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Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Loney on 17/06/2011 07:56:42 CDRD BOND - SALES OPEN (Sales will be closed as soon as servers go DOWN on patch day)
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[CDRD] CyberDyne R-D Research & Development, Investment:
CDRD is now offering BONDS to the entire EVE population at a price of 1 billon ISK per share. A total of 100 BONDS will been created in this phase. The current creation of these BONDS will allow pilots to invest their surplus ISK into CyberDyne R-D Corporation. This BOND is expected to produce a profit margin from 1-100%. Terms of the BOND will be 6 months maximum, with and early withdraw open at anytime. This is unlike any conventional IPO/BOND out there today; CDRD will guarantee you a 1% return in your investment. How can we be so bold? Please read on...
Investment Details:
[CDRD]CyberDyne R-D will be buying market items PRE-patch and selling them POST-patch. It can not get more simple! We will not disclose the items on our purchase list as this would affect the outcome of this investment. We have secured 100b ISK with the famous Chribba of Otherworld Enterprises to facilitate interest in this from Eve Investors and give piece of mind to those that might not be familliar with CyberDyne R-D Corporations and its operations (here). No shares will be issued ingame and BONDS are not transferable, unless approved by Loney of CDRD. BONDS can be returned at anytime after July 30th 2011, however if they are returned before the term end you will only get your Principal + 1% profit.
To purchase shares please follow these instructions carefully:
1) Transfer ISK to Ima Lotto of CyberDyne R-D with REASON of BOND. 2) Check this link for confirmation of your BOND purchase (here*). 3) ... 4) Profit!
*NOTE: This is NOT a lotto, im justusing the ticketing system. -edit: fixed some spelling. .
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Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:50:00 -
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Reserved .
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Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:50:00 -
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Reserved .
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 17/06/2011 07:58:43 Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 17/06/2011 07:57:29 For starters....
Chribba is holding 100b isk as collateral? If so, Chribba should post to confirm.
Edit: And also, why the hell would you do a bond like this? Worst case scenario you lose the entire 100b in bond money and Chribba pays back investors with the collateral. Best case scenario, you spend the 100b in bond money and make some isk/pay out interest.....which you could do with the 100b that Chribba is (supposedly) holding. No matter what the outcome is the same, except with the bond you are paying out interest. There is literally NO difference.
Edit 2: So really, you are JUST doing a bond for the sake of doing a bond. There is no upside to doing this bond for you.
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Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:12:00 -
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is the collateral Raw Isk? ___ iCandy Bonds
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Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Loney on 17/06/2011 08:26:37 -edit: added quote and PINK
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Chribba is holding 100b isk as collateral? If so, Chribba should post to confirm.
Im sure he will make a statement as soon as he gets to it.
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edit: And also, why the hell would you do a bond like this? Worst case scenario you lose the entire 100b in bond money and Chribba pays back investors with the collateral. Best case scenario, you spend the 100b in bond money and make some isk/pay out interest.....which you could do with the 100b that Chribba is (supposedly) holding. No matter what the outcome is the same, except with the bond you are paying out interest. There is literally NO difference.
The point of the BOND is to make ISK. You forget scenario #3 I run this Bond and use another 250b ISK for myself to make ISK.
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edit 2: So really, you are JUST doing a bond for the sake of doing a bond. There is no upside to doing this bond for you.
Your analysis is partialy correct, see scenario #3.
Originally by: Candy Oshea is the collateral Raw Isk?
Yes. Don't even bother to understand it, just invest or don't. .
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:56:00 -
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I could invest a couple of billions but I am confused.
Where are those "scenarions" you mention about?
Why is the prospectus so precise about how to send money but so vague about the real interest rate we may achieve? 1% is beyond low, but it's the only number I see.
I'd expect to see a guesstimate figure, just to know if I am to expect an order of magnitude of 2%, 5%, 10% or 20%.
You also don't mention the coupon terms. 1% (min) in total at the end of the bond? Or will you send monthly interests?
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:04:00 -
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Can you confirm my understanding.
The 1% return is not monthly. The only thing guaranteed is the 1% return. Therefore I could invest 10 billion ISK and have to wait 6 months to get my 10 billion back with 100 million profit.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.17 10:27:00 -
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1% interest?
Isk as collateral?
Using some spun lotto website to track 'ticket'
This bond's sole purpose is for OP to waive his d1ck around & brag. Also, OP your portrait looks like freddy mercury, think about it. _________________________________________________
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Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.17 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Loney This BOND is expected to produce a profit margin from 1-100%.
Why such vague profit margin?
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.06.17 15:22:00 -
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Bwahahahaha isk as collateral
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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elise DarkStar Bwahahahaha isk as collateral
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My browser. You broke it.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Loney
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edit: And also, why the hell would you do a bond like this? Worst case scenario you lose the entire 100b in bond money and Chribba pays back investors with the collateral. Best case scenario, you spend the 100b in bond money and make some isk/pay out interest.....which you could do with the 100b that Chribba is (supposedly) holding. No matter what the outcome is the same, except with the bond you are paying out interest. There is literally NO difference.
The point of the BOND is to make ISK. You forget scenario #3 I run this Bond and use another 250b ISK for myself to make ISK.
There is no scenario #3 because that other 250b doesn't have anything to do with the 100b bond or the 100b in collateral.
Originally by: Loney
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edit 2: So really, you are JUST doing a bond for the sake of doing a bond. There is no upside to doing this bond for you.
Your analysis is partialy correct, see scenario #3.
Since there is no scenario #3, then there is no reason to do this bond except for the sale of doing a bond. There are no benefits to you for running this bond.
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Loney
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edit: And also, why the hell would you do a bond like this? Worst case scenario you lose the entire 100b in bond money and Chribba pays back investors with the collateral. Best case scenario, you spend the 100b in bond money and make some isk/pay out interest.....which you could do with the 100b that Chribba is (supposedly) holding. No matter what the outcome is the same, except with the bond you are paying out interest. There is literally NO difference.
The point of the BOND is to make ISK. You forget scenario #3 I run this Bond and use another 250b ISK for myself to make ISK.
There is no scenario #3 because that other 250b doesn't have anything to do with the 100b bond or the 100b in collateral.
Originally by: Loney
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edit 2: So really, you are JUST doing a bond for the sake of doing a bond. There is no upside to doing this bond for you.
Your analysis is partialy correct, see scenario #3.
Since there is no scenario #3, then there is no reason to do this bond except for the sale of doing a bond. There are no benefits to you for running this bond.
You discount the benefits of E-Peen waving too fast.
Where's Chribba, and the patch notes for Incarna anyway?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:25:00 -
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Confirming that I have 100B as collateral and that I will keep note of investors which will be refunded in the event that OP's bond does not complete.
/c
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Rot Thun
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:05:00 -
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Just to be pedantically clear- Would it be true to state that: you are offering a minimum of 1% return on investment over a 6 month period, with a possibility of up to 100% return on investment over a 6 month period.
If that is the case, what determines what return rate your investors receive at the end of the 6 months?
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rot Thun Just to be pedantically clear- Would it be true to state that: you are offering a minimum of 1% return on investment over a 6 month period, with a possibility of up to 100% return on investment over a 6 month period.
If that is the case, what determines what return rate your investors receive at the end of the 6 months?
Rainbows and farts.
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Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:41:00 -
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Well I have plenty of isk lying around doing nothing while I'm essentially taking a break from eve so figured I'd give you some.
Then I thought, 'actually, I'd rather hold the collateral myself. I'll offer you that and see what happens'
Then I realised, that's totally pointless.. I'd just be swapping 50 bil with you and you'd then pay me some extra percentage at some date in the future. It makes no sense.
I've dealt with you before and I think you're a straight arrow but then I knew Ricdic better and thought the same about him. Had dealings with Cosmary and thought he was a good guy...
There are only two reasons for doing this: 1. You're hoping to get more in donations that the 100 bil. 2. You're just doing it for the sake of doing it.
If you're serious then feel free to create a private contract to me. 50 bil isk for 50 bil isk and I'll accept and then await the return from my investment. --------------------------------------
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:08:00 -
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Just to be cristal clear, the only one who can take benefit from this would be Chribba if the collateral is in liquid isk.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Ozeki Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:23:00 -
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Maybe lent ISK is more valuable than your own ISK?
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega Maybe lent ISK is more valuable than your own ISK?
How so?, please explain how could that be, I can't think of any way. Also it could be that Chribba is taking the risk, derivating the loan without collateral changing hands in exchange for a few billion fee.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:44:00 -
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What is this I don't even
I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches. |
Dretzle Omega
Caldari Ozeki Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Dretzle Omega Maybe lent ISK is more valuable than your own ISK?
How so?, please explain how could that be, I can't think of any way. Also it could be that Chribba is taking the risk, derivating the loan without collateral changing hands in exchange for a few billion fee.
I was joking...
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus How so?, please explain how could that be, I can't think of any way. Also it could be that Chribba is taking the risk, derivating the loan without collateral changing hands in exchange for a few billion fee.
lmao
i know sarcasm is hard to catch on the internet, but cmon, man
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Ariana DeSoto
Howling Penguin Research Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:51:00 -
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This makes no sense. You have the money for this project yet you want too borrow 100 billion so you can give away some random amount of ISK at the end of 6 months?
Let's cut through the BS and make this easy. How about if we pretend that I gave you 100 billion and at the end of 6 months you can send me an amount of ISK between 1-100%
I think my idea completely rocks and makes more sense.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus How so?, please explain how could that be, I can't think of any way. Also it could be that Chribba is taking the risk, derivating the loan without collateral changing hands in exchange for a few billion fee.
lmao
i know sarcasm is hard to catch on the internet, but cmon, man
I may be a little slow at this time in the day Anyways I'm fascinated by the enigma and maybe that's why I took it seriously (I mean, there are sometimes when borrowed money it's really more valuable than your own). I'm glad you laugh, I'm laughing now too.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Ozeki Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
I'm glad you laugh, I'm laughing now too.
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus (I mean, there are sometimes when borrowed money it's really more valuable than your own)
If your own is perhaps tied up elsewhere, earning better return or... Yah, I dunno. If you have idle ISK to stash away at zero return and borrow against for any return, you're making a loss.
Besides fail PR (Loney's a champ at this, in the ilk of me) then I dunno...
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Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:30:00 -
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From the posts above i will try to answers most questions:
1. To make things clear... Chribba is not benifiting from this in any way. 2. Fail PR indeed. 3. I will not be making a statement into why im doing this and will leave it up to everyone's imagination... but what I can tell you is that I will not be scaming for a mere 100B (or any amount for that mater). 4. I will be buying items for investment PRE-PATCH and selling them POST-PATCH. The Term will be 6 months maximum (though I don't see it taking nearly this long to sell all the items POST-PATCH) and it could be as short at 1 month if all the items sell quickly at a decent profit margin (though I don't see it happening this fast). However, I will be monitoring the market and potential happenings and estimate it will be around 3 months for the goods to reach maximum profits, unless there is a steady increase in potential profits. In any case I will most likely be making MONTHLY votes to take x% profit now or wait another month, every month up until 6 months where no matter what the margins are the BOND will be closed out. 5. The last patch with POS fuel I invested 100B and we all know how that turned out, hopefully this patch will be the same :)
Hope this clears up some things. .
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Ariana DeSoto
Howling Penguin Research Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Loney
Hope this clears up some things.
No, not really. Just send me a percentage of the profits in 6 months and call this offer closed.
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