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Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 17:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships.
Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie	Posted - 2011.06.16 17:25:00 - [2] You arent forced to play EVE you know... There is a button, just dont press it.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 17:27:00 - [3] Originally by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie You arent forced to play EVE you know... There is a button, just dont press it. You arent forced to comment on the forums either so address the topic or STFU, troll.
Jartren	Posted - 2011.06.16 17:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Does really no one get it? When you exsist in an mmo avatar based enviroment like Incarna, you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out. The reason no cpp devs have said that is because it will really **** people off who don't understand. On a side note, I don't want to play "docking games" with people in Incarna.
Nuniki Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:05:00 - [5] Must suck to be so dumb and resistant to change.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Jartren you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out. OH, OH NO NO! A worthless piece of crap 'feature' that serves only to bloat the install and cause clients to take up more ram is at risk of dying out because people don't want to use it. That would surely be a tragedy. ~~~
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:11:00 - [7] WoE : World Of Eve
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Jartren Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Does really no one get it? When you exsist in an mmo avatar based enviroment like Incarna, you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out. The reason no cpp devs have said that is because it will really ** people off who don't understand. On a side note, I don't want to play "docking games" with people in Incarna. You sir are an idiot... you don't have to use the environment in Incarna, because the old UI is there and covers it up. In fact the new UI just opens the old UI. Making it harder to interact with the environment. To be successful you only have to interact with the environment to do things IN CQ/Incarna... you do not HAVE to go there in the first place. By replacing the Hanger with CQ they have Reduced Incarna's chance of being successful... The only way to make Incarna successful is to have decent content. The only way to make Incarna make Immersive, and RP sense is to have a regular hanger with the option to disembark in it. I Don't get how you don't get this.... Also don't make excuses for CCP not answering this... They are big enough to grow the balls to do it themselves. ------------------------------------------- Originally by:** Kronus Heilgar You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:15:00 - [9] But but...how else would they sell you their MTstuff hm?
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku But but...how else would they sell you their MTstuff hm? you can access the MT store from the market, and from the station neocom. you don't have to be in Incarna at all. The people who will buy this stuff (not me) will buy it if they are compelled to use Incarna or not. those that wont (me) wont buy stuff regardless of how much CCP try to shove it down our throats... We might Quit eve altogether though... Real money spinner that... ------------------------------------------- Originally by: Kronus Heilgar You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:30:00 - [11] when you see your avatar in the orange overall every time you dock many will at least have a look on how to change that. yes, this works, its used all the time in RL.
LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie You arent forced to play EVE you know... There is a button, just dont press it. You arent forced to comment on the forums either so address the topic or STFU, troll. He did address the topic and in no way was he complaining that he was forced to comment on your pointless whining. Maybe you should learn to comprehend the language you speak, or maybe it might be best for you to STFU.
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:34:00 - [13] I hopped on singularity this week to give CQ a try. Having seen it I agree with the OP. CQ adds no new functionality, in fact all it adds is extra more cumbersome methods to get to current functionality. Its not even immersive since it makes no sense to jump out of your pod, shower, and clothe every time you dock. My achura alt was pretty sexy in a skirt and heels, and this character made me laugh since he looks like a dork under the hood. Imagine an old, stoned asian. That was fun because I originally made him to be a goofball character. But that was maybe two and half minutes of fun? I think incarna in it's full form as CCP has described it will be awesome, but CQ isn't it. And forcing us into this ****hole of an apartment every time we dock is just. . . weak.
LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Jartren Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Does really no one get it? When you exsist in an mmo avatar based enviroment like Incarna, you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out. The reason no cpp devs have said that is because it will really ** people off who don't understand. On a side note, I don't want to play "docking games" with people in Incarna. You sir are an idiot... you don't have to use the environment in Incarna, because the old UI is there and covers it up. In fact the new UI just opens the old UI. Making it harder to interact with the environment. To be successful you only have to interact with the environment to do things IN CQ/Incarna... you do not HAVE to go there in the first place. By replacing the Hanger with CQ they have Reduced Incarna's chance of being successful... The only way to make Incarna successful is to have decent content. The only way to make Incarna make Immersive, and RP sense is to have a regular hanger with the option to disembark in it. I Don't get how you don't get this.... Also don't make excuses for CCP not answering this... They are big enough to grow the balls to do it themselves. What is funny here is taht you feel like you are entitled to some answer from CCP even though your entire post is pointless drivel. For years people have complained that people cannot leave their ships...now that it is happening, people are complaining that you are going to be able to leave your ship. Why don't you dumb ing wastes of natural resources find something better to do than complaining about everything everyone else is doing. **ing go outside or something. You people make me sick.
LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Mister Smithington I hopped on singularity this week to give CQ a try. Having seen it I agree with the OP. CQ adds no new functionality, in fact all it adds is extra more cumbersome methods to get to current functionality. Its not even immersive since it makes no sense to jump out of your pod, shower, and clothe every time you dock. My achura alt was pretty sexy in a skirt and heels, and this character made me laugh since he looks like a dork under the hood. Imagine an old, stoned asian. That was fun because I originally made him to be a goofball character. But that was maybe two and half minutes of fun? I think incarna in it's full form as CCP has described it will be awesome, but CQ isn't it. And forcing us into this ****hole of an apartment every time we dock is just. . . weak. You do realize they are basically trying to integrate a completely different game into an already existing one, while at the same time making it accessable for the first ever cross platform/cross genre game ever to be released, right? Have you ever created a game that thousands of people are playing at any given time, let alone created a breakthrough in the gaming industry?
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Nuniki Must suck to be so dumb and resistant to change. These forums are replete with those types.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:40:00 - [17] What breakthrough are they creating? E&B had this back in 2004...so what, a space game with station avatars has already been done...twice. Now, we could argue they are doing it "better", but since Incarna is becomming their personal MT-shop platform i doubt that very much.
Savage Angel	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Savage Angel on 16/06/2011 18:50:26 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Actually changing ships is the one thing that would make sense. If you just load/unload cargo, then do so in the pod. Have a "Leave ship" option that would allow you to enter CQ, select a new ship, then get in the new one. That way you could do a walk around like airline pilots do now. There is a built-in delay already on changing ships, so just reduce or eliminate it to make up for the time difference. Just because there was an expedience to the original Eve to skip over what happens in a ship change or docking experience, doesn't mean they cannot expand on it now. And with CQ, they can add functionality that makes more sense when out of your pod. Maybe an enhance market screen, a face-to-face meeting with your security agent to get that super secret package, or some other idea in the future.
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:54:00 - [19] Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT You do realize they are basically trying to integrate a completely different game into an already existing one, while at the same time making it accessable for the first ever cross platform/cross genre game ever to be released, right? Have you ever created a game that thousands of people are playing at any given time, let alone created a breakthrough in the gaming industry? Calm the **** down, fanboy. How does any of that preclude them from including a transitional stage between Spaceship in Space and Avatar in Station?
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:56:00 - [20] Roleplayer who has been looking forward to Incarna/WIS/Ambulation all along, checking in. ...+1 to the OP, because the current implementation of CQ harms immersion despite Incarna's main (well, secondary to selling Aurum items I guess) goal being the enhancement of immersion.
Slajov Zizek	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:59:00 - [21] They're also adding $2 USD for your character to drink Quafe.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:03:00 - [22] Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie You arent forced to play EVE you know... There is a button, just dont press it. You arent forced to comment on the forums either so address the topic or STFU, troll. He did address the topic and in no way was he complaining that he was forced to comment on your pointless whining. Maybe you should learn to comprehend the language you speak, or maybe it might be best for you to STFU. Another one with comprehension difficulties. Sad the generation of kids growing up these days. Don't you have homework or chores or something to do? Oh right, goddamn summer vacation is in session. No **face, she did not address . I stated that the CQ and WIS interface should be an option and not an obstacle to contend with when all you want to do is dock and swap ships. All she did was tell me not to play EVE. If you see that as addressing the topic then you are a bigger **** than I thought. Go back to Wow or WoD or whatever gay game you are into dumbass and let the grown ups discuss EVE's development and future without your pre-pubescent trolling. There, I addressed your reply...feel good now big man?
Montevius Williams Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Looks like they are making it a requirement which isnt a problem to me. As someone has said, for as long as I have played EVE (2009) people have been waiting for this day...now that it's here, people are all up in arms because now all of a sudden, people dont want to leave their ships. You should have said something 5 years ago when they mentioned that this was the direction that EVE was going. Change with times buddy, dont get left in the dark ages.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Jartren Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Does really no one get it? When you exsist in an mmo avatar based enviroment like Incarna, you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out. The reason no cpp devs have said that is because it will really **** people off who don't understand. On a side note, I don't want to play "docking games" with people in Incarna. Everyone must be forced to be involved in 0.0 blobfest or else. C/D? ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Montevius Williams Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Looks like they are making it a requirement which isnt a problem to me. As someone has said, for as long as I have played EVE (2009) people have been waiting for this day...now that it's here, people are all up in arms because now all of a sudden, people dont want to leave their ships. You should have said something 5 years ago when they mentioned that this was the direction that EVE was going. Change with times buddy, dont get left in the dark ages. Everyone is missing the "just to to change ships" part. Why do I have to go to CQ if all I want to do is change ships?
HellHoundB	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:13:00 - [26] Can we remove nullsec because noone uses that either.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:14:00 - [27] Edited by: Razin on 16/06/2011 19:15:27 Originally by: Montevius Williams Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. Looks like they are making it a requirement which isnt a problem to me. As someone has said, for as long as I have played EVE (2009) people have been waiting for this day...now that it's here, people are all up in arms because now all of a sudden, people dont want to leave their ships. You should have said something 5 years ago when they mentioned that this was the direction that EVE was going. Change with times buddy, dont get left in the dark ages. Thing is 3 years ago they showed a demo that had the ship-spin hangar and clearly showed that WIS was optional (activated by a buttan). The first time CCP mentioned the compulsory nature of this content was in a devblog back in March of this year. Originally by: HellHoundB Can we remove nullsec because noone uses that either. Do you feel forced to enter 0.0? If so you've got other issues. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 16/06/2011 19:23:02 This is NOT about not wanting Incarna, or not wanting to leave our ships or being resistant to change. Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ. We just want Incarna to live up to itself by making sense. Capsuleers decanting every single time they dock even when they're just dropping off a item or reshipping does not make sense from an immersion and RP standpoint, nor from a gameplay design standpoint.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 16/06/2011 19:23:02 This is NOT about not wanting Incarna, or not wanting to leave our ships or being resistant to change. Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ. We just want Incarna to live up to itself by making sense. Capsuleers decanting every single time they dock even when they're just dropping off a item or reshipping does not make sense from an immersion and RP standpoint, nor from a gameplay design standpoint. OMG!!! THANK YOU!!!! xoxoxoxoxoxox Finally, someone gets it. (Mirabi, I want to have your babies)
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 16/06/2011 19:23:02 This is NOT about not wanting Incarna, or not wanting to leave our ships or being resistant to change. Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ. We just want Incarna to live up to itself by making sense. Capsuleers decanting every single time they dock even when they're just dropping off a item or reshipping does not make sense from an immersion and RP standpoint, nor from a gameplay design standpoint. Quoted for Truth. Incarna (full version) sounds awesome. I want it and I'm looking forward to it. But like any feature, I want to see it implemented right and fully. Let's try to avoid any more lol-faction-warfare type releases. Especially with something like incarna that took so many resources to produce.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.16 20:34:00 - [31] Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 16/06/2011 20:42:36 Originally by: Montevius Williams Looks like they are making it a requirement which isnt a problem to me. As someone has said, for as long as I have played EVE (2009) people have been waiting for this day...now that it's here, people are all up in arms because now all of a sudden, people dont want to leave their ships. You should have said something 5 years ago when they mentioned that this was the direction that EVE was going. Change with times buddy, dont get left in the dark ages. People did raise a fuss, we were told it would be optional, that they'd not do MT - here we are, not optional and MT.
A Ingus	Posted - 2011.06.16 20:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Mister Smithington I hopped on singularity this week to give CQ a try. Having seen it I agree with the OP. CQ adds no new functionality, in fact all it adds is extra more cumbersome methods to get to current functionality. Its not even immersive since it makes no sense to jump out of your pod, shower, and clothe every time you dock. My achura alt was pretty sexy in a skirt and heels, . . . Forget the clothes, if the showering were actually part of the experience I could be immersed all day with my female alt. And if it cost aurum to do that and paint nipples I'd probably go broke. Is it wrong that I hope this is where the new CCP MT mania is heading?
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.06.16 20:46:00 - [33] Long story short, don't make walking in stations mandatory CCP. And the environment for eve online is in space, not in station, and certainly not in a crappy one room apartment.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Ghurthe Long story short, don't make walking in stations mandatory CCP. And the environment for eve online is in space, not in station, and certainly not in a crappy one room apartment. ^this
Katrina Oniseki Caldari 0rizen 0rizen Nation	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:10:00 - [35] Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 17/06/2011 03:11:24 DAT FOREHEAD. Anyways, yeah... I think the first release of Incarna is monumentally underwhelming. First they said we'll ONLY be getting single player Captain's Quarters with the first iteration (meaning no station bars and lobbies)... alright.. that's... not what I was hoping for, but alright. Okay, at least we get four customizable CQ. Then they said CQ won't be customizable yet. Then they said we're only getting the Minmatar one. Even the nebulae aren't finished yet. At this point, 'Incarna' isn't even worthy of the title anymore. It's lack so much content right now. At the rate it took them to get this far, I don't even see the other three on the horizon until early 2012, much less interactive multiplayer. The -only- finished new feature I see with this release is the turrets. That's it. CCP only upgraded one ship model. They only added one non-customizable single player CQ, with only one place to sit, with (so far) very FEW options to spend your Aurum on. (Not many of them look very nice either. Where are the bloodline specific clothing options?) There are no board games you can play in CQ (Hexagonal Risk type game?). And to make it all worse... the whole thing is a resource hog. I would be alright turning off or down some of my graphical effects if I could at least have some -fun- with my lag! What can I do in my CQ? What is there to do? I signed up for EVE because I heard Incarna was coming. I literally subscribed for that reason, I finally took the plunge because of that promise. It's here... and it's nowhere near as exciting as I'd hoped.
Swampcrud	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:15:00 - [36] Before adding useless features it would be nice if they would fix things that are screwed up. CCP is becoming the Microsoft of mmo's, slap out crap and fix the bugs after release. Stellar job boys.
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. i agree & i don't see why so many people ITT feel there is something wrong with this perfectly sane approach to what is nothing more than an irrelevant, GPU hungry, vanity distraction from the real game. CQ not necessary for EvE, should be optional, not all of us want to participate in EvE barbies, it's not necessary for normal EvE gameplay, it doesn't matter a bit, so why are we being forced to use it to play the EvE we want? You know the EvE with spaceships & PVP.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie You arent forced to play EVE you know... There is a button, just dont press it. You arent forced to comment on the forums either so address the topic or STFU, troll. oh boy I can't wait for the ignore poster button : D
Katrina Oniseki Caldari 0rizen 0rizen Nation	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:23:00 - [39] Originally by: San Severina Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. i agree & i don't see why so many people ITT feel there is something wrong with this perfectly sane approach to what is nothing more than an irrelevant, GPU hungry, vanity distraction from the real game. CQ not necessary for EvE, should be optional, not all of us want to participate in EvE barbies, it's not necessary for normal EvE gameplay, it doesn't matter a bit, so why are we being forced to use it to play the EvE we want? You know the EvE with spaceships & PVP. Well, CCP has said time and time again that EVE is not all about internet spaceships. That might be all it is right now, but that's not all they want it to be, nor intended it to be. Keep that in mind.
Ioci Gallente Space Mermaids	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:31:00 - [40] If you walk up to a wall and stick your face in it, then drag the camera around to look at your character, it zooms in really close and you get a whole screen full of bewbies. I'm happy
Maul555 Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.17 03:39:00 - [41] /signed The EVE Personality Test
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.17 04:06:00 - [42] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 17/06/2011 04:07:45 Originally by: Katrina Oniseki Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 17/06/2011 03:11:24 DAT FOREHEAD. MPB sucks but some guys can pull it off. Originally by: Maul555 Edited by: Maul555 on 17/06/2011 03:54:51 /signed I have been looking forward to incarna for 8 years now. I am disappointed that it is being forced in this unnatural way. Please CCP, keep the station environment... Incarna is to EVE what the Prequels were to Star Wars. Long anticipated but an utter disappointment when delivered.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.17 04:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. How can you get beta testers for WoD if you don't force Eve users into the code being tested.
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.17 04:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Katrina Oniseki Originally by: San Severina Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 16/06/2011 17:23:27 A single button on the hanger screen taking you to CQ and WIS. In short, an option not a requirement when you dock just to to change ships. i agree & i don't see why so many people ITT feel there is something wrong with this perfectly sane approach to what is nothing more than an irrelevant, GPU hungry, vanity distraction from the real game. CQ not necessary for EvE, should be optional, not all of us want to participate in EvE barbies, it's not necessary for normal EvE gameplay, it doesn't matter a bit, so why are we being forced to use it to play the EvE we want? You know the EvE with spaceships & PVP. Well, CCP has said time and time again that EVE is not all about internet spaceships. That might be all it is right now, but that's not all they want it to be, nor intended it to be. Keep that in mind. I think what they intend it to be and what it will be might be 2 different things & what they intend & what players want is another thing. Also what is the point of a CSM & these forums? We are told what we think matters, that the forums are monitored & players opinions count & shape future vision, the CSM is to be consulted & represents player interests & suggestions. But then we have changes like the player standings removed at the last moment with little or no warning, then partially re-instated & sold as a new feature! no movement on glaring problems with supercaps & balance issues or a myriad of other long promised fixes & tweaks or just follow up promises of features & changes implemented then never re-visited I do know that the reasons given for MT introduction with vanity items in CQ etc. don't really add up, for me they just rang untrue. more money to develop more content? Sounds like the money EvE already pulls in is being misused, but that is just my suspicion. people seem keen to point out that MT is popular with other MMO's. Firstly EvE is not other MMO's, that is it's main attraction for me, it's uniqueness. Second, most of those MMO's are F2P. But you cannot deny the volume of threads here voicing concern that EvE is heading into dangerous waters with MT and CQ not being optional, especially with big business like Nvidia & Sony now circling like sharks. We are just concerned EvE players, I love EvE & don't want to see it make mistakes I have seen a few other games I used to love make. I worry when I see the way the Dust exclusive announcement was handled, an interview I read with two senior CCP staff regarding that debacle was laughably obscurantist & befuddling. obviously there are hidden objectives & agreements, that's business I guess, but it certainly could be handled better by CCP. CCP can't tell us that we matter, that the players help decide how the game develops, implement the CSM with all it's fanfare & chew thru alot of player man hours devoted to the implementation of that circus, then fail to address honestly some serious & valid player concerns about game changing decisions made with little or no notice, feedback or consultation of any kind.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.19 06:43:00 - [45] Bump.
Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou	Posted - 2011.06.19 06:48:00 - [46] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Jartren you must be forced to interact with the enviroment. Otherwise it will die out. OH, OH NO NO! A worthless piece of crap 'feature' that serves only to bloat the install and cause clients to take up more ram is at risk of dying out because people don't want to use it. That would surely be a tragedy. Why don't you quit over it.
Ion Rubix	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane This is NOT about not wanting Incarna, or not wanting to leave our ships or being resistant to change. Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ. We just want Incarna to live up to itself by making sense. Capsuleers decanting every single time they dock even when they're just dropping off a item or reshipping does not make sense from an immersion and RP standpoint, nor from a gameplay design standpoint. Agreed. What's wrong with right clicking on a station and having 'Dock' AND 'Dock & Disembark'?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:41:00 - [48] CCP, give us our goddamn disembark button and let us keep the old hangar. I'm through asking for it. I think we should demand it. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus How can you get beta testers for WoD if you don't force Eve users into the code being tested. This. I mean, investing effort in Q&A is so not "cutting edge" and "AWESOME" ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.19 07:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Nuniki Must suck to be so dumb and resistant to change. I'm not a republican anymore Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Ion Rubix Agreed. What's wrong with right clicking on a station and having 'Dock' AND 'Dock & Disembark'? What's wrong with turning CQ off with the nice checkbox option that CCP has provided? Seriously, is that too much of an effort for you to go through to turn off Incarna? Damn talk about lazy ****s... I bet you have a rather hard time reaching the TV remote too.
Ion Rubix	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab What's wrong with turning CQ off with the nice checkbox option that CCP has provided? Seriously, is that too much of an effort for you to go through to turn off Incarna? Damn talk about lazy **s... I bet you have a rather hard time reaching the TV remote too. Erm... can you read much? Or has sitting your fat ass in front of the t.v with your remote ruined your eye sight? Quote: Those of us who object to the current implementation of CQ do want Incarna and do intend to use CQ**. My comment was more about increasing the sense of immersion that Incarna provides.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Patient 2428190 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus How can you get beta testers for WoD if you don't force Eve users into the code being tested. This. I mean, investing effort in Q&A is so not "cutting edge" and "AWESOME" Well, IT's NOT A LIE they are using INCARNA as an extremely obvious and gross testing ground for WOD MMO , the problem with CCP lately is they just too focused on this project of them, plus DUST plus their partners at White Wolf and making money and staying "current". They simply are , to me, trying to grasp at everything at the same time. Hope it doesnt collapse, I'm hesitant believing DUST will be successful, unless they planned dust from the start as a new way to drive "consolerros" into playing eve and hoping at least 10% of the consolerros end up playing here, else I don't really see a point in it in 6months it will be completely obsolete, specially being console only. To top that they launching this massive overhaul of their game with a game inside their game, called Incarna, and obviously, the guys implementing it don't really understand how a lot of players will get annoyed at the fact that docking at a base and in an environment that looks like crap dressed as reject clown school students, I mean, they probably don't even play the game ,to top that they then go to say most people "will get over it" which doesnt help much either I just hope everything will be finally polished to the point all goes smoothly and assume this is simply a first phase, where change is so obvious you get these huge reactions against it, but will all be for the better. I still have high hopes in Incarna and believe it will be very very good for eve, even if it turns out to be an NGE fiasco, I just love EVE too much, CCP will surely do what SWG didnt, they will backtrack and delete any offending content that destroyed the playerbase, I mean they are waaaay more clever than SOE. Yep I have high hopes that no matter what everything will be alright. yessir, everything will turn alright ... alright... AHHHH what the hell, stop the whining, no really, let the damn thing be installed, fume all you want, is coming in, no matter how loud you cry. EMO RAGE at Incarna barely sc****s the surface of the Torpedo Nerf affair or the first Wave of ECM Changes or the Carrier Nerf , or the DD nerf. I honestly with all my heart believe that that huge swathe of the playerbase that permalives in Empire arent even aware or care much for the incarna change to be honest. They the ones that keep this game alive. They dont care about anything here. And their combined wallet is bigger than your 10 alts and subs and multibox accounts and your dogs account too. So we will have RMT, Cash Shop, Shiny paintjobs, over 10 styles of jackets, dogs, cats, halos and holographic Pokemon wars in the Incarna bars. Last time I tried a semi scientific approach at the forums I concluded that barely a significant portion of the real playerbase even knows or posts or reads the official forums. It's kinda pointless to be honest. The more I researched the more I concluded you all can whine, cry, burn slaves or whatnot, and the only way a dev will even bother to reply to you is when they out of ideas for a new ship design and ask a couple of supposed know it alls to voice their opinions here, resulting in a not so great ship change a couple years back. Seriously guys, you might try to scream at a wall, at least you know it's there. Devs here totally try to AVOID the forums like the plague because they know they will get 10000 cries of FIX THIS, FIX THAT, you suck, you lamers you idiots and on on. Any sane person that tries to pool feedback on a community of a game will never reach the forums. It's like dipping you head in acid and then wondering why it burned. The most vocal and ardent naysayers are the ones that seem to cry the loudest. It's futile. --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:00:00 - [54] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 19/06/2011 09:00:47 Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT You do realize they are basically trying to integrate a completely different game into an already existing one, while at the same time making it accessable for the first ever cross platform/cross genre game ever to be released, right? Have you ever created a game that thousands of people are playing at any given time, let alone created a breakthrough in the gaming industry? And you don't seem to realise that from a developers point of view, forcing this new technology into a game as EVE and then making it replace an important component of the game is bordering on the imbecilic. EVE is a running game, in the past, even small alterations of the game 's functionality has caused game breaking bugs. This is because Singularity and Duality are not true representations Tranquility, its simply too large for that. There are bound to be hundreds, maybe thousands of players that will be unable to use the features produced by Incarna for the first weeks, in the worst case even months. To prevent people from playing CCP has given us a "temporary" option to not load the CQ and leave players on the loading screen (black screen) with the neocom. This is incredibly crude. I don't understand why CCP havn't thought of this sooner, especially since 3 years ago they damn well knew this and actually said it on their Walking in stations showcase. Making Incarna mandatory is a incredibly stupid design decision. And let me remind you one particular definition of design: DESIGN: A process of game development that if properly executed minimizes the risk of things going horribly wrong. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris CCP, give us our goddamn disembark button and let us keep the old hangar. I'm through asking for it. I think we should demand it. please transfer me your stuff and isk when you finally ragequit in a week or two thanks _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Brujo Loco Seriously guys, you might try to scream at a wall, at least you know it's there. Devs here totally try to AVOID the forums like the plague because they know they will get 10000 cries of FIX THIS, FIX THAT, you suck, you lamers you idiots and on on. Any sane person that tries to pool feedback on a community of a game will never reach the forums. It's like dipping you head in acid and then wondering why it burned. The most vocal and ardent naysayers are the ones that seem to cry the loudest. It's futile. They avoid the forums because the entirety of the CCP corporate culture is "Here's a rubix's cube, go now go f*** off and die." ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate please transfer me your stuff and isk when you finally ragequit in a week or two thanks No. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Chaos Incarnate please transfer me your stuff and isk when you finally ragequit in a week or two thanks No. even after i asked nicely? how rude _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:45:00 - [59] Incarna stealth docking games nerf c/d? ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.

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