lesture
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2011.06.17 01:11:00 -
[71]
About as far as i could throw a PS3 ( not very far :/ )
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Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2011.06.17 02:16:00 -
[72]
I don't plan on interacting with them.
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 02:17:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 17/06/2011 02:19:53
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Sorry. Didn't see anything in this thread that spelled out the game mechanics of how Dust will integrate with Eve. I can't really make an educated decision without knowing that. Where did anyone here get their information that can tell us how exactly Dust will interact with Eve and sovereignty.
Until I know that I can neither whine, complain, or be for Dust. I'll have to wait for when there is something more substantial to give feedback for.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/12/eve-evolved-predictions-for-dust-514/#continued
Simultaneous objectives
Now that we know the interaction between DUST and EVE is going to be realtime and extremely visceral, we can be confident that at least some DUST battles will be designed to line up with EVE's fleet conflicts over planets. To get the most out of the monumental integration of these two games, CCP will undoubtedly aim to maximise the number of battles in which either side can support the other militarily. That requires battles occurring simultaneously both above the planet and on its surface.
The beauty of a system in which both sides can fire on each other is that in theory it's self-balancing. It would be extremely risky for DUST mercenaries to invade a planet district without being sure an enemy fleet couldn't just bombard them mid-match. Similarly, it'd be extremely dangerous for an EVE fleet to capture the command center in space without first disabling the skyfire batteries on the ground.
Since both sides are a major threat to each other, neither objective can be completed first in guaranteed safety. Whichever alliance has a fleet in orbit will be more likely to capture the skyfire batteries on the ground due to aerial support, and whichever alliance has control of the skyfire batteries will be more likely to hold the field in a fleet engagement. Assuming both sides want to fight, players are therefore encouraged to have both battles occur at roughly the same time.
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Again, i dont mean trust in the sense that you trust them or not to not backstab you when it counts, i meant more, do you trust ps3 gamers to have any part in your sovereignty play back in eve online.
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Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:12:00 -
[74]
solution: form eve corps that play dust together too
large corps and alliances run by intelligent people wont just say 'derp console players = dumb' they will recruit eve players who will also play dust on behalf of the corp/alliance
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:14:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Beelzebubz
solution: form eve corps that play dust together too
large corps and alliances run by intelligent people wont just say 'derp console players = dumb' they will recruit eve players who will also play dust on behalf of the corp/alliance
That would be the best solution. Unfortunatly, CCP decided not to include PC players of eve on this boat unless they already have a PS3 or buy one. I guess CCP is just playing this RL game of cutthroat capitalism where its just spreadsheets and it doesnt matter to them if eve players would like to participate in dust or not.
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Beelzebubz
solution: form eve corps that play dust together too
large corps and alliances run by intelligent people wont just say 'derp console players = dumb' they will recruit eve players who will also play dust on behalf of the corp/alliance
Actually, I'd far prefer it if a Dust corp joined the alliance rather than recruiting EVE players who got PS3. I mean, having a dedicated Dust corp will help since those guys get used to fighting with/without fleet support and to take part in the alliance structure.
Furthermore, allocating EVE players who could be in fleets to Dust grunts, I don't know if it's a good idea.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:24:00 -
[77]
how much will I trust a dust bunny?
as much as I trust a EVE player, IE, the same distance between my index finger and F1.
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Quote:
The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:26:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Beelzebubz
solution: form eve corps that play dust together too
large corps and alliances run by intelligent people wont just say 'derp console players = dumb' they will recruit eve players who will also play dust on behalf of the corp/alliance
Actually, I'd far prefer it if a Dust corp joined the alliance rather than recruiting EVE players who got PS3. I mean, having a dedicated Dust corp will help since those guys get used to fighting with/without fleet support and to take part in the alliance structure.
Furthermore, allocating EVE players who could be in fleets to Dust grunts, I don't know if it's a good idea.
thats part of the trust issue the op was talking about, if you have your own eve corp members playing dust you already know them its not like youre paying out 100mil collateral to strangers. plus if they screw up in dust you can punish them in eve what ceo wouldnt love that?
as for ps3 exclusive issue op brought up, bfd. gamers have always and will always be screwed by exclusives, get over it
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Tiliam
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:32:00 -
[79]
I don't trust them to have my back, but I do trust that they'll enjoy the large amount of ordinance I just sent them
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:33:00 -
[80]
There was not enough space in the title.
I didnt mean "Do you trust them" as in, trust em not to stab you in the back.
Trust them more as in, do you trust them not to **** up while youre doing things in space, or would you like some eve players down there also.
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:34:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 17/06/2011 18:34:24
I'd trust them more if they were aiming with gaming mice and not derpsticks on their console controllers.
Fuggit - just allow PC gamers to play Dust and we'll get the job done. I'm better at FPS than Eve anyway.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:35:00 -
[82]
Originally by: chaosyourgod
Edited by: chaosyourgod on 16/06/2011 08:58:44
its eve
there is no trust
also you pay them to do things for you
So you pay them - and they do nothing. How do you punish them for skipping out?
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:40:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 17/06/2011 18:41:30
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 17/06/2011 18:40:09
Originally by: Zleon Leigh
Originally by: chaosyourgod
Edited by: chaosyourgod on 16/06/2011 08:58:44
its eve
there is no trust
also you pay them to do things for you
So you pay them - and they do nothing. How do you punish them for skipping out?
See, thats things like that that makes me think that to link Eve and dust without releasing dust on PC looks like a catastrophy from so many angles.
If dust was released on PC, in theory, you could have a whole eve alliance land on a planet and **** some **** up as a payback for not showing when paid/backstabbing etc...
it looks like such a great idea if its released on PC, so many possibilites, when you think about PS3, it just sounds like a pail of fail
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:45:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zleon Leigh
Originally by: chaosyourgod
Edited by: chaosyourgod on 16/06/2011 08:58:44
its eve
there is no trust
also you pay them to do things for you
So you pay them - and they do nothing. How do you punish them for skipping out?
Don't hire them again. Would a merc alliance in EVE stay in business if they kept bailing out and scamming their customers? I think not(would hope not...).
Also, trusting the Dust players to finish their job is an interesting thing with the whole merc aspect. Got a high-priority thing going on, get an expensive corp/alliance. Minor raids/annoying the enemy, get a cheap bunch of idiots.
Simple as that, look them up, find out if they're any good and then hire them.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:46:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: dead hamster
trusting anyone in the eve universe = fail
I'm not sure how everyone missed this point for so long.
Hey! I said that on page oneà 
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:50:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 17/06/2011 18:51:35
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 17/06/2011 18:50:54
Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Zleon Leigh
Originally by: chaosyourgod
Edited by: chaosyourgod on 16/06/2011 08:58:44
its eve
there is no trust
also you pay them to do things for you
So you pay them - and they do nothing. How do you punish them for skipping out?
Don't hire them again. Would a merc alliance in EVE stay in business if they kept bailing out and scamming their customers? I think not(would hope not...).
Also, trusting the Dust players to finish their job is an interesting thing with the whole merc aspect. Got a high-priority thing going on, get an expensive corp/alliance. Minor raids/annoying the enemy, get a cheap bunch of idiots.
Simple as that, look them up, find out if they're any good and then hire them.
But that sounds like a pve version of eve. Imagine paying a corp to do something in eve and they just laugh and take your money. But since the interaction is limited to pve the only you can do is like... go KS their rats or make a whine post on the forum like "Boohoo we got scammed, dont trust these guys". Does that sound like a version of eve youd wanna play?
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:55:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
But that sounds like a pve version of eve. Imagine paying a corp to do something in eve and they just laugh and take your money. But since the interaction is limited to pve the only you can do is like... go KS their rats or make a whine post on the forum like "Boohoo we got scammed, dont trust these guys". Does that sound like a version of eve youd wanna play?
I am not in any way interested in the highsec PvE thing there will be run, my main interest lies in the sov-realted nullsec plant-take over part. Where, y'know, there's more at stake than one person's PI stuff.
A good Dust corp in nullsec will be more than worth the price (but as stated before, I would much prefer it if they were in-house dust corps).
I am not certain how it's gonna be in lowsec, but that was supposed to be PvP too (as far as I've understood it atleast). I can see plenty of uses for Dust corps if planets are tied to sov/have a larger part in money-making. That goes for both in-alliance Dust corps and "freelancer" dust corps.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:00:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
Trust, in Eve? Hrm.
Motivations in Eve are generally money and power, certainly true in the NullSec. So if you, or they, can't finance their Aurum Arms race ... well, let's not ruin any surprises.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:01:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
It's not age but rather mental sophistication. Those who find it difficult to manage an operating system and more than 16 buttons play console games.
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Thousand Papercuts Project |
Spacing Cowboy
Caldari
Rule of Five
Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:02:00 -
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I will pay them enough that they will trust me.
Then nuke there ass from orbit
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
But that sounds like a pve version of eve. Imagine paying a corp to do something in eve and they just laugh and take your money. But since the interaction is limited to pve the only you can do is like... go KS their rats or make a whine post on the forum like "Boohoo we got scammed, dont trust these guys". Does that sound like a version of eve youd wanna play?
I am not in any way interested in the highsec PvE thing there will be run, my main interest lies in the sov-realted nullsec plant-take over part. Where, y'know, there's more at stake than one person's PI stuff.
A good Dust corp in nullsec will be more than worth the price (but as stated before, I would much prefer it if they were in-house dust corps).
I am not certain how it's gonna be in lowsec, but that was supposed to be PvP too (as far as I've understood it atleast). I can see plenty of uses for Dust corps if planets are tied to sov/have a larger part in money-making. That goes for both in-alliance Dust corps and "freelancer" dust corps.
Thats the problem though, im pretty sure theres loads of people like me who would love to play dust's sov interaction but cant swallow being forced to buy a PS3 to do it. The concept begs for some reciprocity. If someone screws you on a planet, how much of a bummer would it be that only the corps with enough PS3s are in a position to do anything about it beside cry about getting screwed on the forum? Im speculating a bit here, but its either that its deep like that, or that the interaction between the 2 games will be trivial, and then you have to ask why link the 2 games in the first place.
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
It's not age but rather mental sophistication. Those who find it difficult to manage an operating system and more than 16 buttons play console games.
But that might not be the reason why they play consoles. Not like CoD on PC uses 16 different buttons... on the other hand, it might actually be 16 buttons, started to count... stopped counting, lots of buttons xD
It's not like it's hard to play a game on the PC and all >,>
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:33:00 -
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I started playing eve when I was 14, 5 years ago with 4 other people my age. Please take your biased views elsewhere.
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AIRWARF
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Originally by: Miilla
Dust? What's that?
And you! Stop writing in bold! You are apart of the same compost heap that the rest of us are. What you say is no more important than what slappy mcTroll has to say.
LOL...
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:50:00 -
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AFter my dust pilots do the dirty work.
Ill just exterminate them with orbital bombardment.
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