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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 16/06/2011 20:42:36
Originally by: Montevius Williams
Looks like they are making it a requirement which isnt a problem to me. As someone has said, for as long as I have played EVE (2009) people have been waiting for this day...now that it's here, people are all up in arms because now all of a sudden, people dont want to leave their ships. You should have said something 5 years ago when they mentioned that this was the direction that EVE was going. Change with times buddy, dont get left in the dark ages.
People did raise a fuss, we were told it would be optional, that they'd not do MT - here we are, not optional and MT.
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A Ingus
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Smithington I hopped on singularity this week to give CQ a try.
Having seen it I agree with the OP. CQ adds no new functionality, in fact all it adds is extra more cumbersome methods to get to current functionality. Its not even immersive since it makes no sense to jump out of your pod, shower, and clothe every time you dock.
My achura alt was pretty sexy in a skirt and heels, . . .
Forget the clothes, if the showering were actually part of the experience I could be immersed all day with my female alt. And if it cost aurum to do that and paint nipples I'd probably go broke. Is it wrong that I hope this is where the new CCP MT mania is heading? |
Ghurthe
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:46:00 -
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Long story short, don't make walking in stations mandatory CCP.
And the environment for eve online is in space, not in station, and certainly not in a crappy one room apartment.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ghurthe Long story short, don't make walking in stations mandatory CCP.
And the environment for eve online is in space, not in station, and certainly not in a crappy one room apartment.
^this
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Katrina Oniseki
Caldari 0rizen 0rizen Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 17/06/2011 03:11:24 DAT FOREHEAD.
Anyways, yeah...
I think the first release of Incarna is monumentally underwhelming. First they said we'll ONLY be getting single player Captain's Quarters with the first iteration (meaning no station bars and lobbies)... alright.. that's... not what I was hoping for, but alright. Okay, at least we get four customizable CQ. Then they said CQ won't be customizable yet. Then they said we're only getting the Minmatar one. Even the nebulae aren't finished yet.
At this point, 'Incarna' isn't even worthy of the title anymore. It's lack so much content right now. At the rate it took them to get this far, I don't even see the other three on the horizon until early 2012, much less interactive multiplayer.
The -only- finished new feature I see with this release is the turrets. That's it.
CCP only upgraded one ship model. They only added one non-customizable single player CQ, with only one place to sit, with (so far) very FEW options to spend your Aurum on. (Not many of them look very nice either. Where are the bloodline specific clothing options?) There are no board games you can play in CQ (Hexagonal Risk type game?).
And to make it all worse... the whole thing is a resource hog. I would be alright turning off or down some of my graphical effects if I could at least have some -fun- with my lag! What can I do in my CQ? What is there to do?
I signed up for EVE because I heard Incarna was coming. I literally subscribed for that reason, I finally took the plunge because of that promise. It's here... and it's nowhere near as exciting as I'd hoped.
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Swampcrud
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:15:00 -
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Before adding useless features it would be nice if they would fix things that are screwed up. CCP is becoming the Microsoft of mmo's, slap out crap and fix the bugs after release. Stellar job boys.
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San Severina
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS.
In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships.
i agree & i don't see why so many people ITT feel there is something wrong with this perfectly sane approach to what is nothing more than an irrelevant, GPU hungry, vanity distraction from the real game.
CQ not necessary for EvE, should be optional, not all of us want to participate in EvE barbies, it's not necessary for normal EvE gameplay, it doesn't matter a bit, so why are we being forced to use it to play the EvE we want? You know the EvE with spaceships & PVP.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie You arent forced to play EVE you know... There is a button, just dont press it.
You arent forced to comment on the forums either so address the topic or STFU, troll.
oh boy I can't wait for the ignore poster button : D
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Katrina Oniseki
Caldari 0rizen 0rizen Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS.
In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships.
i agree & i don't see why so many people ITT feel there is something wrong with this perfectly sane approach to what is nothing more than an irrelevant, GPU hungry, vanity distraction from the real game.
CQ not necessary for EvE, should be optional, not all of us want to participate in EvE barbies, it's not necessary for normal EvE gameplay, it doesn't matter a bit, so why are we being forced to use it to play the EvE we want? You know the EvE with spaceships & PVP.
Well, CCP has said time and time again that EVE is not all about internet spaceships. That might be all it is right now, but that's not all they want it to be, nor intended it to be. Keep that in mind.
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Ioci
Gallente Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:31:00 -
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If you walk up to a wall and stick your face in it, then drag the camera around to look at your character, it zooms in really close and you get a whole screen full of bewbies.
I'm happy |
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Maul555
Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:39:00 -
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/signed
The EVE Personality Test
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 17/06/2011 04:07:45
Originally by: Katrina Oniseki Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 17/06/2011 03:11:24 DAT FOREHEAD.
MPB sucks but some guys can pull it off.
Originally by: Maul555 Edited by: Maul555 on 17/06/2011 03:54:51 /signed
I have been looking forward to incarna for 8 years now. I am disappointed that it is being forced in this unnatural way. Please CCP, keep the station environment...
Incarna is to EVE what the Prequels were to Star Wars. Long anticipated but an utter disappointment when delivered.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS.
In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships.
How can you get beta testers for WoD if you don't force Eve users into the code being tested.
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San Severina
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Oniseki
Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS.
In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships.
i agree & i don't see why so many people ITT feel there is something wrong with this perfectly sane approach to what is nothing more than an irrelevant, GPU hungry, vanity distraction from the real game.
CQ not necessary for EvE, should be optional, not all of us want to participate in EvE barbies, it's not necessary for normal EvE gameplay, it doesn't matter a bit, so why are we being forced to use it to play the EvE we want? You know the EvE with spaceships & PVP.
Well, CCP has said time and time again that EVE is not all about internet spaceships. That might be all it is right now, but that's not all they want it to be, nor intended it to be. Keep that in mind.
I think what they intend it to be and what it will be might be 2 different things & what they intend & what players want is another thing.
Also what is the point of a CSM & these forums? We are told what we think matters, that the forums are monitored & players opinions count & shape future vision, the CSM is to be consulted & represents player interests & suggestions. But then we have changes like the player standings removed at the last moment with little or no warning, then partially re-instated & sold as a new feature! no movement on glaring problems with supercaps & balance issues or a myriad of other long promised fixes & tweaks or just follow up promises of features & changes implemented then never re-visited
I do know that the reasons given for MT introduction with vanity items in CQ etc. don't really add up, for me they just rang untrue. more money to develop more content? Sounds like the money EvE already pulls in is being misused, but that is just my suspicion. people seem keen to point out that MT is popular with other MMO's. Firstly EvE is not other MMO's, that is it's main attraction for me, it's uniqueness. Second, most of those MMO's are F2P. But you cannot deny the volume of threads here voicing concern that EvE is heading into dangerous waters with MT and CQ not being optional, especially with big business like Nvidia & Sony now circling like sharks.
We are just concerned EvE players, I love EvE & don't want to see it make mistakes I have seen a few other games I used to love make.
I worry when I see the way the Dust exclusive announcement was handled, an interview I read with two senior CCP staff regarding that debacle was laughably obscurantist & befuddling. obviously there are hidden objectives & agreements, that's business I guess, but it certainly could be handled better by CCP. CCP can't tell us that we matter, that the players help decide how the game develops, implement the CSM with all it's fanfare & chew thru alot of player man hours devoted to the implementation of that circus, then fail to address honestly some serious & valid player concerns about game changing decisions made with little or no notice, feedback or consultation of any kind.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:43:00 -
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Bump. |
Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Jartren you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out.
OH, OH NO NO! A worthless piece of crap 'feature' that serves only to bloat the install and cause clients to take up more ram is at risk of dying out because people don't want to use it.
That would surely be a tragedy.
Why don't you quit over it.
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Ion Rubix
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabi Tiane This is NOT about not wanting Incarna, or not wanting to leave our ships or being resistant to change.
Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ.
We just want Incarna to live up to itself by making sense. Capsuleers decanting every single time they dock even when they're just dropping off a item or reshipping does not make sense from an immersion and RP standpoint, nor from a gameplay design standpoint.
Agreed. What's wrong with right clicking on a station and having 'Dock' AND 'Dock & Disembark'?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:41:00 -
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CCP, give us our goddamn disembark button and let us keep the old hangar.
I'm through asking for it. I think we should demand it. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
How can you get beta testers for WoD if you don't force Eve users into the code being tested.
This.
I mean, investing effort in Q&A is so not "cutting edge" and "AWESOME" ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nuniki Must suck to be so dumb and resistant to change.
I'm not a republican anymore
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.19 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ion Rubix Agreed. What's wrong with right clicking on a station and having 'Dock' AND 'Dock & Disembark'?
What's wrong with turning CQ off with the nice checkbox option that CCP has provided?
Seriously, is that too much of an effort for you to go through to turn off Incarna? Damn talk about lazy ****s... I bet you have a rather hard time reaching the TV remote too.
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Ion Rubix
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Posted - 2011.06.19 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab What's wrong with turning CQ off with the nice checkbox option that CCP has provided?
Seriously, is that too much of an effort for you to go through to turn off Incarna? Damn talk about lazy ****s... I bet you have a rather hard time reaching the TV remote too.
Erm... can you read much? Or has sitting your fat ass in front of the t.v with your remote ruined your eye sight?
Quote: Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ.
My comment was more about increasing the sense of immersion that Incarna provides.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.06.19 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
How can you get beta testers for WoD if you don't force Eve users into the code being tested.
This.
I mean, investing effort in Q&A is so not "cutting edge" and "AWESOME"
Well, IT's NOT A LIE they are using INCARNA as an extremely obvious and gross testing ground for WOD MMO , the problem with CCP lately is they just too focused on this project of them, plus DUST plus their partners at White Wolf and making money and staying "current". They simply are , to me, trying to grasp at everything at the same time. Hope it doesnt collapse, I'm hesitant believing DUST will be successful, unless they planned dust from the start as a new way to drive "consolerros" into playing eve and hoping at least 10% of the consolerros end up playing here, else I don't really see a point in it in 6months it will be completely obsolete, specially being console only.
To top that they launching this massive overhaul of their game with a game inside their game, called Incarna, and obviously, the guys implementing it don't really understand how a lot of players will get annoyed at the fact that docking at a base and in an environment that looks like crap dressed as reject clown school students, I mean, they probably don't even play the game ,to top that they then go to say most people "will get over it" which doesnt help much either
I just hope everything will be finally polished to the point all goes smoothly and assume this is simply a first phase, where change is so obvious you get these huge reactions against it, but will all be for the better.
I still have high hopes in Incarna and believe it will be very very good for eve, even if it turns out to be an NGE fiasco, I just love EVE too much, CCP will surely do what SWG didnt, they will backtrack and delete any offending content that destroyed the playerbase, I mean they are waaaay more clever than SOE.
Yep I have high hopes that no matter what everything will be alright.
yessir, everything will turn alright ... alright...
AHHHH what the hell, stop the whining, no really, let the damn thing be installed, fume all you want, is coming in, no matter how loud you cry. EMO RAGE at Incarna barely sc****s the surface of the Torpedo Nerf affair or the first Wave of ECM Changes or the Carrier Nerf , or the DD nerf.
I honestly with all my heart believe that that huge swathe of the playerbase that permalives in Empire arent even aware or care much for the incarna change to be honest. They the ones that keep this game alive. They dont care about anything here. And their combined wallet is bigger than your 10 alts and subs and multibox accounts and your dogs account too. So we will have RMT, Cash Shop, Shiny paintjobs, over 10 styles of jackets, dogs, cats, halos and holographic Pokemon wars in the Incarna bars. Last time I tried a semi scientific approach at the forums I concluded that barely a significant portion of the real playerbase even knows or posts or reads the official forums. It's kinda pointless to be honest. The more I researched the more I concluded you all can whine, cry, burn slaves or whatnot, and the only way a dev will even bother to reply to you is when they out of ideas for a new ship design and ask a couple of supposed know it alls to voice their opinions here, resulting in a not so great ship change a couple years back.
Seriously guys, you might try to scream at a wall, at least you know it's there. Devs here totally try to AVOID the forums like the plague because they know they will get 10000 cries of FIX THIS, FIX THAT, you suck, you lamers you idiots and on on. Any sane person that tries to pool feedback on a community of a game will never reach the forums. It's like dipping you head in acid and then wondering why it burned.
The most vocal and ardent naysayers are the ones that seem to cry the loudest. It's futile.
--- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 19/06/2011 09:00:47
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
You do realize they are basically trying to integrate a completely different game into an already existing one, while at the same time making it accessable for the first ever cross platform/cross genre game ever to be released, right? Have you ever created a game that thousands of people are playing at any given time, let alone created a breakthrough in the gaming industry?
And you don't seem to realise that from a developers point of view, forcing this new technology into a game as EVE and then making it replace an important component of the game is bordering on the imbecilic.
EVE is a running game, in the past, even small alterations of the game 's functionality has caused game breaking bugs. This is because Singularity and Duality are not true representations Tranquility, its simply too large for that.
There are bound to be hundreds, maybe thousands of players that will be unable to use the features produced by Incarna for the first weeks, in the worst case even months.
To prevent people from playing CCP has given us a "temporary" option to not load the CQ and leave players on the loading screen (black screen) with the neocom. This is incredibly crude. I don't understand why CCP havn't thought of this sooner, especially since 3 years ago they damn well knew this and actually said it on their Walking in stations showcase. Making Incarna mandatory is a incredibly stupid design decision.
And let me remind you one particular definition of design:
DESIGN: A process of game development that if properly executed minimizes the risk of things going horribly wrong.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris CCP, give us our goddamn disembark button and let us keep the old hangar.
I'm through asking for it. I think we should demand it.
please transfer me your stuff and isk when you finally ragequit in a week or two
thanks _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco
Seriously guys, you might try to scream at a wall, at least you know it's there. Devs here totally try to AVOID the forums like the plague because they know they will get 10000 cries of FIX THIS, FIX THAT, you suck, you lamers you idiots and on on. Any sane person that tries to pool feedback on a community of a game will never reach the forums. It's like dipping you head in acid and then wondering why it burned.
The most vocal and ardent naysayers are the ones that seem to cry the loudest. It's futile.
They avoid the forums because the entirety of the CCP corporate culture is "Here's a rubix's cube, go now go f*** off and die." ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate please transfer me your stuff and isk when you finally ragequit in a week or two
thanks
No. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate please transfer me your stuff and isk when you finally ragequit in a week or two
thanks
No.
even after i asked nicely? how rude _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:45:00 -
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Incarna stealth docking games nerf c/d? ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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