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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:52:00 -
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You download the software from that site and run EVE through what you download. At that point it will provide a series of options to what you wish to disable/emulate. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Alucard Shadows
Mystic Legion Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:55:00 -
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3D-Analyze 2.36
The idea is once the program is installed you can emulate the effects of having a SM3 card but its not going to plan
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Dante6
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle You download the software from that site and run EVE through what you download. At that point it will provide a series of options to what you wish to disable/emulate.
Okay please forgive me i know im getting annoying put you mention downloading software? you meaning drivers or the catalyist control system? Again i do apologize for being annoying
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 -
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From the links provided there should be place to download software called 3D-Analyze. You download and run this software. It then allows you to run EVE online through it. It contains a series of options to emulate/disable features that would be necessary to run EVE (and other programs) on incompatible hardware. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Alucard Shadows
Mystic Legion Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dante6
Originally by: Lork Niffle You download the software from that site and run EVE through what you download. At that point it will provide a series of options to what you wish to disable/emulate.
Okay please forgive me i know im getting annoying put you mention downloading software? you meaning drivers or the catalyist control system? Again i do apologize for being annoying
np, The link on the other page takes you to the 3D-Analyze 2.36 download page, the first white link in the middle blow the babylon add
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TehRoot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:06:00 -
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I'm actually quite sure you can disable 3D CQ in the graphics options. Says Load Station Environment in the Right hand column of the video settings in the client.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:08:00 -
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The game still makes Shader Model 3.0 function calls, this means even with CQ off the game cannot run on old hardware. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
vlad0821 Artwik
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alucard Shadows Good old Intel 945GM integrated has done me faithful for 5 years and I really dont have the cash to shell out of a new machine
im really ****ed, i payed for my two accounts yesterday, never thought the patch wasnt gonna work for me :-/. do someone know if i can petition my money back?
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TehRoot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:09:00 -
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Ah, well I remember in the devblog where they reenabled sub 3.0 cards, they said when Incarna is released in June, that they would cease support for non 3.0 compliant cards.
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Dante6
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alucard Shadows
Originally by: Dante6
Originally by: Lork Niffle You download the software from that site and run EVE through what you download. At that point it will provide a series of options to what you wish to disable/emulate.
Okay please forgive me i know im getting annoying put you mention downloading software? you meaning drivers or the catalyist control system? Again i do apologize for being annoying
np, The link on the other page takes you to the 3D-Analyze 2.36 download page, the first white link in the middle blow the babylon add
Ok got it now on select i try to put eve in but it doesnt take?
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Alucard Shadows
Mystic Legion Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dante6
Originally by: Alucard Shadows
Originally by: Dante6
Originally by: Lork Niffle You download the software from that site and run EVE through what you download. At that point it will provide a series of options to what you wish to disable/emulate.
Okay please forgive me i know im getting annoying put you mention downloading software? you meaning drivers or the catalyist control system? Again i do apologize for being annoying
np, The link on the other page takes you to the 3D-Analyze 2.36 download page, the first white link in the middle blow the babylon add
Ok got it now on select i try to put eve in but it doesnt take?
Im pretty sure that "emulate pixel shader caps" needs to be ticked but not sure on what else Thats in the middle row in the hardware limits part
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Dueo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:31:00 -
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Yea, I could go out and buy a new laptop that would last me for about six years. Fortunately for me I have another downstairs,a bit inconvenienced. Downloading a couple gigs isn't anything less than "freggin annoying". I should be grateful. What about the people that can not afford a new box or motherboard. Ccp the economy has been in the dumps for the last few years. Certainly you guys cant expect people to just up and buy a new system because you want to enforce change. Regards, -Dueo-
On another note a lot of players use laptops. You can't install a new graphics card without replacing the motherboard but you guys knew that. After all this is going so smoothly.
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Alucard Shadows
Mystic Legion Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 -
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Yup having a ball, have tried running ShaderMark v2.1 aswell, but I fall a little short of that working here
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Dueo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: vlad0821 Artwik
Originally by: Alucard Shadows Good old Intel 945GM integrated has done me faithful for 5 years and I really dont have the cash to shell out of a new machine
im really ****ed, i payed for my two accounts yesterday, never thought the patch wasnt gonna work for me :-/. do someone know if i can petition my money back?
**Highly Unlikely** You could always request for the depreciated value of the items bought. However three things have to be present in order for this to work. 1. You have to be a minor. 2. you have to have been paying for eve time via gtc cards. (The actual physical plastic game cards not a credit card) 3. eve would have to have some sort of advertisement in your country.
In the United States, By this means you could argue that there is no such thing as contracts between companies and minors for non-necessities. You could also hold jurisdiction over ccp because any company that chooses to do business "Advertisements/Game cards" in a foreign country are required by law to comply with that countries laws. (Probably why ccp doesn't sell gtc's in the US) Another wards the civil dispute would take place at your local court house. Oh and there would also have to be a few things missing in their terms of service.
**Highly unlikely**
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vlad0821 Artwik
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dueo
Originally by: vlad0821 Artwik
Originally by: Alucard Shadows Good old Intel 945GM integrated has done me faithful for 5 years and I really dont have the cash to shell out of a new machine
im really ****ed, i payed for my two accounts yesterday, never thought the patch wasnt gonna work for me :-/. do someone know if i can petition my money back?
**Highly Unlikely** You could always request for the depreciated value of the items bought. However three things have to be present in order for this to work. 1. You have to be a minor. 2. you have to have been paying for eve time via gtc cards. (The actual physical plastic game cards not a credit card) 3. eve would have to have some sort of advertisement in your country.
In the United States, By this means you could argue that there is no such thing as contracts between companies and minors for non-necessities. You could also hold jurisdiction over ccp because any company that chooses to do business "Advertisements/Game cards" in a foreign country are required by law to comply with that countries laws. (Probably why ccp doesn't sell gtc's in the US) Another wards the civil dispute would take place at your local court house. Oh and there would also have to be a few things missing in their terms of service.
**Highly unlikely**
Im not a minor, what i bought was the add game time for a moth for my main and my alt, i havent used a minute of that time becouse i still had time from my last month. Im downloading the patch atm to see if it works on my laptop, if not im gonna petition my money. What i dont understand is why they tried to fixed what is not broken. I shurle could go out and bought a new graphic card, but i dont feel like doing it just to play a game. It was working fine, really fine yesterday, im just a casual player that liked the game, i didnt readed the patch specifications (whel i saw the basis on youtube and thought damn this is kind of stupid addition) i didnt even know what kind of shadows my computer had, i use it for work and to play casual games, nothing more. thats why im ****ed.
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Dante6
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alucard Shadows Yup having a ball, have tried running ShaderMark v2.1 aswell, but I fall a little short of that working here
Having no luck here on my end im guessing there isnt a walkaround for this from the looks of it without spending money an upgrading sadly
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Firelli02
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:51:00 -
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Same here sitting behind a notebook aswell. And now its calling out that my shader isnt up to date. in short cant play eve aswell.
Any way looks like can start to buy new comp aswell
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Dante6
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Firelli02 Same here sitting behind a notebook aswell. And now its calling out that my shader isnt up to date. in short cant play eve aswell.
Any way looks like can start to buy new comp aswell
I hear you there im doing the same thing trying to price a laptop that can run eve lol not an easy task atm
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Firelli02
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:03:00 -
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this is just crap.
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lerath darkness
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:06:00 -
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I'd like to point out that I started playing 2 weeks or so ago, recently paid for the activation. There is no way (other than going back and reading every freaking news post for the last 8 months) that I could have known that such a huge change was taking place. I am one of those who plays on a laptop (945gma), but I also have a desktop, but the desktop is shared and I can rarely get on it. If they had posted on the system requirements page that I would not have been able to play a week after I paid for it, I would never have started.
On the topic of software emulation, 3danalyze was made for shader model 2.0 emulation and workaround, not 3. Chances of it working are slim to none, and as for any other software option, generally a machine that has an integrated shader 2.0 card wont have enough processing power to emulate 3.0 in any case, it would require a 2.5 or 3.0ghz dual core processor to successfully emulate shader 3 and play the game at the same time. I dont know about you guys, but running a 1.6 dual core, I dont think that will be an option.
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Kasadyn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:17:00 -
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GM Retrofire Sent - 6/22/2011 4:05:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi.
IĈm afraid that if your hardware does not support shader model 3, then you will no longer be able to play EVE without upgrading to hardware that supports shader model 3.
This change was first announced to our players in October of 2010 via our DEV Blog linked below. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=800
We also announced in March of this year that Shader Model 2 would no longer be supported after the 5th of April, via our DEV Blog linked below. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=882
While we understand that this change may prevent customers with much older machines from playing EVE. It was not possible for us to support this aging hardware with the launch of Incarna.
With this in mind, we respect the fact that our customers may wish to either pause their remaining days of game play, or to cancel and refund any outstanding game time. Until such time as they are able to upgrade their hardware and choose to return. Therefore if you wish for us to perform such actions on your account then please respond to this petition stating which action you would like us to take.
We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience that this issue may have caused.
Regards, Senior GM Retrofire EVE Online Customer Support Team ----------------------------------------------------------
OMG ... My EVE play.... END
Good Bye guys
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vlad0821 Artwik
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: lerath darkness I'd like to point out that I started playing 2 weeks or so ago, recently paid for the activation. There is no way (other than going back and reading every freaking news post for the last 8 months) that I could have known that such a huge change was taking place. I am one of those who plays on a laptop (945gma), but I also have a desktop, but the desktop is shared and I can rarely get on it. If they had posted on the system requirements page that I would not have been able to play a week after I paid for it, I would never have started.
On the topic of software emulation, 3danalyze was made for shader model 2.0 emulation and workaround, not 3. Chances of it working are slim to none, and as for any other software option, generally a machine that has an integrated shader 2.0 card wont have enough processing power to emulate 3.0 in any case, it would require a 2.5 or 3.0ghz dual core processor to successfully emulate shader 3 and play the game at the same time. I dont know about you guys, but running a 1.6 dual core, I dont think that will be an option.
:-/ i was lucky becouse i was able to run the game on my laptop, however i dont like to play in it (to small and sometimes it lags mor then the descktop) will give it a try this month and if not i will have to say good bye eve. Its a shame that lots of people (around 9000 said CCP) will lose the ability to play a game that was working fine yesterday. The problem is increased becouse the game doesnt add innovative features.
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Obsidius Istaphyr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:32:00 -
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I am not beating down on any of you, but this was infact stated long before. and the fact of the matter is... is that an 7-8 year old GFX card has shader 3.0. Incarna was the stepping stone to their open walkaround station, interacting with players. and their first steps to overhauling the graphics in the game to increase them to 2 generations ago, 7 years. instead of 10-15 years ago. Implementing these new additions, or even the fact of increasing the graphics requires alot of work. and if they were to include SM2.0 that would of decreased the overall performance of the game for other players, and double the workload on the people creating such content.
a 5 year old laptop or computer is insanely cheap even in our economy. im talking a $30-50 for a GOOD video card. or a couple hundred for a new laptop if that. and to a previous post, there are a bunch of laptops with interchangeable graphics cards. I recommend not buying the overpriced brand laptops, its a marketing scheme for their poor performance and live-time(before they break or to buy a new one).
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Thom Baron
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Thom Baron on 22/06/2011 08:45:04 I wish they'd just allow us to disable shading/ other graphical features altogether, hell - an entirely text-based eve client wouldn't cause any issue to gameplay since all position/distance/velocity is relative to that which you are targeting/being targeted by.
BTW obsidius... fixed graphic card laptops.. if they didn't live along time, none of us would be running intel 945/950s!! my lappy has survived multiple headon assaults with nary a harddrive failure newish pvp pilot looking for a corp! (9m SP) |
leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: lerath darkness I'd like to point out that I started playing 2 weeks or so ago, recently paid for the activation. There is no way (other than going back and reading every freaking news post for the last 8 months) that I could have known that such a huge change was taking place. I am one of those who plays on a laptop (945gma), but I also have a desktop, but the desktop is shared and I can rarely get on it. If they had posted on the system requirements page that I would not have been able to play a week after I paid for it, I would never have started.
I feel the same my 14 day trial runs out tomorrow but all ready paid for a sub, all though i can run it on my laptop still it is very laggy and when in the CQ sounds like my laptop is about to take off. I dont feel like playing a game that may toast my pc, so if i knew this was going to happen i dont think i would of subbed. Thank good i have not put years of game play into eve then had this happen or to be told you can no longer run it, that would be a real pain in the ass
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:41:00 -
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Maybe it's all a clever ploy by CCP to keep Warcraft players off their game (since WoW can be run on a hamster wheel and a bit of electrical wire with the words "graphics card" written on it) \o/
Sorry, couldn't think of anything constructive.
*hides behind the sofa* -------------------------
"What if everything around you wasn't quite as it seemed? What if all the world you think you know is an elaborate dream?" |
Alucard Shadows
Mystic Legion Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Alucard Shadows on 22/06/2011 11:49:58 Found a much easyer program to use, called SwiftShader, I've just had a SM3 game running on a SM2 card, now it was pretty laggy FPS wise but it seems to do the trick, and yes theres a but to this, when it came round to applying it to eve, eve just hung, nothing-ness just a black screen, could just be my machine, could just be eve been fussy about another ddl to play with.
Pretty much the way it should work from what I read is that you drop it into the games dir and it emulates for you. It comes with both 32 (in the x84) and 64 bit dll's.
In theory you'd drop the dll into the
"D:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\bin"
Or which ever drive letter you have your game installed onto, if someone else could give it a try see if it is my machine been fussy or eve been fussy though
Originally by: Kagumichan Maybe it's all a clever ploy by CCP to keep Warcraft players off their game (since WoW can be run on a hamster wheel and a bit of electrical wire with the words "graphics card" written on it) \o/
Sorry, couldn't think of anything constructive.
*hides behind the sofa*
Maybe so, but what about those of us who cant stand WoW, screws us over big style
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:53:00 -
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I know, I was just being silly >.>'
That program you're trying may not work, remember Eve operates using Stackless Python coding, which is drastically different to what all other high-end games use. It keeps the game unique, and makes it harder to crack in terms of hacking. At the same time, probably makes emulating it near impossible. -------------------------
"What if everything around you wasn't quite as it seemed? What if all the world you think you know is an elaborate dream?" |
Brunmunde Hildegaard
Minmatar The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 -
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Guys, Shader Model 3.0 came out with the launch of the GeForce 8xxx series, like 4 years ago. If you're still trying to play modern games (or old games being modernized) on old hardware there are going to be issues. I personally play on hardware 6-7 years old and am not having problems at all, because I've tweaked my system specifically for this setup.
Here are some tips for nVidia card users:
In your nVidia Control Panel (assuming you're not using drivers newer than 260.99 because everything after that is buggy and unreliable) you'll see under Manage 3D Settings the following options which may help you get some more FPS if you're working with a single core processor or even a low end dual core.
Change prerendered frames to 0 (default 3) -- this tells the GPU to do all the prerendering instead of having your processor buffer those frames.
Make sure if you're only using one monitor & one gfx card that the setting Multi Display/Mixed GPU Acceleration is set to Single Display Performance Mode.
In many other dropdown boxes, setting the options for Performance over Quality could have desireable effects.
In the Set PhysX Configuration menu set the GPU to do all the work.
This stuff essentially takes load off the CPU which can help smooth frame rates some. Modern GPUs can do many more calculations much faster than a CPU can, even in the new i3/i5/i7 series. It could increase the heat buildup in your gfx card so if you already have heat issues be careful.
BE SURE TO CLEAN FAN PORTS AND FAN BLADES, AND PERIODICALLY REPLACE THERMAL PASTE ON GPU CORES AND PROCESSORS. Heat is the enemy of computer speed. The cooler everything remains the better your computer will work in gaming. Making sure your hard disk set for the windows pagefile actually has enough free space for said pagefile. Defragment often with a good 3rd party program since the windows defragmenter sucks. BlackViper's windows service list can be easily googled and has plenty of methods for tweaking your OS to be faster, BUT USE CARE FOR YOU CAN SERIOUSLY SCREW UP YOUR COMPUTER IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
If I think of anything else I'll post it.
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lerath darkness
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 -
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Hmm, putting swiftshader (the demo) in the bin folder worked... sortof... if you consider less than 1 fps working anyway...
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