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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:34:00 -
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Do you have advice on how to sucessfully engage and destroy a T3 1v1 (in a timely manner; under 5 minutes)
Assume we're in a belt.
Assume you can field any ship under 200mil.
Assume that the T3 is buffer or active tanked.
(is this even possible?).
If anyone has direct experience doing this, please reply.
Also if you say "Neut domi", plz outline the fit and engagement tactics.
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Lando Storm
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:08:00 -
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Just like with everything in EVE " It depends "
if its an active tank a nueting Domi with webs may be able to do it
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Coffin Fodder
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Coffin Fodder on 17/06/2011 19:09:48
If facing a 1M ehp setup, not gonna happen. Generally speaking however, a cookie cutter nano-curse should suffice. It will take a few minutes, especially if they are buffer fit but you should manage. Obviously passive shield tanked tengus are off limits and even an active one may pose problems for you. I have found the nano-cane fairly effective against active tanked tengu's. The dual medium neuts kill off their cap stability and then they just die. Buffer tengu's are pretty much untouchable 1v1, just too much EHP, shield recharge, dps and range to really go after solo. Not saying you should try though, both a curse and a nano-cane should be able to retreat if it doesn't go well thanks to neuts.
I do find it a little odd that you are asking about t3's specifically. Most belt ratters use BC's or BS's. And in that sitation it's pretty much the same deal. Attack all but you probably won't be successful against any passive shield tanked missile boats. I'd also add the domi to the do not touch list, it could always be a neut domi and those will rip either the curse or the nano-cane up.
Edit: King Rothgar here if anyone cares.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:10:00 -
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It would depend on which TIII, how it is fit, and how competent the pilot is. You could kill it with a Battlecruiser.
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:22:00 -
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Right - so it boils down to nanocane, neut domi or bhaal if i want to spend the isk...
how does a nanocane fare against a brick/active proteus?
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Manda Rin
Minmatar
Sexy Thoughts
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:55:00 -
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While this is a terribly vague discussion, you don't need anything that fancy. An active taked Brutix could do it. But again.... it depends on the fit and the players skill.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:11:00 -
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If it's active tanked and not a missile spammer, use a dual med neut Hurricane. Other option is Myrmidon but I'd probably go for that option if he was buffer fit. Might be able to do it with a nice Sac set up as well depending what it is.
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Roosterton
Psychotic Delusions
Enemy-Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 17/06/2011 20:11:59
Tengu: Pin it down with lots of webs, neut it, and DPS it with a Domi/Typhoon.(Pinning it down is the hard part, though, 100MN ab fits might be able to escape)
Laserlegion: Curse/Pilgrim, stop it from hitting you, neut its lasers out, and bleed it to death.
HAMlegion: Any decently tanked kiting ship, which will force it to use javelin HAMs and do negligible DPS. (or laugh in his face if he didn't bring javelin HAMs.) Use a Curse to neut it out if it has an active tank.
Proteus: Long range short scram makes this tricky. I'd roll with a Curse that has a RF/Domination point, being very sure to keep him neuted, TD'd, and >23km away at all times. Proteuses can be ridiculously tanked, so this might take longer than 5mins.
Loki: Neut Domi against a webbing armor fit (Making his webs as pointless as possible) or Curse vs. a kiting fit (to pin him down/stop him from hitting you.)
Edit: And yes, I like my Curses. 
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Iggy Stooge
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:01:00 -
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Myrmidon can do it.
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:01:00 -
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the thing is that a myrmidon can't... look at the video i linked. its a 3triple web myrm with 2x armor reps and without it dies in a fire.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 17/06/2011 22:17:21
It's also fighting a Tengu + Drake.
Ed: Wait what? Yeah, it's a Myrm + Basi it looks like vs a Tengu + Drake. Without the extra DPS from the Drake the Myrm would totally **** over the Tengu.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Loraine Gess on 17/06/2011 22:17:29
Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
the thing is that a myrmidon can't... look at the video i linked. its a 3triple web myrm with 2x armor reps and without it dies in a fire.
Basi + Myrm V Abbadon Tengu Manticore Drake
Also
Shield logi for armor myrm = fantastic idea
EDIT: Watched the video and... it KILLS the tengu. What the **** are you complaining about
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 17/06/2011 22:23:22
Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
the thing is that a myrmidon can't... look at the video i linked. its a 3triple web myrm with 2x armor reps and without it dies in a fire.
OK, I watched the video. I don't know how you can link that as an example with a straight face Myrm kills it before dying, WTF is wrong with you? 
EDIT: It's situational, not much more to discuss here without being vague and meaningless. If you wan't to use video's as a reference go look up Prometheus Exenthals last video to see him killing a TIII in a Brutix (although I think it was a Proteus).
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:55:00 -
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i had cap transfer and rr - without it i would melt.
the drake/abaddon came in when the video started, i was already dying at that point.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
i had cap transfer and rr - without it i would melt.
the drake/abaddon came in when the video started, i was already dying at that point.
That was you?
I don't think there is anything more for me to say here.
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:06:00 -
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so you think the video proves that a myrm can kill a tengu 1v1 without rr?
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sergiiy Kortos
so you think the video proves that a myrm can kill a tengu 1v1 without rr?
Obviously not. I think the video proves you are clueless.
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:25:00 -
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right - thats why i'm asking "how do i kill a t3 in a sub 200m t1".
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Hazel Starr
Krypteia Brotherhood
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:41:00 -
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It is certainly possible to take out low-sec unprobable mission running Tengus/Loki's
in a couple of circumstances,
a) As they dock/undock with appropriately positioned sniper fit Tempest/Machariel
b) As they cross gates with a BlackOps BS
However more general PVP fit ships are a different matter,
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I likegirls
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:50:00 -
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If it is in 0.0 how about a doomsday with a titan?
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Cal Stantson
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Posted - 2011.06.18 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cal Stantson on 18/06/2011 04:41:11
Can't see why you couldn't kill most buffer Proteus with a Vagabond. It'll take a while, so it's not all that realistic, but it should work eventually.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:30:00 -
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neut domi
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Manda Rin
Minmatar
Sexy Thoughts
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake
neut domi
How many stabs should he put on that?
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Devil tiger
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Posted - 2011.06.18 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Devil tiger on 18/06/2011 07:54:28
A curse with two med neuts and any other ship as dps support will usually do just fine.
It might take a bit too long for the curse alone to kill that neutered Tengu.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.06.18 08:18:00 -
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Curse kill tengu... ofc. 
Generally - properly fitted and piloted t3 will kill any ship you can get under 200mil. You can try it as most people are incompetent, best bet would be bc/bs with alot of webs and neuts.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.18 09:03:00 -
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This thread is an odd way of bragging.
And wow, you have a TERRIBLE overview/overall UI setup
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
And wow, you have a TERRIBLE overview/overall UI setup
not to mention flying
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:28:00 -
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yea, i'm terrible.
i want to become less terrible though.
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Curse kill tengu... ofc.
Generally - properly fitted and piloted t3 will kill any ship you can get under 200mil. You can try it as most people are incompetent, best bet would be bc/bs with alot of webs and neuts.
Curse can probably take on most tech 3s tbh, tengu would be the toughest.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:05:00 -
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I use an AC & neut phoon, works well but proteus/legion tanky fits can still take aaages at kill, but luckily once caught they can't do a lot except sit and die.
Scram, web and neut the crap out of them, then open a few km range and limit their transversal as much as possible.
Tengus die very quickly with RFEMP ammo once the hardeners are shut down. Purely passive recharge fits will probably take a lot longer, but I haven't come across one yet, so can't confirm how long they take to die.
Shield lokis melt reasonably quickly, armour lokis can be quite nasty though, you need to rely on your huge battleship ehp and you will probably lose 2/3 or your armour buffer before they die.
In all cases getting the initial tackle is the hardest part if you're solo as it takes bloody ages to lock a T3 in a battleship. A disposable alt / corpmember goes a long way 
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Fighter26
Orion's Fist
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:08:00 -
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This week me in a geddon and two friends in bc's poped a Loki and Tengu... the key is capacitor, in this case we successfully neuted out the Loki to slow his ass down and then worked on the Tengu. So I guess a good fit would involve a battleship and neuts, possibly with a suicide thorax as tackler at beginning of fight?
Why do you need to 1v1 a t3 anyway? If it is in low or 0.0 sec it would not be hard to get 2 or 3 other ships to help curbstomp the thing.
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Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto we Sizwe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cannibal Kane on 20/06/2011 08:37:11
Edited by: Cannibal Kane on 20/06/2011 08:36:41
Edited by: Cannibal Kane on 20/06/2011 08:36:10
I was lucky...
1v1 Harbinger vs a Tengu
Still new and wanted to see what my 425mm Projetile on my Harby with insane buffer could do.
Flipped a can flippers can and he engaged me with a Tengu. I think I was very lucky he had a shyte fit.
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Soldarius
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:54:00 -
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Sweet Jesus, that has to be the worst Tengu fit ever. What exactly was he intending to use all that cap recharge for? And a covert sub and passive targeter for can flipping? I feel sick.
Two words: Sensor Dampeners. He can't kill what he can't lock. Unless its a Tengu carrying FoF (lol) missiles. Use a Lachesis. You can damp the T3 down to almost nothing and then kite him from outside his locking range while keeping him pinned down with double range warp disruptor.
Originally by: Krutoj
You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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John Sinak
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:06:00 -
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BlinDeamon
Asteroid Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.06.21 22:42:00 -
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Depends on how good the T3 fit is:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=12915617
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Ben Dourion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:29:00 -
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triple rep myrmidon with AC and cap charges can do it , at least for a tengu
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:18:00 -
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triple myrm with no neuts?
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