Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

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Edited by: DiscomBoBulate on 21/06/2011 17:20:06

Originally by: Pyrus Octavius

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You get a FREE expansion, and it's taking a little longer than expected, and you want refund of lost game time? Fo' real? That's pretty fail logic.

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But I didn't want to buy this expansion. I liked the game the way it was.... Futhermore, we pay a monthly subscription so this patch isn't free. We must continue to subscribe, whereas other games where I can buy the disk and choose to purchase expansions I want or don't want.

And it is actually pretty logical. I am paying for play time. Due to CCP failure we are unable to play for a period of time that we paid for. In the real world if I give you money and you don't deliver a satisfactory good or service you refund the money. Please explain to me why that shouldn't apply to CCP?

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Originally by: Ach4t1us

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woohooo i can't play eve for one day.... woohooo i want my 0,67 euros back woohooo

think about it

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Originally by: Evil Stare

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Originally by: Simon Pieman

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I'd like t know what ccp ****ed up for the downtime to be another 2 hours? seems like i wont be able to play at all tonight, will we get a refund of game time?

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So translucent, vitamin D deficient, basement dwellers such as yourself, can finally go out and de-pastie themselves. I'd imagine you looking something like the librarian vampire in the first blade movie.

As an aside, you people who complain about the extended downtime each and every time there is a patch or update, I thank you. The level of internet weeping that the EVE community has achieved, has not let me down. As I sit here at work, reading all these wonderful, tear filled posts about, refunds and free skill points, I can only think of what a great day today truly is. Thank you all again.

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Originally by: Ach4t1us

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Originally by: Estherenza

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Originally by: Ach4t1us

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woohooo i can't play eve for one day.... woohooo i want my 0,67 euros back woohooo

think about it

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Ok, it might be .67 Euro's or 50 cents, whatever... Eve is ALWAYS down longer than they say they will be and if you add up all the downtime over the time you're a player (I've been here since '07) that time/money can really add up...

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We get free skill points once and anyway did you ever noticed how many money you are wasting while you are asleep, or at work, or even...... :O or even don't want to play EvE.

And in addition to other MMO'S where nothing happens when you not play in Eve your Skillqeue, industrial jobs, and reasearch jobs still go on.
Oh and if anyone will lose his POS cause of the lack of fuel, you could have fueled it before patch deployment

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Originally by: Pax Timberlane

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Edited by: Pax Timberlane on 21/06/2011 17:38:45
MOAR patch day emo tears! I need moar to power my reactor! Seriously, if you're getting your panties all up in bunch because you can't play a video game, you seriously need to re-evaluate your life or lack therof.

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Originally by: Fy'nite

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not sure if this is allowed but for all of you who want something to do while u wait i give you this linky to a grt pew pew game:) yarr [url="http://http://battlefield.play4free.com

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Originally by: Drund Thurison

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Originally by: Tony Star

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Originally by: Pyrus Octavius

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You get a FREE expansion, and it's taking a little longer than expected, and you want refund of lost game time? Fo' real? That's pretty fail logic.

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AH Hmm - I don't recall asking for this (or wanting it either)

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Independent of you asking for it, you agreed to it. Section 10, topic D, subsection iii of your EULA you agreed to in order to play the game.

Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

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But I didn't want to buy this expansion. I liked the game the way it was.... Futhermore, we pay a monthly subscription so this patch isn't free. We must continue to subscribe, whereas other games where I can buy the disk and choose to purchase expansions I want or don't want.

And it is actually pretty logical. I am paying for play time. Due to CCP failure we are unable to play for a period of time that we paid for. In the real world if I give you money and you don't deliver a satisfactory good or service you refund the money. Please explain to me why that shouldn't apply to CCP?

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And to you I would like to point out the earlier mentioned entry in combination with section 12, paragraph 3. Yes you have paid for play time, but obviously written in the EULA it indicates that th eservice is available most of the time and states that it will not always be available. If you feel you are not getting your money's worth you are free to stop playing. People really need to understand what they agree to and stop whining.

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Originally by: xXKIMELXx

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Ok, the heck with you folks complaining about downtime, I just want to make sure my updates are compatible. I tried to log in today and it said "Incompatible Version"..no problem, so i did what everyone else does, go look up the latest patch right. Wrong, it wouldnt let me do it, nor does it acknowledge that I was puting it in the right folder. Whats up with that?,,some feedback would be nice right about now, thanks.
KiMEL

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Originally by: Ithiria Deritan

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and I'd note to you the Expected to be completed that that it will be 100% sure to be completed by 1700

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Originally by: AkaiDruiD II

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Originally by: Ach4t1us

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woohooo i can't play eve for one day.... woohooo i want my 0,67 euros back woohooo

think about it

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THINK about this...
4wks, total of 2wks of updates+server problems+downloading more crap = HALF of my subscription, more than w/e a fkin euro is ;P

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Originally by: Von Raberg

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Originally by: Fy'nite

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Originally by: CRUTA OMEGA

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I been twiddling my thumbs all day even took a day of work. I hope we get the time in terms of this extended downtime back off our game time......

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lol ive done that before..and ive learnt one thing..take the day off after patch day:D

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True... i did it that way this time and i'm happy about it ;)

Keep the add ons charge free CCP - keep the quality and i am happy. A few hours of waiting more or less... i dont care.

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Originally by: Simon Pieman

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Originally by: Estherenza

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Originally by: Ithiria Deritan

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and I'd note to you the Expected to be completed that that it will be 100% sure to be completed by 1700

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Yes, yes... I know... Honestly I'm just here to troll the other trolls for fun until DT is over... Any side can be argued, I just like to fight for the losing side... o.O

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Your my hero, i think i love you

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Originally by: 12 manbrawl Ormand

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Thank you drund, for being smarter that everyone else on this forum. If you people would shut up and understand that CCP is probably doing the best they can to get the update done as soon as possible. I'd bet if you werent posting all the hate comments, CCP would actualy answer some of our questions and let us know what's going wrong. Who knows, I'm betting it's not even their fault they probably had technical issues.

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Originally by: Jack Lad

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Now if this was World of Warcraft we would all be queing at the shop for the expansion to the game and part with yet another 35 bucks to install it, then when we got it all installed we would have to put up and shut up with what we had got, but this is Eve online we are talking about here we pay nothing and we will be able to get the software as soon as its released and install all from the comfort of the armchair and no need to que up in the rain waiting for the darn shop to open. Yet it seems people are still whinging about they have lost 1 buck of their game time.......Sigh

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Originally by: Simon Pieman

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Originally by: Drund Thurison

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Originally by: Simon Pieman

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LOL NERD ALERT!!!!!

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I freely admit to being a nerd. More important I'm a network administrator, and as one it is vital to read the EULA of every piece of software used on a company's network. That way you are aware of and can plan for every single way a software company will try to limit or screw you for your use of their software on your network.

The people that do not read them are just looking to get screwed over later on when they try to react to something they have already agreed to.

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Dude get over yourself i bet your mum's really proud of you but tbh i couldnt give a flying **** what you do, so just bore on admin man.lol

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Originally by: Katie Solette

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wow a buck some people will cry about antything they can't control i just happy it not like some games that charge you for down loading it and a nother charge to play the new stuff in game.

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Originally by: Tag Hawthorn

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Can I haz cheeseburger now? =^.^=

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Originally by: Tara Nighthawk

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Quote:

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Graphics

Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled.

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What does this mean please? Is (or was) this an optional setting before?
Are we talking about perspective effects or the way things become less distinct with distance?


Second point - 957MB


My ISP is going to go nuts this month

I suppose there is going to be huge demand once they restart - with pathetic download speeds as a result


Last point - it was suggested elsewhere that the new Captain's Quarters were only available for Minmatar. Admittedly they have crap-looking ships so this might be fair, but I am hoping all races get the CQ right away?

Will these be customised for each race? Will there be an option to turn off that damned Gregorian Chant in Amarr CQs?

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Originally by: Alpha Centaris

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I was wondering if anybody downloaded the new patch yet, or is it even available for downloading? I tried to manually download it and I'm not seeing the new build on the list

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Originally by: Norbert Hauler

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To be fair, downtime apart... ALL the upgrades from CCP are free.
Some companies would charge you for the privilege. The whiners should stop whining.. the experienced players should accept it !
A MAJOR upgrade always takes longer than CCP says...

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Originally by: superNuts

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*superNuts poops his pants

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Originally by: FangVV

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Originally by: Estherenza

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Originally by: Norbert Hauler

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To be fair, downtime apart... ALL the upgrades from CCP are free.
Some companies would charge you for the privilege. The whiners should stop whining.. the experienced players should accept it !
A MAJOR upgrade always takes longer than CCP says...

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Again, the upgrades are NOT all free, new items will be placed on a new market using a new currency that for the most part can only be bought with real money... That is NOT free...

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Well, I doubt very much whether those items will be critical to your ability to play the game or, for that matter, give anybody an advantage (ok, so a funky new hair style may distract your PvP opponent), so I don't see how this makes the patch NOT free. Nobody's forcing you to buy the stuf, which is cosmetic anyway, and it's not as if the whole market is being switched over to the new economy ...

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Originally by: Rogue Hakoke

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Originally by: superNuts

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*superNuts poops his pants

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Don't worry friend i to have pooped my pants... and i will poop them again b4 the game comes back up
though i do have gunnery 5 chugging as u can tell im a noob though im activley de-noobing myself

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Originally by: rampro

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Edited by: rampro on 21/06/2011 19:30:43
will my mid range cpu work with eve on low to med settings or is it a must that i have to upgrade

also poker would be wicked when its released

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Originally by: FangVV

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As long as whatever is being charged for is optional and does not give someone an advantage in gameplay then I have no problem with it so if shiny graphics comes at a price but has no impact on my ability to actually play the game then, sure, charge for it.

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Originally by: JC Anderson

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Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/06/2011 19:44:04

Originally by: Estherenza

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Originally by: rampro

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Edited by: rampro on 21/06/2011 19:30:43
will my mid range cpu work with eve on low to med settings or is it a must that i have to upgrade

also poker would be wicked when its released

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W/O looking at your specific system, it's hard to say, but if your pc was bought in the last year or two your probably good on at least med to med-high settings, possibly even high as long as you're not using shared memory resources.

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I ran a test recently and the one thing that confused me is that it seemed to have run BETTER on older hardware than it does on new. Ran tests from multiple machines.. The link below is to the lower end pc results. Hardware about 4 years old.

Test on duality, FRAPS footage - Includes docking to time it, and walking from ship platform to the inner quarters.

1920x1080 with all graphics options Max'ed out. AA+HDR enabled. Sound & Music also recorded for testing.
Specs:
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 CPU on Vista x64 OS
4GB RAM
NVIDIA GTX260 Video card

File Link
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/JCA/dualitytest.wmv

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Originally by: FangVV

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Originally by: Estherenza

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Originally by: FangVV

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As long as whatever is being charged for is optional and does not give someone an advantage in gameplay then I have no problem with it so if shiny graphics comes at a price but has no impact on my ability to actually play the game then, sure, charge for it.

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-1 it's thinking like this that killed Final Fantasy online for me, "who cares if it looks like crap as long as they can play it...?". The players care...

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Then the players pay. By your argument, no-one should ever have to pay for a new graphics card then ...

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Originally by: LorenzoEDGE

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Originally by: ButterFlavor

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Originally by: Mina Avatar

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Originally by: ButterFlavor

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Heck fire! I'm gonna poop my pants!

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Enough with the pants pooping already!

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Little girl, I'll poop in your mouth!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w

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Originally by: rampro

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problem is i failed and bought a small case so upgrading my gfx card is somewhat hard , i have one its ok but not listing it for the space nerds to tear me a new one for not having a great gfx card , so a cpu upgrade is probably what i will be needing...

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Originally by: JC Anderson

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I was thinking that it could possibly be driver issues as well. I was actually going to be reformatting/reinstalling everything on one of the newer PC's this week already. Going to try testing performance again at that point.

You hear a lot of people with newer hardware complain about the performance of Incarna when it was on Duality and SiSi. Most of the reasons I could think of are all driver related... But unsure.

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Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

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Originally by: Drund Thurison

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Originally by: Tony Star

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Originally by: Pyrus Octavius

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You get a FREE expansion, and it's taking a little longer than expected, and you want refund of lost game time? Fo' real? That's pretty fail logic.

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AH Hmm - I don't recall asking for this (or wanting it either)

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Independent of you asking for it, you agreed to it. Section 10, topic D, subsection iii of your EULA you agreed to in order to play the game.

Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

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But I didn't want to buy this expansion. I liked the game the way it was.... Futhermore, we pay a monthly subscription so this patch isn't free. We must continue to subscribe, whereas other games where I can buy the disk and choose to purchase expansions I want or don't want.

And it is actually pretty logical. I am paying for play time. Due to CCP failure we are unable to play for a period of time that we paid for. In the real world if I give you money and you don't deliver a satisfactory good or service you refund the money. Please explain to me why that shouldn't apply to CCP?

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And to you I would like to point out the earlier mentioned entry in combination with section 12, paragraph 3. Yes you have paid for play time, but obviously written in the EULA it indicates that th eservice is available most of the time and states that it will not always be available. If you feel you are not getting your money's worth you are free to stop playing. People really need to understand what they agree to and stop whining.

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So when your boss tells you that he "expects" you to finish a project by a certain deadline and you don't what usually happens? When a construction project is expected to finish by a certain date and doesn't what happens? When you are expected to show up in court for not paying your child support and you don't show up what happens? (I know you have issues with this). There are consequences when you fail to meet expectations. Please tell me what is the result of failed expectations with this game?

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Originally by: Ballistix

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Is the client end patch available anywhere whilst we wait for the service to come back up?

B

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Originally by: Pixx Harmon

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Originally by: 12 manbrawl Ormand

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Edited by: 12 manbrawl Ormand on 21/06/2011 20:14:15
Gunner, for the last time, you agreed to it in the EULA. Like Drund said. Now stop complaining about pocket change.

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The complaints are because CCP does patches like McDonald's does their drive through. You wait longer then you should, you have people getting special orders instead of going inside and when you finally get there you order a number four with a coke and you end up with a number three with a diet coke... But you've experienced this pretty much every time you've used the drive through and yet still complain...

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Originally by: Stoffer2

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Edited by: Stoffer2 on 21/06/2011 20:23:59
hi guys whats the time difference between utc and cet at the moment? summertime considered and all that
?

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Originally by: LorenzoEDGE

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downtime extended to 23:30 UTC

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Originally by: BigSticky Nuggets

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I don't know what you are all complaining about, this is awesome I always thought to myself you know Eve is great...but how can we get it to be more like second life....Well incarna to the rescue! I can't wait I wanna be a vampire!

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Originally by: Ma Chan

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Originally by: Estherenza

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DT is NOT extended to 23:30, according to: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

"EVE Online: Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. The database updates are taking longer than expected, and therefore the downtime has been extended. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 21:30 UTC. Thank you for your understanding."

As you can see the status has not changed from the last update, it's still 21:30 UTC...

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watch the dev incarna thread, theyre giving step by step updates and the last one was extension too 2330

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Originally by: Kerppe Krulli

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Edited by: Kerppe Krulli on 21/06/2011 20:39:19

Originally by: Ma Chan

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Originally by: Estherenza

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DT is NOT extended to 23:30, according to: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

"EVE Online: Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. The database updates are taking longer than expected, and therefore the downtime has been extended. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 21:30 UTC. Thank you for your understanding."

As you can see the status has not changed from the last update, it's still 21:30 UTC...

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watch the dev incarna thread, theyre giving step by step updates and the last one was extension too 2330

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weet, 2hrs 15 mins longer DT after the 21:30 DT and I'll win the pot!

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Originally by: carrie Aulmais

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for those of you who are moaning i would like to see you got in to there severs and install incarna single handed so why not give them a break and let them do there job in stead of moaning

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Originally by: maczz

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http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4629&tid=1

EVE Online: Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. Database updates took longer than expected, and have performed additional updates to a level one mission arc. This has resulted in an extended downtime. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 23:30 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.

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Originally by: Drund Thurison

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Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

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So when your boss tells you that he "expects" you to finish a project by a certain deadline and you don't what usually happens? When a construction project is expected to finish by a certain date and doesn't what happens? When you are expected to show up in court for not paying your child support and you don't show up what happens? (I know you have issues with this). There are consequences when you fail to meet expectations. Please tell me what is the result of failed expectations with this game?

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I'm sorry to inform you that these situations are not identical. Allow me to elaborate.

Firstly when a person becomes employed by a place of business often times they are the ones to have to sign the terms, not the employer. This is diametrically opposite of the client/service, since the receiver of the money has to do the signing. The employer has not signed a form that allows the provider of the work to change the deadline as they need. If the employee fails at meeting deadline it is within the employer's right to terminate employment, as you are free to stop paying CCP for their service.

When a construction company takes on a job they sign a contract setting a legally reinforced completion date. If it is not completed the company is dropped from the contract without being paid. Again here the receiver of the money is the primary signer of the agreement, with the hiring body signing merely to say the company will be paid upon completion.

As for your third example, since it both is a feeble attempt at a personal attack and not a cash for service situation, I do not feel obligated to explain it to you.

What we have with an EVE Online account has a very distinct difference with the above situations: You are both the one to sign the agreement and the one supplying money. If you do not like the results you are free to move on to a different game, as the boss would hire a new employee or the hiring body would hire a new construction company. What you have not seemed to grasp is that you do not have control of CCP at all. You are the one that agreed to their terms, not the other way around. As such, you can be as angry as you feel justified, but it will not make a single difference because you are bound to that agreement whether to read it or not. You scrolled to the bottom and clicked accept. Therefore, you can either accept the delay or move on to another game.

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Originally by: TTPmaverick

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now this is runing in to usa playing time GOOD about time they got a bit of pain

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Originally by: C0SMIC GIRL

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Originally by: Estherenza

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DT is NOT extended to 23:30, according to: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

"EVE Online: Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. The database updates are taking longer than expected, and therefore the downtime has been extended. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 21:30 UTC. Thank you for your understanding."

As you can see the status has not changed from the last update, it's still 21:30 UTC...

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Downtime HAS been extended to 23:30, if you look at the eve main site homepage you will see for yourself..... sorry for ****ing on your bonfire matey :)

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Originally by: superNuts

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Edited by: superNuts on 21/06/2011 20:51:41
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asphttp://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

for me it still says 21:30
anyone got that dev incarna link

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Originally by: Drund Thurison

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Originally by: Estherenza

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But you still get the -1 for not wanting some kind of compensation and just accepting that because it's in your EULA that "That's just the way it is..."

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I'm not saying I'd turn down some form of compensation for the time. We all would appreciate it if CCP were to hand out some game time or skill points or whatever. The point I try to make is that demanding or threatening to leave is a fruitless endeavor.

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Originally by: Vedanul

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Hey people, WE will install Incarna 1.0 21 June 2011 starting at 11.00, it will take 5 days to install.
... 12 hours later: WE worked so hard for you guys and we installed Incarna 1.0 in 10 hours, and we took a 2 hours coffee break ...you can now log in and play Eve ...


....A smart story from Vedanul

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Originally by: kingbilly

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the graphics are one of the first things that made me buy the game ,got the free trail and almost instantly paid for a sub ,little did i know what a demon this game was to be for my spare time.

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Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

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Originally by: Drund Thurison

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Originally by: Noxia Filmore

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not too be a stickler on your point, but, 100,000 people multiplied by $15 a month, is $1.5 million, not 15k

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20 people in forum multiplied by 50 people per person in forum is 1,000 people. 1,000 people times $15 per month is $15,000.

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What you are forgetting is that there are only actually 1000 people that play EVE, all the rest of the characters are simply alts.

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Originally by: Zaltaz

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well great...... I downloaded the update and now it failed to patch. Tried again. Failed again. Tried running repair.exe. Failed to repair

CCP!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Genoir

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Originally by: Estherenza

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Originally by: kingbilly

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the graphics are one of the first things that made me buy the game ,got the free trail and almost instantly paid for a sub ,little did i know what a demon this game was to be for my spare time.

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An Eve addiction is a beautiful thing (except during down time, then it's like trying to disarm a bomb with ravenous wolves trying to break through your front door to eat you, lol). I get my fix in T-Minus 2 minutes...

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I wouldn't bet on that fix, server not accepting connections.

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Originally by: La Port Royale

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I started to play this game a while back now. And the first thing that totally got me hooked was the playerbase. Dedicated, smart and very creative and patient. (some times ahev to due to 23day skills to train)

But all that seems to disapear the moment devs keep us posted on the progress of business. CCP put alot of effort in alot of cool(and less cool) stuff this week. The finals of the tournament, all around the world fan/business days. Fought off several attacks via the net. refitting eve components, forums and redid evegate.

Compared to the screaming little children i left behind in WOW and others. Nothing seems different reading most of the comments this week. Yes is has been a ****ty week for all of us, CCP and players alike. But people nagging, or even trying to rally others to quit eve. Just because they have to wait for improvements ? Kinda strikes me odd knowing Eve like I do.

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