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Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.06.20 11:07:00 - [1] But what are they actually doing ? They've made no meaningful communication with the wider player base, shockingly less than we are accustomed to from even CCP. All the recent initiatives to make CCP rethink stuff has been grass roots on the forums by rank and file players, API, Micro Transaction, etc. So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are. What are they good for?
Extreme Eye of God Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.06.20 11:54:00 - [2] Edited by: Extreme on 20/06/2011 11:57:45 The CSM-6 members are enforcing a new concept on how to execute their council of stellar management and doing so it can be said that their ways are in all fairness controversial... ...but they have the right to do so! We can't judge on their work and efforts yet and until then it's just to sit and wait. /Extreme, CSM-2 . .
White Tree	Posted - 2011.06.20 12:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Zelda Wei But what are they actually doing ? They've made no meaningful communication with the wider player base, shockingly less than we are accustomed to from even CCP. CSM6's internal communication methods are more organized than any iteration of the CSM before it. Post-Summit the CSM is always knee-deep in minute-work. Sorting, filing and checking the summit minutes and prepping them for release to the public. Given the number of things we covered and the depth at which we covered them, the minutes are taking a little longer than expected, so we're sorry about that. The CSM are not impossible to reach. Hell, if you mail me in-game I'll respond to you. If anyone mails me in-game I'll respond to them. A lot of people are standing around going 'WHY ISNT THE CSM COMMUNICATING WITH US?' and we're standing here going: Hey! hey! We're right here! Hello? Can you hear us? Hello~~? Originally by: Zelda Wei All the recent initiatives to make CCP rethink stuff has been grass roots on the forums by rank and file players, API, Micro Transaction, etc. I don't know what you mean by this. Originally by: Zelda Wei So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are. Ok, well, I don't know of any instances where we've basically sat in our 'secret alliance channels' and patted eachother on the back about how we wined and dined on CCP's dollar. But I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Iceland wasn't cool. I know a lot of people on this board seem to literally hate fun but I'm going to be a rebel and strike out against non-fun-havers and have fun whenever possible. Originally by: Zelda Wei What are they good for? So this is a good question. We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. We've propped up Time Dilation which is now going to become a feature in the game. We've gotten a DEDICATED ship balancer (CCP Tallest) assigned to the game, something EVE has never had. Despite what you might have heard the first summit of CSM6 was extremely productive. _______________________________________
Aisha Ravenwood	Posted - 2011.06.20 13:18:00 - [4] still shouldnt take 2+ months to get notes out though should it?
White Tree	Posted - 2011.06.20 15:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood still shouldnt take 2+ months to get notes out though should it? There's a lot of notes, and both the CSM and CCP have been busy. The production of the summit minutes is not just a CSM task, CCP also has to review and sign off on the minutes. Don't worry, we should have them out soon. We're more or less done with the drafts and CCP is checking them now. _______________________________________
roq deelim	Posted - 2011.06.20 16:46:00 - [6] Quote: The CSM are not impossible to reach. Hell, if you mail me in-game I'll respond to you. If anyone mails me in-game I'll respond to them. A lot of people are standing around going 'WHY ISNT THE CSM COMMUNICATING WITH US?' and we're standing here going: Hey! hey! We're right here! Hello? Can you hear us? Hello~~? srsly??! you certainly don't want all the players to send you eve-mails asking the same questions over and over agin, do you? YOU guys were elected to represent US. YOU are the one with information now. so i really hope the minutes will be released really soon - and that they'll be worth waiting...
Kalle Demos Amarr Helix Protocol	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:40:00 - [7] CCP dont listen to the NC / ex-NC CSM anyway, if you look at their future planned changes you will see that they are opposite to Mittani's grand vision, in fact the second the NC / ex-NC CSM got power CCP changed 0.0 that directly affected them. It was kind of CCP's way of slapping Mittani across the face. It is like winning miss USA, you may have a crown on your head but dont think it means anything you will still be the girl who thought Europe was a country. . LETS POST ON CAOD GANG!
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.21 15:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Kalle Demos CCP dont listen to the NC / ex-NC CSM anyway, if you look at their future planned changes you will see that they are opposite to Mittani's grand vision, in fact the second the NC / ex-NC CSM got power CCP changed 0.0 that directly affected them. Please elaborate; I'm sure you have references to support your hypothesis? Also, what "future planned changes" are opposite to "Mittani's grand vision"?
SkinSin	Posted - 2011.06.21 19:17:00 - [9] Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it. Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much! I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:13:00 - [10] Originally by: SkinSin Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it. Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much! I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored. There's an official recording of them available.

Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:16:00 - [11] Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. There was more than just the one time? I was under the impression you only did one of each. I must have missed the other ones. Someone please link me the other fireside chats and spot lights. Thanks in advance.
SkinSin	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: SkinSin Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it. Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much! I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored. There's an official recording of them available. Unless you've missed it. I'm deaf! I can't hear the official recording!!
SkinSin	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:34:00 - [13] Edited by: SkinSin on 25/06/2011 10:39:04 Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: SkinSin Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it. Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much! I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored. There's an official recording of them available. In case you've missed it, I'm deaf! I can't hear the official recording!! edit: WTF is going on with that? I pressed Edit, not quote!
Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Habaticus on 25/06/2011 11:02:07 The lack of information and communication with the CSM is criminal. Unless you know the secret handshake, lurk in certain blogs, or run with the in-crowd it's deathly silence. Once in awhile I find a link to a website one of them posted on for their readers update, yet the community hears nothing. Each of CSM's should visit Jita Park 2 or 3 times a week to keep us updated on your discussions or at least say hi. You act like your a bunch of elitist sh*theads.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:01:00 - [15] Originally by: SkinSin Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: SkinSin Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it. Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much! I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored. There's an official recording of them available. Unless you've missed it. I'm deaf! I can't hear the official recording!! Yes, I missed it û you only mentioned that you can't listen to the fireside chats, not that you can't listen to recordings in general.
SkinSin	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Yes, I missed it û you only mentioned that you can't listen to the fireside chats, not that you can't listen to recordings in general. Sorry, I mentioned it in the Fireside chat thread and presumed you'd read it.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 25/06/2011 21:51:07 Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: SkinSin Originally by: White Tree We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions. Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it. Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much! I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored. There's an official recording of them available. An the utility of a recording for people that isn't so fluent in spoke English is? There is a reason why people ask for written reports. The CSM can like oral discussions but the usefulness of them for a multilingual audience is small.
Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.06.26 11:28:00 - [18] The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management.
Shootin' Star The Fancy Hats Corporation Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Zelda Wei The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management. FAIL Had you been keeping up at all with forum postings, blogs and etc (i.e. many multiple forms of communication), it would be abundantly clear that the CSM is engaged on these issues, and in a way that thoroughly indicates they agree with and publicly espouse the viewpoint of the community which elected them. That CCP are not listening - or have not been, previously; we shall have to see what may come, as supposedly will be - cannot and should not be laid at their doorstep. ---------------- Star TANSTAAFL!
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Shootin' Star Originally by: Zelda Wei The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management. FAIL Had you been keeping up at all with forum postings, blogs and etc (i.e. many multiple forms of communication), it would be abundantly clear that the CSM is engaged on these issues, and in a way that thoroughly indicates they agree with and publicly espouse the viewpoint of the community which elected them. That CCP are not listening - or have not been, previously; we shall have to see what may come, as supposedly will be - cannot and should not be laid at their doorstep. Troll: 1 Regular poster: 0

Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Shootin' Star Originally by: Zelda Wei The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management. FAIL Had you been keeping up at all with forum postings, blogs and etc (i.e. many multiple forms of communication), it would be abundantly clear that the CSM is engaged on these issues, and in a way that thoroughly indicates they agree with and publicly espouse the viewpoint of the community which elected them. That CCP are not listening - or have not been, previously; we shall have to see what may come, as supposedly will be - cannot and should not be laid at their doorstep. Post proof or it didn't happen.
Shootin' Star The Fancy Hats Corporation Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:06:00 - [22] Edited by: Shootin'' Star on 27/06/2011 13:06:43 Originally by: Adrian Idaho Troll: 1 Regular poster: 0 shrug Perhaps. It's been known to happen. Originally by: Zelda Wei Originally by: Shootin' Star Originally by: Zelda Wei The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management. FAIL Post proof or it didn't happen. Nope. I don't make a habit of rewarding laziness. Troll confirmed; now applying the "jackass" principle. ---------------- Star TANSTAAFL!
Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Shootin' Star Troll confirmed; now applying the "jackass" principle. CSM Alt troll confirmed, which underlines the fact there is no evidence. The CSM have made no official response here or elsewhere. They've undertaken precious little engagement with players they were elected by. They made more posts here in the one week before the election than they did in the three months since.
diaufop	Posted - 2011.06.28 05:34:00 - [24] Edited by: diaufop on 28/06/2011 05:35:59 Originally by: Zelda Wei They've undertaken precious little engagement with players they were elected by. They made more posts here in the one week before the election than they did in the three months since. No different to any other politician. I often wonder why people even bother voting for these CSMs tbh, no-one can actually point to anything any of the past 5 CSMs have "achieved" that CCP weren't going to do anyway.
Harkonen Xaves	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:58:00 - [25] Edited by: Harkonen Xaves on 28/06/2011 12:58:46 I have zero confidence in the CSM. They are paper tigers at best, CCP yes wo/men at worst. All of the CSM should resign but dang it those free holidays to iceland sure are nice, huh?
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Harkonen Xaves Edited by: Harkonen Xaves on 28/06/2011 12:58:46 I have zero confidence in the CSM. They are paper tigers at best, CCP yes wo/men at worst. All of the CSM should resign but dang it those free holidays to iceland sure are nice, huh? Oh yeah, getting 4 days notice to fly to Iceland for a couple of days is sweet. I don't really understand the "you should all resign" thing. What do you think that would accomplish? Right now, one of the biggest problems is that CCP just plain doesn't understand why you are upset. The only way that will change is by people talking to them. That is why we are going. CCP blew the name Exodus on the wrong expansion. Two step for CSM6 - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Zelda Wei So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are. The ****? I don't even eat seafood.
Extreme Eye of God Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:08:00 - [28] Originally by: diaufop Edited by: diaufop on 28/06/2011 05:35:59 Originally by: Zelda Wei zip. No different to any other politician. I often wonder why people even bother voting for these CSMs tbh, no-one can actually point to anything any of the past 5 CSMs have "achieved" that CCP weren't going to do anyway. "We", CSM-2 changed sovereignty for example . .
Leeroy McJenkins GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.29 19:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Zelda Wei So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are. The **? I don't even eat seafood. Looks like Zelda is full of s* then Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.29 21:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Zelda Wei So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are. The **? I don't even eat seafood. You should it's pretty good. Anyway, ignore these idiots. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that being on the CSM is no joyride. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always** to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.



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