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Pawnee
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pawnee on 20/06/2011 09:02:14
It is easy to kick metagamers from a sportsevent, if you want to. (this should have been an answer on the rules thread from the kil2 ***got... )
Sports is often about some kind of honor and aggreement not to step over a certain line. And like you see here, too, the metagamers define their way of honor very different to the rest of the crowd. So they start bragging about it, especially in Eve they try to grief players, who lost against them. Overall they say more than would be good for them, if there was somebody judging it. In RL countries, who have a big Mafia problem and want to fight against it, they make special Anti-Mafia laws. So if Mafia play by the rule, but everybody knows, they did a big crime, becuase the rules had a loopwhole, the Anti-Mafia rule kicks in.
So an easy solution to get rid of some of the metagaming mob, we saw this year, would be banning Hydra and kil2 from the alliance tournament. Though if you deal with mobster behavior, you have to make it not so obvious. Let them first think, they get away with what they did here and train with their notorious characters for the next tournament. Then, when it is too late to change for new characters, do the anti-mafia cleansing.
Unfortunately, if you look at RL sports and cheaters there, it is barely working this way. It tends to go more the other way. We will see next year even more metagaming and the tournament will end up to be something like Tour de France, just a farce with some stupid freaks, who think, they are the coolest kids in the world.
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:45:00 -
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oh shut up ----
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:46:00 -
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which sport is it that is free of upsets and cheating scandals?
lawn bowls maybe. nobody watches that. wonder if there is a link.
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Grunp Trek
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:46:00 -
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Noone's had a problem with PL, or any of the myriad of other alliances that do this, so please shut up and get out.
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:13:00 -
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Not entirely sure how it was a scandal. Two very close teams who helped each other out and practiced together for hundreds of hours both, deservedly, got to the final. They were the best two teams of the tourney, so they both deserved a place in the final. 0utbreak knew how much the Gold Medal meant to Hydra and so rather than being ****s and turning on them right at the end of all their hard work together, they gave them match for all the help Hydra had given them to get to where they were.
I can't beleive I wasted so many words on such a moronic thread. Cry more etc etc ----
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Dust Fourtwenty
Dust 515
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Fourtwenty on 20/06/2011 12:17:20 Leave the entire 'metagaming' buzzword aside for a moment and think about this:
The foolproof way to win the tournament was to win every match. Every alliance that entered had a shot at this. |
voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Fourtwenty Edited by: Dust Fourtwenty on 20/06/2011 12:17:20 Leave the entire 'metagaming' buzzword aside for a moment and think about this:
The foolproof way to win the tournament was to win every match. Every alliance that entered had a shot at this.
Except outbreak was a proxy team for Hydra which basicly meant you had to beat Hydra twice to win.
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Grunp Trek
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon
Originally by: Dust Fourtwenty Edited by: Dust Fourtwenty on 20/06/2011 12:17:20 Leave the entire 'metagaming' buzzword aside for a moment and think about this:
The foolproof way to win the tournament was to win every match. Every alliance that entered had a shot at this.
Except outbreak was a proxy team for Hydra which basicly meant you had to beat Hydra twice to win.
Not really, different FC's, different pilots, different experiences.
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grunp Trek
Originally by: voiddragon
Originally by: Dust Fourtwenty Edited by: Dust Fourtwenty on 20/06/2011 12:17:20 Leave the entire 'metagaming' buzzword aside for a moment and think about this:
The foolproof way to win the tournament was to win every match. Every alliance that entered had a shot at this.
Except outbreak was a proxy team for Hydra which basicly meant you had to beat Hydra twice to win.
Not really, different FC's, different pilots, different experiences.
Why don't you go read the post by Duncan? He even admitted that they decided on creating multiple teams in the tournament to boost the number of people who practised with them on the test server and even talked about how PL could be fielding 3 teams.
The fact is, everyone tries to argue that they fought hard for their position in that tournament, but with 2 teams on the field they fought half as hard as a regular participant.
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Blacko Bellamy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Creepy Goat oh shut up
He is right. You have obviously no arguments against it. The best way to deal with cheaters: Watch them, let them feel save and take them out of the game before they land the next coup and do even more damage to the reputation of CCP. It can not be in the interest of CCP to let this happen again.
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Joan Deplume
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:14:00 -
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They have done thousands of us a favour. AT is a joke and now we don't have to worry about it anymore. I wont that's for sure.
Hydra is awesome for destroying AT. Yay Hydra :)
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Grunp Trek
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Grunp Trek on 20/06/2011 14:37:18
Originally by: voiddragon Why don't you go read the post by Duncan? He even admitted that they decided on creating multiple teams in the tournament to boost the number of people who practised with them on the test server and even talked about how PL could be fielding 3 teams.
I read it. It pretty much says that Outbreak wanted to fly in the AT by themselves, as allies to Hydra Reloaded (if you check corp histories you see that Duncan spent quite a lot of time together, and that a few Genos and Outbreak members share time in other corps together) which makes perfect sense. Genos say they left PL because they wanted to fly under their own strength, Outbreak did as well. Practice participation shot up amongst friends.
That doesn't mean that the people were the same, that they have the same experience in EVE, that they have the same FC. It's not a 'proxy team' it's good friends.
Quote: The fact is, everyone tries to argue that they fought hard for their position in that tournament, but with 2 teams on the field they fought half as hard as a regular participant.
How do you figure that? Neither of them really got a "free" fight until the final. Had they been in the same grouping, one could have surrendered to the other and let them advance through to the final a lot easier? Instead, what you see is two teams competing on opposite ends of the ladder, meeting eachother in the final, and each of them not wanting to spoil the victory for the other.
The fact that two teams which were friends got to the finals together doesn't mean they "cheated". They still had to kill everyone on their side of the ladder, the same as anyone else. I know people joke about EVE players being autistic emotionless ******s alot, but you people really have no empathy.
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Woodman2
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:26:00 -
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I see the word metagaming tossed around a lot so I looked it up. One of the definitions is to watch your opponent, learn his strengths and weaknesses and then counter the strengths and play against the weaknesses. That is done now in every single sport on the planet.
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Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon
The fact is, everyone tries to argue that they fought hard for their position in that tournament, but with 2 teams on the field they fought half as hard as a regular participant.
Yet still got both teams to the final.
Trolls and Tribulations: Musings of a Spaceship Politician |
Electra GaafCramo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:38:00 -
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I aggree with OP that kil2 should be banned (from commentating). He did a lousy job to say the least, and he DID take part in the trolling in the last match. That trolling of the entire EVE community, is IMO enough to never invite him again to another tourney.
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Randomize All
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Electra GaafCramo I aggree with OP that kil2 should be banned (from commentating). He did a lousy job to say the least, and he DID take part in the trolling in the last match. That trolling of the entire EVE community, is IMO enough to never invite him again to another tourney.
The word trolling appeared in your post twice, perhaps trolling is on your mind.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 22/06/2011 16:25:34 You explained *how* it can be done, but you failed to explain *why* it should be done.
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Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 22/06/2011 16:25:34 You explained *how* it can be done, but you failed to explain *why* it should be done.
Are you looking for something more sophisticated than TO WIN?
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