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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:53:24
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.
Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.
But this doesnt change this:
Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.
To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:53:00 -
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Dust? What's that?
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chaosyourgod
Minmatar
Virtual Warriors
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: chaosyourgod on 16/06/2011 08:58:44
its eve
there is no trust
also you pay them to do things for you
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Darius Brinn
Iberians
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:01:00 -
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how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:08:00 -
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Give Dust team job.
IF they complete it successfully, give money.
ELSE don't give money.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Porto Betalt
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:14:00 -
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about this much
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?
The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.
And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.
Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
Don't think he's talking about mental age, he's talking about physical age. They're not the same thing and mental age is harder to define.
Not seen any figures on it but I would not mind betting that the mean physical age of players has dropped slightly over the last 4 to 5 years.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:31:00 -
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Question:
"How much do you trust console players having your back when Dust hits?"
Answer:
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
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starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Question:
"How much do you trust console players having your back when Dust hits?"
Answer:
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
*You have lost control of Jita IV - V. Net loss 64,000,000,000.*
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:42:00 -
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Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
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Captain Travaras
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?
if anybody looks at the forums, they would assume eve is played by kids by because of all the complete bull**** that goes on here. Makes the majority of the player base look like idiots because too many people are interested in trolling rather then discussion
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Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.
I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
Oh look, over 6 million copies of an 18+ rated game were sold for use on the PS3 
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.
I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.
Im sorry i didnt mean any ageism in saying console kiddies.
I know some kids out there are smart and would probably make good foot soldiers on planets or even eve players (Im sure some are). But i think in general, its downright absurd to think of how complex and sophisticated eve is, and to try to mix that up with people used to playing COD and Gran turismo 5 and expect them to understand how important this feels for the players in space and to take this as seriously as eve players take it. Its not always a good thing how serious eve is taken, but at the same time you cant be going into an eve invasion like you would play a round of Quake3. It just doesnt compute, the no PC release thing.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Logan LaMort
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
Oh look, over 6 million copies of an 18+ rated game were sold for use on the PS3
But that's parents buying them for their kids, so they can have a quieter life.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Aside from everything else people have quoted and torn apart, I'd also like to mention that console players don't have access to this sort of thing unless they're using both their console and a PC. I don't know a lot of people that do both at the same time, seems counter-productive.
Oh and, Dust was going to be on consoles from the start! hahaha
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:06:00 -
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Oh my, conjecture and fearmongering!
Maybe the real question is, how can the tightnit clan venturing into DUST possibly trust nullsec-botting-elitist-PC alliances to have their back when they need orbital support during a planetary invasion?
...oh wait
Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3 |
Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Logan LaMort on 16/06/2011 10:09:02
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Logan LaMort
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Boy, stereotypes about console gamers sure never get old.
http://www.listal.com/list/bestselling-ps3-games
Oh look, over 6 million copies of an 18+ rated game were sold for use on the PS3
But that's parents buying them for their kids, so they can have a quieter life.
I know, I got my mum to buy me the original GTA on the PS1 in 1997
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?
Aside from everything else people have quoted and torn apart, I'd also like to mention that console players don't have access to this sort of thing unless they're using both their console and a PC. I don't know a lot of people that do both at the same time, seems counter-productive.
Right. Its late and english is not my first language. What i meant more is that isnt there some kind of coordination that will be needed to do invasions on both side of games? With how important voice comm is these days for any game that requires a bit of coordination, how is this gonna work out with dust? These questions make me think that most likely, the effect of dust on Eve will be trivial because if you cant communicate well with console players, how else are you going to motivate them if you cant scream at them that theyre morons (wait...) Im half kidding here but so many questions this brings and no matter from what angle i look at it, it looks like a complete catastrophy waiting to happen.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Dust? What's that?
And you! Stop writing in bold! You are apart of the same compost heap that the rest of us are. What you say is no more important than what slappy mcTroll has to say.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:16:00 -
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As much as any other EVE playerà
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Tirachi Griffin
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:29:00 -
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The console 'kiddies' are actually very good at what they do. Killing stuff, winning and getting new stuff is their goal. In a short mission battle to destroy or capture a facility they would be excellent. The only problem is keeping them interested in what they're doing. They don't see the epic Eve politics (and probably don't care either) that are affected by what they do. All they do is fight and want to win.
The real problem that I feel Dust will have is the fact that the kids will enjoy themselves at the start, but if they have a powerful alliance backer they won't really have anything to work for. It's like a cheat mode in a game.. true it's fun at the start but then the game is incredibly boring as you have the ultimate everything with no work whatsoever... who wants that?
That and the fact that there's the poor opposing team who really has no chance as the backed team has the resources to field anything they want in seconds and they just get WTFBBQPWND... where is the fun in that? Eve's average player is generally quite mature. The console gamers though range over a great age range. I can't see a young player really wanting to walk into a meatgrinder time after time and wanting to keep playing. Whats the point? Its a lose - lose situation.
tl:dr: Balancing the game with outside resources being provided. Kids leave.
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:30:00 -
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I'm just poking fun at this thread, because I've built gaming PCs for myself over the years and I've bought a lot of second hand consoles.
I play them all online, and it doesn't matter if it's PS3, 360 or PC, I always encounter the same kind of gamers. You have the stupid brats, the nice guys, the team players, the campers, the lone wolves, the mouth breathers, the annoying guy etc
Same people, different taste in games and the machines that power those games.
And yes of course you'll find kids in amongst those groups, just like the majority of us used to be that kid playing video games many years a go. It's just us getting old.
I wouldn't worry about Dust, both EVE and Dust are designed to be playable independent of each other.
On the plus side, voice coms are the primary communication tools with consoles. Keyboards too can be easily used for text chat.
Oh and all that time on CoD means they'll know how to blow **** up and hey, with the lousy character progression in CoD that keeps people hooked, the Dust character progression will be a wet dream for them
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"
"Sorry, gtg dinner ready wife/gf is mad *logged off*"
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:51:00 -
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I trust them to shoot stuff for rewards... If they can get rewards faster by cheating, or joining the other team they will do that. Once they have all the rewards they can get, they will leave.
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99
I trust them to shoot stuff for rewards... If they can get rewards faster by cheating, or joining the other team they will do that. Once they have all the rewards they can get, they will leave.
I didnt mean do you trust them in the sense that you trust them not to switch sides, do the kind of scams that happens in Eve. I meant it like, do you trust them to be able to cap that command center when it matters?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
As much as any other EVE playerà
^ What Tippia said 
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