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nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.09.22 19:23:00 -
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Byron Squared wrote:Really? No comment about the proposed heavy missile nerf? Wouldn't think that this is the right time for anyone to be buying a new tengu/training for it........ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15502925% range nerf and 20% damage nerf........+ TD (from sansha etc) kill your range/ability to hit small targets.......
finally |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:59:00 -
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Dennis Gregs wrote:Just the fact that I have to 'worry' about frigates offputs me from Tengu in missions, I prefer to semi afk with my Raven tbh. It might be cool for a change of pace though, ymmv.
Switch from Rage to Precision. Fast frigates aren't an issue then. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
49
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Posted - 2012.09.22 22:01:00 -
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Byron Squared wrote:Really? No comment about the proposed heavy missile nerf? Wouldn't think that this is the right time for anyone to be buying a new tengu/training for it........ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15502925% range nerf and 20% damage nerf........+ TD (from sansha etc) kill your range/ability to hit small targets.......
The range nerf is manageable by pimping the fit a bit more. The damage nerf, however, is not. HAMs aren't really an option either since they're bad at killing frigates too. |
Barrak
Wormhole Engineers
Greater Realms
61
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Posted - 2012.09.22 23:10:00 -
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A Tengu for L4's is going to be good and bad(ish).
The nerf to range isn't going to be pleasant but is very manageable with good skills (range and subs).
Also.... the change to Pirate AI means they will start taking down drones and because a good mission Tengu fit shouldn't have drones, this won't be an issue, whereas for Battlies ships etc, you will start losing drones.
The issue you face is that I wouldn't fly one in the new missions without being at Subs 5. I also wouldn't pimp one without being at Subs 5.
So.... Subs 5 is my advice.
Regards |
Byron Squared
FCI Solvents
2
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Posted - 2012.09.23 00:40:00 -
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Barrak wrote:
Also.... the change to Pirate AI means they will start taking down drones and because a good mission Tengu fit shouldn't have drones, this won't be an issue, whereas for Battlies ships etc, you will start losing drones.
Regards
Some of the classic turret BS (read NM/Paladin) use drones very little - only for frigs that get in close - so won't be effected all that much. Besides, lights can get back pretty quickly if they aren't webbed and, if they are working on the webbing frigates, they won't be far away. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
543
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Posted - 2012.09.23 18:19:00 -
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Rainbow Room wrote:Hey,
I've been toying with flying a Tengu for level 4 missions. I'm currently sat in a Navy Raven but figured I'd quite like a change.
I've never flown a Tengu but I'm at the stage where all the subsystems are at level 4 and understand the concept that speed and movement is key for this ship.
Are lvl 4 subsystem skills good enough for the to do lvl 4 missions or should I train them all to level 5?
Thoughts?
My initial fit would be running with T2 everything (so t2 mid slots, t2 Heavy Assaults or t2 heavy missile and t2 low slots). Something like:
5 x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Target Painter II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
2 x T2 hardeners (npc specific)
10MN Afterburner
3 x Ballistic Control System II
Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.
Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
763
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Posted - 2012.09.25 12:08:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Anvil44 wrote:I run with Heavy Missle Launcher myself. I can hit out to about 115km or so and still put out over 500dps kinetic damage. Honestly, you should be able to get 500 non-kinetic DPS out of any mission Tengu, especially any high sec build. Hell, I get 500 non-kinetic on a low sec exploration build. A brief look says that 724 is a pretty good baseline for a well-skilled mission Tengu provided you're running in high sec.
I'd imagine thats 724 with implants as my tengu skills are perfect apart for HML Spes lvl 5 and I get 686dps with no implants.
It's mor elike perfect-skilled not well-skilled to get 724.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Rainbow Room
The 404
3
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Posted - 2012.09.25 13:40:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.
Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.
Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4.
I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR.
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Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
764
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Posted - 2012.09.25 13:55:00 -
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Rainbow Room wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.
Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.
Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4. I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR.
Still be feasible just a bit slower.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:46:00 -
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Rainbow Room wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.
Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.
Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4. I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR.
t2 missle dmg shouldnt change to much if your using furrys on the tengu and ai will not change if you solo missions the only people affected by the new ai is groups and multiple account runners. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:47:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Anvil44 wrote:I run with Heavy Missle Launcher myself. I can hit out to about 115km or so and still put out over 500dps kinetic damage. Honestly, you should be able to get 500 non-kinetic DPS out of any mission Tengu, especially any high sec build. Hell, I get 500 non-kinetic on a low sec exploration build. A brief look says that 724 is a pretty good baseline for a well-skilled mission Tengu provided you're running in high sec. I'd imagine thats 724 with implants as my tengu skills are perfect apart for HML Spes lvl 5 and I get 686dps with no implants. It's mor elike perfect-skilled not well-skilled to get 724.
currently im pulling 760 dps out of my tengu with implants and heavy missle spec being 4 |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:50:00 -
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Barrak wrote:A Tengu for L4's is going to be good and bad(ish).
The nerf to range isn't going to be pleasant but is very manageable with good skills (range and subs).
Also.... the change to Pirate AI means they will start taking down drones and because a good mission Tengu fit shouldn't have drones, this won't be an issue, whereas for Battlies ships etc, you will start losing drones.
The issue you face is that I wouldn't fly one in the new missions without being at Subs 5. I also wouldn't pimp one without being at Subs 5.
So.... Subs 5 is my advice.
Regards
only need sub 5 for offensive and defensive |
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:46:00 -
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serras bang wrote:Rainbow Room wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.
Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.
Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4. I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR. t2 missle dmg shouldnt change to much if your using furrys on the tengu and ai will not change if you solo missions the only people affected by the new ai is groups and multiple account runners.
And drone users. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 20:35:00 -
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Risien Drogonne wrote:serras bang wrote:Rainbow Room wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Tengu is OK for l4's. With your current skills what is the DPS and what is the tank? I guess since you're running AB tank doesn't have to be that good, but if the dps is > 500 it could cause a problem.
Tengus are great for the "rushing" missions that you do for just LP.
Not too sure to be honest, I need to run it through EFT. I'd image the DPS would be quite high as pretty much all missile skills are at lvl 5 and the specialist (i.e. t2 related ones) are at lvl 4. I'm still in two minds about this to be honest. With the upcoming changes to heavies and the changes to AI I wonder how feasible the Tengu will be for Lvl4's or if it's just worth sticking with the CNR. t2 missle dmg shouldnt change to much if your using furrys on the tengu and ai will not change if you solo missions the only people affected by the new ai is groups and multiple account runners. And drone users.
apparantly not so much by what ive heard so far maybe lose more drones than normal but nothing to shout about. |
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